3 boys sexually assault girl, get 30 days.

[Geosurface]

No. This kind of thing has been happening since humans first discovered alcohol. As with many traditionalists, you believe in a good ol days that never existed.
The only thing that's changed is that incidents like this used to be hush hush (ie send her to relatives in another town for 9 months) and now they're headlines. I for one prefer the latter.

Even assuming your argument though, why should such incidences be more common? Don't you believe that young boys should be properly raised to be gentlemen who wouldn't take advantage of a girl just because they can?
You and D-bag imply that the girl's choices indicate poor upbringing. What then, do the boys' choices indicate about their upbringing? Nothing good in my opinion. Rapists are the lowest form of scum.

So, zero per capita increase in incidents like this despite such environments (parties like I described) being more common? That's your theory?

As for boys, OF COURSE they should be raised not to do shit like this. They also should be raised not to drink at that age. If I ever had a son pull some shit like this, I'd make his life a living hell for it and make my disappointment abundantly clear.

And of course this incident says worse things about the boys' upbringings than hers.

But in real life, there will always be shitty kids and shitty parents, and one must plan accordingly.

Urging caution and recognizing reality are not the same as condoning.

 

[nehalem256]

Even assuming your argument though, why should such incidences be more common? Don't you believe that young boys should be properly raised to be gentlemen who wouldn't take advantage of a girl just because they can?
You and D-bag imply that the girl's choices indicate poor upbringing. What then, do the boys' choices indicate about their upbringing? Nothing good in my opinion. Rapists are the lowest form of scum.

Should we stop telling children not to get in a van with the creepy guy offering them candy? After all pedos should pedo.

And if the boys had really wanted to rape her. Why didn't they rape in her in away that would you know actually provide a man with sexual pleasure instead of finger her?

I was suggesting that perhaps, while drunk, they didn't view fingering her vagina as really any different than fingering her nose.

And why would they based on the sexual values prevalent in much of society. If the girl had decided to pull train with all the guys there how many people would get upset if the girl was "slut shamed" for doing so.

If having sex with all the guys there is socially acceptable how do you then turn around and consistently say that fingering her when she is passed out is some kind of unspeakable evil?

And how do you teach such contradictory morals to teens in a way they will actualize it when drunk? Especially since the fact they are drunk at such an age doesn't speak very highly of them.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender#Rape_of_males_by_females

"A study done by the CDC found that 1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported that they had been forced to penetrate someone else, usually a woman; had been the victim of an attempt to force penetration; or had been made to receive oral sex.[20]"

They missed a lot of categories. Here are a few sexual assault stuff woman can do on men:

forced to give oral sex, forced to suck the breasts, forced to grope the breasts, forced to rub the vagina (no penetration), psychological pressure (men often don't consider this as being forced), impregnation by way of deceit, etc.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So, zero per capita increase in incidents like this despite such environments (parties like I described) being more common? That's your theory?

As for boys, OF COURSE they should be raised not to do shit like this. They also should be raised not to drink at that age. If I ever had a son pull some shit like this, I'd make his life a living hell for it and make my disappointment abundantly clear.

And of course this incident says worse things about the boys' upbringings than hers.

But in real life, there will always be shitty kids and shitty parents, and one must plan accordingly.

Urging caution and recognizing reality are not the same as condoning.

You spent your teen years being a mod on some very popular boards, while your peers where doing what normal teens do.
You turned into a Communist until just recently, and now whatever this is
It didn't seem to work for you?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Did a rape even occur?

Could it be that nothing more than some teen boys writing some lewd words on a naked girl and taking a picture of it?

Could this possibly explain the leniency of the sentences?

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

 

[Victorian Gray]

Do you really not see a difference between rape and taking off a girls pants and writing lewd words on her?

Helps if you take the time to actually read the story.

First paragraph:

"Three teenage boys have admitted sexually assaulting a 15-year-old Northern California girl who later committed suicide after photographs of the attack were circulated to some classmates, according to published reports."

 

[Victorian Gray]

I actually agree these boys should be punished for that (though I admit I haven't read the article yet, just peoples' summary here of what happened) - but 30 days seems okay to me if there wasn't any evidence of sexual assault.

And I refuse to acknowledge the stripping alone as being sexual assault.

First paragraph:

"Three teenage boys have admitted sexually assaulting a 15-year-old Northern California girl who later committed suicide after photographs of the attack were circulated to some classmates, according to published reports."

 

[nehalem256]

Helps if you take the time to actually read the story.

First paragraph:

"Three teenage boys have admitted sexually assaulting a 15-year-old Northern California girl who later committed suicide after photographs of the attack were circulated to some classmates, according to published reports."

Sexual assault is basically a meaningless statement. Although if you read the rest of the thread you will find out it has mean established there was fingering, but no claims of actual intercourse.

 

[Geosurface]

You spent your teen years being a mod on some very popular boards, while your peers where doing what normal teens do.
You turned into a Communist until just recently, and now whatever this is
It didn't seem to work for you?

If you're going to catalog everything about myself I ever mention in passing in a creepy, petty, and childish quest to have an arsenal of shit to give me a hard time about, could you at least get your timeline right?

I did nothing of the sort in my teens, and while I did spend too much time on a computer in my later teens, I did plenty of normal teen things and plenty outdoors with my friends. Drinking is not a normal teen behavior or at least shouldn't be.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Please point out the evidence of rape?

"Three teenage boys have admitted sexually assaulting a 15-year-old Northern California girl who later committed suicide after photographs of the attack were circulated to some classmates, according to published reports."

 

[Vic]

So, zero per capita increase in incidents like this despite such environments (parties like I described) being more common? That's your theory?.

What I said is that the parties themselves are not more common.
What is becoming more common is the use of smartphones and social media to publicly humiliate and harass the victim after the crime, and that's what led her girl to suicide.

I don't disagree with anything else you said, although I do think you came across as an apologist. The outrage here is once again about the leniency of the sentence for these terrible crimes. By ignoring that and forcing your own social agenda into the discussion... let's just say it's not very empathetic towards the victim and her family.

 

[momeNt]

You spent your teen years being a mod on some very popular boards, while your peers where doing what normal teens do.
You turned into a Communist until just recently, and now whatever this is
It didn't seem to work for you?

He's a race and sex/gender realist....

 

[momeNt]

If having sex with all the guys there is socially acceptable how do you then turn around and consistently say that fingering her when she is passed out is some kind of unspeakable evil?

And how do you teach such contradictory morals to teens in a way they will actualize it when drunk? Especially since the fact they are drunk at such an age doesn't speak very highly of them.

I'd like to introduce you to our good friend volition.

 

[Vic]

Should we stop telling children not to get in a van with the creepy guy offering them candy? After all pedos should pedo.

And if the boys had really wanted to rape her. Why didn't they rape in her in away that would you know actually provide a man with sexual pleasure instead of finger her?

I was suggesting that perhaps, while drunk, they didn't view fingering her vagina as really any different than fingering her nose.

And why would they based on the sexual values prevalent in much of society. If the girl had decided to pull train with all the guys there how many people would get upset if the girl was "slut shamed" for doing so.

If having sex with all the guys there is socially acceptable how do you then turn around and consistently say that fingering her when she is passed out is some kind of unspeakable evil?

And how do you teach such contradictory morals to teens in a way they will actualize it when drunk? Especially since the fact they are drunk at such an age doesn't speak very highly of them.

I'm genuinely sorry for you that even your mommy laughed at your micropenis.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The problem is the word sexual assault is meaningless. Take for instance earlier in this thread where you were fine with using it to describe taking naked photos of her.

The question is what is she a victim of?

This:

"Sexual assault is a general term which covers a range of crimes, including rape. As defined under California law, rape is non-consensual sexual intercourse that involves the use of threat of force, violence, or immediate and unlawful bodily injury or threats of future retaliation and duress.

Sexual intercourse is considered non-consensual and, therefore, rape when the person is incapable of giving consent because s/he is incapacitated from alcohol and/or drugs, or if a mental disorder or developmental or physical disability renders the victim incapable of giving consent. Whether the accused is a stranger, acquaintance, spouse, or friend is irrelevant to the legal definition of rape (for the Penal Code definition of rape, see Appendix B).

Beside rape, other acts of sexual assault include forced anal intercourse, forced oral copulation, penetration of the anal or vaginal area with a foreign object, and forcibly touching an intimate part of another person. Men as well as women can be victims of these other forms of sexual assault (see Appendix B, Definition of Sex Crimes).Unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor (statutory rape) occurs when the victim is considered incapable of giving legal consent because they are 17 years old or less, even if the intercourse is consensual. Where the person engaging in sexual intercourse with a minor is not more than three years older than the minor, the crime is a misdemeanor. If more than three years older, then the crime is a felony.If a student, staff person, member of the faculty or other academic appointee is charged with rape, s/he can be prosecuted under California criminal statutes, as well as disciplined under appropriate discipline procedures. Even if the criminal justice authorities choose not to prosecute, the campus can pursue disciplinary action and the complainant can file a civil suit.In addition to rape, as defined by California law, the University will not tolerate any non-consensual penetration, however slight, or non-consensual fellatio or cunnilingus, and will take appropriate action when such acts are reported.

1. To be consensual, there must be ". . . positive cooperation" and "the person must act freely and voluntarily . . ." (See Penal Code, 261.6 for complete definition.

http://www2.ucsc.edu/title9-sh/whatissa.htm

 

[Orignal Earl]

If you're going to catalog everything about myself I ever mention in passing in a creepy, petty, and childish quest to have an arsenal of shit to give me a hard time about, could you at least get your timeline right?

I did nothing of the sort in my teens, and while I did spend too much time on a computer in my later teens, I did plenty of normal teen things and plenty outdoors with my friends. Drinking is not a normal teen behavior or at least shouldn't be.

I remember what I read, and your an interesting character
You said you were 15 and a mod on some very popular boards
Maybe your getting your stories mixed up

 

[nehalem256]

This:

"Sexual assault is a general term which covers a range of crimes, including rape.

So then it would seem you agree that the article using the term sexual assault does not mean a rape occurred. Thanks for agreeing with me

 

[Victorian Gray]

So according to you if someone takes off your pants while you are passed out and takes pictures of your junk that is no different than raping you in the ass?

That is complete nonsense.



Of course I do. I doubt it was the first time that a teenage girl killed herself because she was embarrassed.

But there is a drastic difference between embarrassing someone and raping them.

You really should stick to playing with your toasters. You'd probably get far more satisfaction from doing so.

 

[Geosurface]

I think it's safe to say that it is the attitude of many here that what they did was the worst possible thing that could ever happen and is life-ruining in its severity, is exactly why she killed herself.

While on the other hand, the seemingly harsher point of view others of us are conveying, where dangers and consequences are honestly acknowledged and accounted for, is the perspective which could have not only resulted in her being alive, but being unmolested too.

 

[nehalem256]

I don't disagree with anything else you said, although I do think you came across as an apologist. The outrage here is once again about the leniency of the sentence for these terrible crimes. By ignoring that and forcing your own social agenda into the discussion... let's just say it's not very empathetic towards the victim and her family.

Well put, maybe we should look at the real villains here. The liberal rape apologists in California that gave these boys such a lenient sentence

 

[Victorian Gray]

When you guys get the straw manning out of your system maybe you can acknowledge the actual arguments nehalem has made?

We're still waiting for him/her/it to actually make an argument. And I suspect that we'll be waiting a long time.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Well lets see

(1) If you make bad choices, bad things are more likely to happen to you. Maybe we should teach teenage girls to make good choices. You know like how we teach young children not to get into the van of the creepy guy offering them candy. Or is that supporting pedophile culture now?

(2) Why is there an inability to distinguish between rape and lesser forms of inappropriate sexual behavior?

(3) Why does the media write articles that distort what actually happened. Making what in truth is probably a girl getting so wasted she passes out seem like she had a few sips of beer and then took a nap.

And why do you present yourself as a horrid little creature who posts horrid little trolls in an online forum to try and outrage people?

 

[momeNt]

I think it's safe to say that it is the attitude of many here that what they did was the worst possible thing that could ever happen and is life-ruining in its severity, is exactly why she killed herself.

While on the other hand, the seemingly harsher point of view others of us are conveying, where dangers and consequences are honestly acknowledged and accounted for, is the perspective which could have not only resulted in her being alive, but being unmolested too.

That's actually a semi-fair point. Hormones are strong in boys that age, if she had any doubt as to the contents of her drink, she really should have known this was a possibility all along.

Punishing a male simply because they possess properly functioning hormones is cruel.

 

[Vic]

I think it's safe to say that it is the attitude of many here that what they did was the worst possible thing that could ever happen and is life-ruining in its severity, is exactly why she killed herself.

While on the other hand, the seemingly harsher point of view others of us are conveying, where dangers and consequences are honestly acknowledged and accounted for, is the perspective which could have not only resulted in her being alive, but being unmolested too.

Would'ves and could'ves don't pay the bills. People (especially teenage kids) make stupid decisions all the time and (idealism aside) it's very hard to stop them.

Here my ideal for how she could stayed unmolested and alive. Those boys could have not taken advantage of her.

 

[momeNt]

Would'ves and could'ves don't pay the bills. People (especially teenage kids) make stupid decisions all the time and (idealism aside) it's very hard to stop them.

Here my ideal for how she could stayed unmolested and alive. Those boys could have not taken advantage of her.

You're blaming those boys for a situation that she, acting alone, put herself in. Nobody made her drink the gatorade, or made her unconscious to the degree that she could not have woken up to stop them from assaulting her. She did it herself.

You're trying to blame the young lads, boys really, for all her mistakes? Get real her buddy.