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2011 F1 Season thread

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the real mystery is why did webber pit with hamilton? clearly, he should have stayed out for at least 1 more lap. there might be a good reason but it looks like a rookie mistake, which would be a shocker from red bull.

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radio chatter is of questionable value. hamilton's lap times were suffering and he should have pitted earlier, provided he was in the tire window
 
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It was nice to see Hamilton on good form again, but Vettel still dominated. I would be curious to see how those two compare in identical cars.
 
Do we know if Webber was called in or just followed Hamilton?

In any case, it was a mistake. Webber would likely have been long gone if he'd stayed out just one more lap.

It was also odd that Webber still couldn't pass Hamilton, despite having a faster car and using DRS.

DRS gave, and then DRS took away. Probably another flaw in the DRS system. If two cars are close in performance, you still can't pass, and even if you do manage to pass, DRS will just allow you to be re-passed.

It looks fun on TV, but I bet it's pretty frustrating.

Is F1 even contemplating doing anything about the incredible rubber buildup? You really can't even go off-line after a few laps with those soft tires. The track is just covered with marbles very quickly.
 
Am I the only one who thought that race was a bit boring? Kind of wish there would have been more action and Vettel would have had to work for the win, knew he was going to win from the outset unless he did something bone head (which he hasn't all season...).
 
LTC8K6 said:
Do we know if Webber was called in or just followed Hamilton?

In any case, it was a mistake. Webber would likely have been long gone if he'd stayed out just one more lap.

It was also odd that Webber still couldn't pass Hamilton, despite having a faster car and using DRS.

DRS gave, and then DRS took away. Probably another flaw in the DRS system. If two cars are close in performance, you still can't pass, and even if you do manage to pass, DRS will just allow you to be re-passed.

It looks fun on TV, but I bet it's pretty frustrating.

Is F1 even contemplating doing anything about the incredible rubber buildup? You really can't even go off-line after a few laps with those soft tires. The track is just covered with marbles very quickly.
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Korea seemed like the most noticeable for that. Even Monaco with its tight proximity still saw some passing. Marbles appeared to be the worst at Korea of the season and the areas to pass were actually quite small.

According to RBR, Webber was pulled in first and Hamilton followed they were attempting to pit first and get Mark to the end of the race on tires.

Arm chair me says RBR actually had a chance to win with Webber as he was already on the better tire in the prime. He was managing the same lap times on his worn primes as the option tire however possible the option had disintegrated a bit. Overall, Webber was driver of the day and I would look for him to continue to fair well the rest of the season and possibly get to #2 overall.

A lot of the conspiracy guys on F1 forum were talking about how if they didn't pit Webber he had a chance to catch Seb and all they needed was 1 and 3 to win constructors championship. Having Webber back on Hamilton slowed him down and let Seb get even farther ahead without having to worry about Webber attempting a pass on Seb later in the race as he was the faster car yesterday.

I think Webber is a good driver and it will be interesting to see how he progresses next year as he seems to be getting the tire wear down a bit and yesterday was actually a good start for him.

As for the DRS it was worthless in Korea, turns are too tight moving into the long straight and out of it. Anytime Mark or anyone else got ahead in the DRS zone they lost it in the corner as it was impossible to get back on the racing line. Like I said I thought Korea had a lot of hope as a race track, now I am not so sure...
 
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The Speed announcers said that they had not done anything to the track since last year. They closed the place up promptly at the end of last year's race, and it stayed shut up until right before this year's race. Teams found the same food in the refrigerators from last year. Things were exactly as they were left.
 
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The Speed announcers said that they had not done anything to the track since last year. They closed the place up promptly at the end of last year's race, and it stayed shut up until right before this year's race. Teams found the same food in the refrigerators from last year. Things were exactly as they were left.
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remember india's disastrous commonwealth games? i wouldn't be surprised if the f1 race had some of the same "magic".
 
Pretty pumped up for the Indian GP.

Mark Webber gives an overview of the circuit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7h5xH1lDLY

There is also Vettel's version.

^^ Commonwealth games were truly a disaster, but this F1 race is going to be different just based on the fact that the Indian Govt had nothing to do with it.. this is organized by a private entity.
 
http://twitter.com/#!/takiinoue

Reporting Kimi to Williams next year. From a driver standpoint next year looks to be the most competitive in history. Now if we could just get it from a car standpoint. Williams with some Middle Eastern money and Kimi at the wheel could move them from the midfield into the frontline.
 
New Jersey Grand Prix expected to be announced on Tuesday

Formula 1 is poised to confirm a second race in the USA.

The Wall Street Journal reports a press conference will be held on Tuesday is expected to announce plans for a race in New Jersey beginning in 2013.

This would be the second American round of the championship alongside the Austin Grand Prix, which will take place for the first time next year.

If the project comes to fruition it will realise Bernie Ecclestone’s long-held plans for a race in the New York area.
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😱
 
Good race but I still don't understand Webber/Red Bull's thinking on that pit stop. Personally I can't wait until the new engine rules go into effect. I expect next year to be much the same as this year with RB dominating. Hopefully that will bring some more competition. I really don't have any favorites and have enjoyed watching Vettle dominate going for records but would like to see some more fights for the race wins.
 
boomhower said:
Good race but I still don't understand Webber/Red Bull's thinking on that pit stop. Personally I can't wait until the new engine rules go into effect. I expect next year to be much the same as this year with RB dominating. Hopefully that will bring some more competition. I really don't have any favorites and have enjoyed watching Vettle dominate going for records but would like to see some more fights for the race wins.
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with some stability in the rules for 2011-2012, the pack will bunch up again
 
so much awesomeness (paging all the brown people):
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Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/10/28/hamilton-perez-grid-penalties/

Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez have been handed grid penalties for the Indian Grand Prix.

Both drivers will be relegated three places on the grid for Sunday’s race.

The stewards judged both had failed to slow sufficiently when passing double waved yellow flags at the end of the first practice session.

The explanation for the two drivers’ penalties differed slightly. The stewards said Perez, “ignored double waved yellow flags at turn 16 whilst a car was being recovered in close proximity to the track.”

Hamilton’s penalty was for, “ignoring double waved yellow flags at Turn 16 whilst marshalls were in close proximity to the track.”

Both were deemed to have broken appendix H, article 2.4.5.1(b) of the International Sporting Code. This says that under double waved yellow flags a driver must: “Reduce your speed significantly, do not overtake, and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track and/or marshals working on or beside the track.”
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Looked like another easy pole for Vettel.

Karun Chandhok looked really pissed that Lotus didn't let him drive in the first Indian GP. It sounds like they'd promised him he would get a chance.
 
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Hamilton and Massa hit each other...how odd.

Hamilton tries silly pass, Massa cuts over on him...
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they were both silly there. Massa was probably assuming Lewis would back off (which is silly considering it's lewis). If one was going to be given a penalty, the other should have too. They either both at fault or no one was at fault.

either way, a pretty boring race
 
It's a crying shame that we don't get to see Vettel race. I keep hoping they will screw up a pit stop, so Vettel will have to race some other drivers.

All we ever seem to see is a parade near the front.

They keep trying to create passing, but it really doesn't seem to change anything. It's still the same cars as before. Nothing has really changed.
 
Personally, I think Pirelli has been too conservative with their tire choices.

Also, I am pretty disappointed with the FIA's coverage of the race. There is no getting around the fact that the race was a snooze-fest, but they could not even cover the race properly.

I am also surprised that Alonso held on to 3rd place comfortably.. as Ferraris are not strong on the harder compounds.
 
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