2010 iPhone for VZW?

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Adam8281

Adam8281

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What an underwhelming Apple event. I was expecting to hear some iPhone + Verizon news
 
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Suspicious-Teach8788

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secretanchitman said:
lol i can actually vouch for that. my cousins live 5-10 minutes away from apples headquarters in cupertino, and i never ONCE had anything less than 5 bars of signal, along with zero dropped calls.

lol at&t would be eaten alive if they had problems at cupertino...
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Well I live in Cupertino. AT&T is not spectacular. It actually has pretty piss poor reception near the hills. I'm not talking IN the hills. I'm talking NEAR the hills. I grew up going to school at Monta Vista. There's only one phone company you can use if you expect to make a call near school, and it's Verizon. AT&T used to be marginal where I live (by the post office), but now it's a lot better.

I wouldn't say it kills Verizon though. I've never dropped calls there, but I've dropped calls plenty of times in the Bay Area.

Muadib said:
I agree.



Verizon is now the largest carrier in the US.

I'm with you 100% The only way I see an Apple phone coming to Verizon before the end of 2010 is if LTE is ready by then. Even then, Verizon has said that there will be no phones at first, only data plugs. Of course, that could all be a load of crap since they said we would see LTE last year.
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Like I said before, the rest of the world is still waiting on 4G. AT&T and many other GSM providers are going to upgrade HSPA to 14mbps or 21mbps or even faster. 3G has a long way to go and can fight. On the other hand EVDO-Rev A is limited to 3mbps and Verizon has to upgrade to 4G now or just get screwed.

Without the rest of the world adopting 4G this soon, you won't have a push for devices. You can already tell pretty much EVERY phone maker puts the US networks on a 2nd priority. Exception may be Apple and Moto. The GSM versions of the phones are 10x more important. You can see what HTC did with the Nexus One and the frequencies. The Droid may have come out in the US first, but no doubt you saw a GSM version in no time. With the US on a separate LTE frequency than the rest of the world, you will have companies having to make specialized US phones again. So will it be worth it to design a 4G phone already, or wait for the rest of the world and then throw in 900/2100 capabilities? So you might see a few phones here and there, but you won't have monsters that they plan to sell worldwide until later probably.

so while 4G is great on paper, it won't be till 2011 when you start seeing the first devices come out. And the US might not get all that great stuff till there's a real push for 4G devices.
 
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Guess today's event settles it: apple continues to love at&t.
maybe once the other US carriers actually operate on international standards (i.e. 3G that is also used outside the US), apple will switch from at&t ... until then it will stay with at&t which means they can use the same hardware worldwide.
 
Pliablemoose

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LOL, did you really expect Apple to publicly fuck one of it's partners?

Any mention of a future iPhone was conspicuously absent...

That said volumes....
 
boomhower

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I am not that surprised. If Apple does open to more carriers it will be with the next phone. January is to early to announce that. Later this Spring when it is time to announece the next phone the rumor mill will be in full force. Personally I can't wait to see what this does to AT&T's network with a few million ipads streaming youtube on the already stressed network.
 
Muadib

Muadib

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sswingle said:
Christ, are you that dense? We are talking about the iPhone, not the just announced iPad.
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You clearly thought Apple was going to screw over at&t! Well surprize, it ain't happening. If you want to talk about being dense, then look to those who think that every Apple announcement will involve Verizon. Look in the mirror!!:biggrin:
 
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Muadib said:
You clearly thought Apple was going to screw over at&t! Well surprize, it ain't happening. If you want to talk about being dense, then look to those who think that every Apple announcement will involve Verizon. Look in the mirror!!:biggrin:
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I never said Apple was going to "screw over AT&T". I never said this Apple announcement would involve Verizon.

What I DID say, is that Apple will have no need/desire to renew their exclusive contract with AT&T for the iPhone.
 
boomhower

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ChAoTiCpInOy said:
They will if they get some more revenue sharing.
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Depends on the amount. With the current situation of AT&T's reputation I don't think people are flocking to it as much and know of quite a few people who actually switched away. My understanding is right now they don't have any revenue sharing. The first year they did which is why the phone price wasn't subsidized. Then they redid the contract, stopped the revenue sharing and just get the price of the phone which is why AT&T started subsidizing them, they get all the money from the monthly fee. Of course I could be totally wrong. I bet they would get more money by selling it multiple carriers.
 
DivideBYZero

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Making a CDMA device at this point in the CMDA lifecycle would be pointless. By the time Apple launched it Verizon will be pimping 4G/LTE and it will be like the 1st gen iPhone all over again.

Not going to happen until Verizon are LTE. <--Answer.
 
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ChAoTiCpInOy

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Like I said, the only carrier that is feasible for Apple to bring the iPhone to is Tmobile. However it doesn't look like they want to go to Tmobile (not putting the 3g frequencies for Tmobile on the iPad).
 
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ChAoTiCpInOy said:
Like I said, the only carrier that is feasible for Apple to bring the iPhone to is Tmobile. However it doesn't look like they want to go to Tmobile (not putting the 3g frequencies for Tmobile on the iPad).
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Yes.
If only the US had dumped CDMA years ago ...
 
Pliablemoose

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Oh snap, Verizon's stock is going to get hammered, more analysts are cutting their ratings of Verizon based on the assumption they won't sell the iPhone.

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Muadib

Muadib

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MotF Bane said:
I'm hoping Moose is right. Nothing personal Muadib. :p
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:D You and countless millions, which is exactly why I don't see it happening anytime soon. Pliablemoose is right though, the fat lady hasn't started to warm up.

We should know more in a few weeks, after the mobile world congress is over on the 18th. If any LTE phones from the other major manufacturers get demoed during that show, then I'll start to sweat a bit.
 
Pliablemoose

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Rottie said:
who is the fat lady?
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Steve Balmer?

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