19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[SheHateMe]

I doubt Michigan has a castle law, or that it'd apply to your front porch. Or to a likely unarmed young woman. I'm quite confused as to what circumstances are present to get them to question arresting this man for killing her.

They submitted a request for a warrant and it was returned back to the police....

Police previously said they've identified the person who shot McBride and requested a warrant in the case. The Wayne County prosecutor's office said it sent the request back to police Wednesday for additional investigation before making a decision about whether to bring charges.

No other information on why the prosecutors office sent the warrant back.

 

[waggy]

from a first glance it sure looks like murder. well i guess not really murder though. I suspect the person was fearful and let fear control their actions. Sadly that cost a innocent young lady her life.

but can wait for the full information to come out.

 

[NoCreativity]

I doubt Michigan has a castle law, or that it'd apply to your front porch. Or to a likely unarmed young woman. I'm quite confused as to what circumstances are present to get them to question arresting this man for killing her.

Looks like clear cut Murder 2, but they aren't going to arrest him? I'd be knocking on that city demanding answers.

Michigan does have castle law.

The “Castle Doctrine” applies to the dwelling and
attached appurtenances, but not to outside property.

I think based on what has been released by police so far, shooter should be up for manslaughter.

 

[dank69]

Fact:


Not fact (i.e. speculation):


You may also want to check your ignorance.

What does that have to do with my post?

 

[NoCreativity]

What does that have to do with my post?

You are claiming that her cell phone was dead as being fact which is not necessarily true.

 

[Jaskalas]

Michigan does have castle law.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I think based on what has been released by police so far, shooter should be up for manslaughter.

Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun = manslaughter? = Unintentional killing? I don't think so, I firmly believe this is Murder 2.

 

[HumblePie]

Based on the media release information, it seems to be pretty clear cut case of murder. The fact she was knocking on doors 2 hours after the accident is irrelevant, unless there was actually an ulterior motive for her doing such. Something I doubt the homeowner shooting through his door at someone on his front porch who was walking away would be able to reasonably know if she had an actual ulterior motives in that circumstance.

Basically it's stupid to shoot someone through the front door like that.

 

[dank69]

You are claiming that her cell phone was dead as being fact which is not necessarily true.

It is in FACT listed in the OP. Nehalem didn't read that line and then assume the family was speculating. He either didn't read it or missed it.

 

[Zargon]

Thanks for clearing that up.



Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun = manslaughter? = Unintentional killing? I don't think so, I firmly believe this is Murder 2.

IN GENERAL
accident = manslaughter, intentional = murder

if you cant PROVE intent its manslaughter

this isnt that hard to understand

depending on MI's laws it would probably be involuntary or criminally negligent manslaughter based on the (giant lack of) facts currently available

 

[NoCreativity]

Thanks for clearing that up.



Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun = manslaughter? = Unintentional killing? I don't think so, I firmly believe this is Murder 2.

Good point. I'm not taking anything the family says at face value so I shouldn't take the shooters story at face value either (which is why I said man vs. murder since he claimed accident).

Also agree with Humble, stupid to shoot through the front door if that's what he did.

 

[Jaskalas]

IN GENERAL
accident = manslaughter, intentional = murder

if you cant PROVE intent its manslaughter

this isnt that hard to understand

depending on MI's laws it would probably be involuntary or criminally negligent manslaughter based on the (giant lack of) facts currently available

Pulling the trigger in someone's face isn't intent? That's a fascinating hurdle to overcome. I never appreciated it like that.

 

[nehalem256]

It is in FACT listed in the OP. Nehalem didn't read that line and then assume the family was speculating. He either didn't read it or missed it.

The family was speculating:

McBride's family believes she was going door-to-door looking for help after her car broke down and her cell phone was dead. She was shot as she was leaving the suspect's porch, according to Detroit Pastor W.J. Rideout

Of course also according to SheHateMe her car didnt "break down", it was crashed. Oh and according to the police she was shot in the face, which doesn't really fit with being shot while leaving.

They said she crashed into a parked car. It doesn't have to be a major accident for someone to get knocked out....even if its for a few seconds.

The car accident was mentioned, jerk. Someone posted a quote from the news article. Cops confirmed that she was involved in a collision with a parked car. Nobody said anything about a "traumatic" car accident.

Of course in this case we would seem to be talking about more more than a few seconds. And wouldn't have to be a pretty traumatic accident for the car to no longer be driveable and for her to be unconscious for hours?

And of course the big question would be what would she be doing for the 2 hours...

 

[nehalem256]

oops, DB errors caused double post

 

[Svnla]

I don't think you can shoot anyone that was on your porch/front area of the door or just knocked on your door.

Now if said person was in the process of knocking down the door or window, that would be totally different.

 

[SheHateMe]

Of course also according to SheHateMe her car didnt "break down", it was crashed. Oh and according to the police she was shot in the face, which doesn't really fit with being shot while leaving.

Are you still trolling? Who said her car broke down? The police said that her car was involved in a collision with another car.

I even linked to that statement and you are still in here trolling. What gives, man?

Of course in this case we would seem to be talking about more more than a few seconds.

No crap we are talking about more than a few seconds, I made that statement because you assume somebody would have to be in a traumatic accident before they could be unconscious for any given amount of time. I imagine crashing into a parked car (or a moving car) would build up enough momentum to send someone's head forward into the steering wheel or into the door window...that couldn't definitely knock someone out for a few seconds, minutes, or hours. It doesn't have to be "traumatic".

And wouldn't have to be a pretty traumatic accident for the car to no longer be driveable and for her to be unconscious for hours?

And of course the big question would be what would she be doing for the 2 hours...

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your first sentence.

We don't know what she was doing for the 2 hours, she COULD have been unconscious from the accident, or she could have been doing something else. The point is, we don't know...and you certainly aren't helping by trolling the thread.

 

[HomerJS]

IN GENERAL
accident = manslaughter, intentional = murder

if you cant PROVE intent its manslaughter

this isnt that hard to understand

depending on MI's laws it would probably be involuntary or criminally negligent manslaughter based on the (giant lack of) facts currently available

Lacking evidence of the girl trying to break in pointing the gun and shooting is intentional. He wasn't aiming to scare or wound. Argument would be premeditation. I doubt 1st degree but 2nd would be on the table.

No way accident can be claimed. Finger must have been on trigger.

 

[SheHateMe]

I was just about to ask our resident gun enthusiasts how it would be possible to accidentally discharge a shotgun at someone's head without already having the gun raised towards that area with their finger already on the trigger.

 

[Sheep221]

Do you realize how extreme it is to claim people shouldn't even be allowed to have a shotgun?

Btw, SheHateMe, I don't recall saying "probably" I was pointing out a way that he could have actually been correct about burglary.

It is extreme to claim they should have one, bro. That girl didn't do shit and she got killed, even if you do have some guns, it is utterly bad to welcome anyone who knocks on your door while being armed.

 

[nehalem256]

No crap we are talking about more than a few seconds, I made that statement because you assume somebody would have to be in a traumatic accident before they could be unconscious for any given amount of time. I imagine crashing into a parked car (or a moving car) would build up enough momentum to send someone's head forward into the steering wheel or into the door window...that couldn't definitely knock someone out for a few seconds, minutes, or hours. It doesn't have to be "traumatic".

If only cars came equipped with some kind of restraint system to prevent that?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your first sentence.

The car was clearly damaged to the point of being undriveable. Otherwise she would have driven home instead of wandering around Detroit in the middle of the night knocking on random people's doors.

Of course it is also bizarre that you would hit a parked car with enough force to significantly damage your car.

We don't know what she was doing for the 2 hours, she COULD have been unconscious from the accident, or she could have been doing something else. The point is, we don't know...and you certainly aren't helping by trolling the thread.

What else would you being doing for 2 hours after an accident?

 

[Zargon]

I was just about to ask our resident gun enthusiasts how it would be possible to accidentally discharge a shotgun at someone's head without already having the gun raised towards that area with their finger already on the trigger.

you do realise that you discharge a shotgun without aiming it purposefully right?

people are stupid, and SADLY accidental discharges happen fairly often, even to police officers

It is extreme to claim they should have one, bro. That girl didn't do shit and she got killed, even if you do have some guns, it is utterly bad to welcome anyone who knocks on your door while being armed.

its extrme to claim that anyone should have a firearm even though its a consitutional right? wow OK then. and its extreme to be armed when an unknown person is knocking at your door in the middle of the night?

you are extremely trusting

Pulling the trigger in someone's face isn't intent? That's a fascinating hurdle to overcome. I never appreciated it like that.

accidents happen. I teach firearm safety at a range and have a NRA certification for it.

the first thing most idiots/newbs/no nothings do when they pick up a gun is put their finger on the trigger, just to hold it

its a HUGE HUGE no no, but most people do it because they dont know any better.

I am not saying I beleive it was an accident, but people get shot in accidental discharges all the time, its perfectly feasbile that person had the gun pointed towards her an dfinger on the trigger with no intent to shoot, because thats what untrained gun owners tend to do

got spooked bumped flinched etc and BOOM gunshot no intent to shoot but it happened

yeah I call that an accident, even though its caused by ignorance


hell even trained people do it, police officers, nationally, on average, have more accidental discharges than CCW holders, per person, that are reported

 

[SheHateMe]

you do realise that you discharge a shotgun without aiming it purposefully right?

You don't say?

I was asking specifically about how believable it was that his discharged the shotgun towards her head by accident without the shotgun already being raised. To me, that shows intent.

If only cars came equipped with some kind of restraint system to prevent that?

Seatbelts are designed to keep you safe, yes....but you can still hit your head on something. You might not fly out of the car, but you can definitely hit your head.

The car was clearly damaged to the point of being undriveable. Otherwise she would have driven home instead of wandering around Detroit in the middle of the night knocking on random people's doors.

And how do you know how damaged the car was? You don't know why she left the scene of the accident. Nobody does.

Of course it is also bizarre that you would hit a parked car with enough force to significantly damage your car.

Is it really? How bizarre is it?

What else would you being doing for 2 hours after an accident?

Oh gee. Didn't I already say we don't know?

 

[Zargon]

If only cars came equipped with some kind of restraint system to prevent that?

airbags can knock you unconcious FWIW

The car was clearly damaged to the point of being undriveable. Otherwise she would have driven home instead of wandering around Detroit in the middle of the night knocking on random people's doors.

Of course it is also bizarre that you would hit a parked car with enough force to significantly damage your car.

newer cars are made to crumple, its pretty easy to damage a car to the point of it not being drivable if you contact something at the right spot.

maybe someone was parked hanging out into the street, with no lights etc and she clipped it and punctured a tire in the process?

What else would you being doing for 2 hours after an accident?

who knows, wandering around confused from head trauma? lost? trying to steal a new car? possiblities are endless

it never ceases to amaze me how small minded some people on here are, they make up their mind and just cant seem to imagine any other scenarios, I bet y'all were really fun to play with as kids with these booming imaginations you seem to have

 

[HomerJS]

you do realise that you discharge a shotgun without aiming it purposefully right?

people are stupid, and SADLY accidental discharges happen fairly often, even to police officers



its extrme to claim that anyone should have a firearm even though its a consitutional right? wow OK then. and its extreme to be armed when an unknown person is knocking at your door in the middle of the night?

you are extremely trusting



accidents happen. I teach firearm safety at a range and have a NRA certification for it.

the first thing most idiots/newbs/no nothings do when they pick up a gun is put their finger on the trigger, just to hold it

its a HUGE HUGE no no, but most people do it because they dont know any better.

I am not saying I beleive it was an accident, but people get shot in accidental discharges all the time, its perfectly feasbile that person had the gun pointed towards her an dfinger on the trigger with no intent to shoot, because thats what untrained gun owners tend to do

got spooked bumped flinched etc and BOOM gunshot no intent to shoot but it happened

yeah I call that an accident, even though its caused by ignorance


hell even trained people do it, police officers, nationally, on average, have more accidental discharges than CCW holders, per person, that are reported

Are people really that stupid they don't know putting your finger on the trigger could cause an accident? I'm not a gun owner and I can figure that out.

Also if its your contention even trained professionals can have an accidental discharge, should not average citizens undergo training and pass a test before being isssued a license? Shouldn't the training be renewed say every 5 years?

 

[Geosurface]

I think it's worth reminding everyone that NOBODY here is saying its reasonable or appropriate to start blasting through the front door with a shotgun because someone is knocking at an odd hour.

I'm not even sure there is any scenario where that could be justified, and a solitary, small female whom we have no reason to believe was trying to force her way in, makes it even harder to imagine.

I think some of us have simply learned our lesson about the media's accuracy when stories first break and desire to sensationalize, demonize guns and gun owners, stoke racial tensions, etc

and we are TRYING to get the rest of you to learn that lesson, too.

We'll see what facts come out later about this case. Currently, I don't expect them to be anything that comes close to justifying his action, but you never know.

 

[SheHateMe]

Who is "We"?