19 Year Old Girl Shot Looking for Help

[Geosurface]

I don't know much about this case but I heard elsewhere that although the family is claiming that her car had broken down and she was looking for help, that no such car was ever found.

I don't condone blasting someone with a shotgun through your front door because they merely knocked, or knocked at a weird hour... and manslaughter may indeed be appropriate here.

But it would be naive not to at least consider the possibility that she was in fact the "bait" to get the door opened (use a female so the homeowner is less fearful) and that when she was shot, her male accomplices took off running, and drove whatever vehicle may have been present away too.

It's a possibility.

I'd just like to know why her car wasn't around if she supposedly had had a car accident and was seeking help. If that's true.

One thing we've learned from these kinds of cases, is that the initial media presentation is usually pretty lacking in the full picture.

If it is as presented, the homeowner was absolutely in the wrong.

 

[brycejones]

If she was indeed shot in the back of the head, it's murder. You can't even do that with a true legitimate case of burglary.

I think you can in Texas if they've already got yo shit...

 

[dank69]

It's important to know if the woman was wearing a hoodie before we can judge this as a good shoot or not.

 

[dank69]

He probably thought it was the old "have a girl knock on the door asking for help, then when they open the door, a bunch of guys bum rush into the house and rob and kill the homeowner" trick.

Like a raping crew?

 

[destey]

I don't trust the news stories. I just read an article about how some kid stole his dad's truck and got shot because he didn't turn off the motor. Then I saw the liveleak dashcam of the chase, and the news article was so far off and slanted, I don't think I'll ever trust a gawker article again

 

[dank69]

I don't know much about this case but I heard elsewhere that although the family is claiming that her car had broken down and she was looking for help, that no such car was ever found.

I don't condone blasting someone with a shotgun through your front door because they merely knocked, or knocked at a weird hour... and manslaughter may indeed be appropriate here.

But it would be naive not to at least consider the possibility that she was in fact the "bait" to get the door opened (use a female so the homeowner is less fearful) and that when she was shot, her male accomplices took off running, and drove whatever vehicle may have been present away too.

It's a possibility.

I'd just like to know why her car wasn't around if she supposedly had had a car accident and was seeking help. If that's true.

One thing we've learned from these kinds of cases, is that the initial media presentation is usually pretty lacking in the full picture.

If it is as presented, the homeowner was absolutely in the wrong.

Yes. Let's get this party started. You got a link backing up any of these claims that the car wasn't found?

 

[Soundmanred]

Like a raping crew?

Yes, a raping crew.
Couldn't think of the correct term!

Just read a few reports. What was she doing for 2 hours between the accident and getting shot?

Such a weird story...

 

[SheHateMe]

Um, I dont know what the fuck Geo is talking about but the Sgt that has been speaking on this thus far confirmed that she was in an accident around 1am that night and that she'd left the scene and started knocking on doors.


Of course, I expected him to come in here and try to sell everyone on the idea that she was a thug. And of course, he pulls the "I heard/read somewhere else..." bullshit but cant produce a source. Let me guess, you saw it on reddit?

Dearborn is a mixed town, btw.

 

[NoCreativity]

Shooting sounds fishy, though we don't know the whole story. The whole story released so far sounds weird.

According to this article

About two hours before the shooting, police said, McBride was involved in an accident with a parked car in Detroit, which borders the neighborhood. Police declined to say what they believe McBride was doing before and after the accident, but said detectives have been keeping McBride’s parents up to date on the investigation.

McBride’s parents haven’t spoke to the news media, but other relatives have said they were told the car accident happened about four blocks away from where she was killed, adding she may have been disoriented and started walking to try to get help..

That seems pretty odd that she is knocking on a door 4 blocks from an accident scene* 2 hours after the accident occurred.

If what has been reported is accurate, the shooter should do jail time.

Edit *the 4 blocks is claimed by the family. Based on the inaccurate info the family has told the media I question the accuracy of that info as well.

 

[Geosurface]

You got a link backing up any of these claims that the car wasn't found?

Nope, just something I saw someone else claim. Obviously that is extremely flimsy, but I presented it as such.

Of course, I expected him to come in here and try to sell everyone on the idea that she was a thug.

I did no such thing. I encouraged people to wait and see, and not just instantly leap to the conclusion that the person who got shot was 100% innocent and the situation was exactly as the media presented it. I would think in the last couple of years, that is a lesson EVERYONE here should have learned by now.

The other poster who mentioned the kid shot after taking his dad's work truck makes a great point and I just heard about that one too. This just reinforces how you cannot just unquestioningly swallow the first version the media puts out. There's usually more to it.

Mind you, even if she had a crew of males ready to break into the house, clearly the home owner didn't know about them or he would have mentioned them running off to the cops.

So there really doesn't appear to be any situation where someone can be on the other side of your front door, and you're somehow justified in blasting them in the head THROUGH the door.

And of course, he pulls the "I heard/read somewhere else..." bullshit but cant produce a source. Let me guess, you saw it on reddit?

No, actually... if you must know, I heard it from a contact I made during the Zimmerman case (not a poster from this site) who mentioned it and made the claim about the car not being found. Maybe I'll see if I can find a link. You're welcome to, too.

If it is as presented, the homeowner was absolutely in the wrong.

If it is as presented, the homeowner was absolutely in the wrong.

If it is as presented, the homeowner was absolutely in the wrong.

But again, let's wait and see. We may be getting a wildly misrepresented version of the facts right now.

I find it interesting what another poster pointed out, a two hour gap between the accident and being at this guy's door? Odd.

 

[nehalem256]

He seems to be simultaneously going for Castle Doctrine and accident.

You are probably confused because he never claimed "Castle Doctrine". The homeowner claims that he thought he was being robbed, went to investigate and accidentally discharged his shotgun.

If she was indeed shot in the back of the head, it's murder. You can't even do that with a true legitimate case of burglary.

It wasn't in the back of the head:

Early today, Dearborn Heights police disputed early statements by the family that McBride was shot in the back of the head as she turned to leave the porch

Although for some reason the family of the dead woman apparently did make that claim. I wonder why they did? :hmm:

Um, I dont know what the fuck Geo is talking about but the Sgt that has been speaking on this thus far confirmed that she was in an accident around 1am that night and that she'd left the scene and started knocking on doors.

Serwatowski said the shooting occurred about 3:40 a.m. and the accident happened at about 1:30 a.m. He declined to say what police believe McBride was doing before and after the accident.

It totally makes sense to be knocking on doors 2 hours after a car accident

And you know its not like a 19 year old girl would have a cellphone or anything so she could summon help instead of knocking on random people's doors in the middle of the night.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Obviously this case is not cut and dry as the prosecution turned back the arrest warrant request from the police and is requiring more information from an investigation. At this point all the information that's being published come from family/friends and "anonymous" police sources.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-charges-black-teen-shot-car-accident/story?id=20816769

"We were presented with a warrant request on Tuesday and we have asked the police to do some further investigation on the case and until we receive that work, we won't be able to continue and make a decision," Wayne County Prosecutor's Office spokeswoman Maria Miller told ABCNews.com.

 

[Geosurface]

and even within just a few posts of mine, other posts are making it clearer and clearer that a "wait and see" and "don't just assume she was 100% innocent" attitude are appropriate.

And again, I'm NOT condoning blasting someone through your front door, the only scenario I could think of where that might be justified is if they were CLEARLY about to break in and you knew them to have deadly intent against you. My understanding is that such a shooting is only legal in certain states. I'm no expert on that.

Anyone who resents others of us calling for restraint and the evidence to come in, and who finds that "racist" or whatever nonsense... should look at the evolution of that other similar case recently. The cop who shot the guy who'd been in a car accident. That case seems to have gotten considerably more complex than it was initially presented. Unsurprisingly.

 

[TheVrolok]

Will be interesting to see what comes out.

 

[SheHateMe]

I did no such thing. I encouraged people to wait and see, and not just instantly leap to the conclusion that the person who got shot was 100% innocent and the situation was exactly as the media presented it. I would think in the last couple of years, that is a lesson EVERYONE here should have learned by now.

I understand that...but how are you any better claiming that she probably had a bunch of guys with her trying to rob the homeowner?

Why do you get to assume things about people and we don't? Are you and your forum buddies special?

You suck.

No, actually... if you must know, I heard it from a contact I made during the Zimmerman case (not a poster from this site) who mentioned it and made the claim about the car not being found. Maybe I'll see if I can find a link. You're welcome to, too.

Oh, someone from the Zimmerman fan-club said that. Ok. Well, the Sgt. speaking to the media about this case disagrees with you. He verified that she was in a car accident. Again, you suck.

It totally makes sense to be knocking on doors 2 hours after a car accident

And you know its not like a 19 year old girl would have a cellphone or anything so she could summon help instead of knocking on random people's doors in the middle of the night.

1) You don't know what happened between the time when she crashed into the car and when she got out and started knocking on doors. She could have been unconscious during some part of that time or maybe she didn't decide to leave until later. Again, you don't know.

2) Her cellphone was dead.


Why don't you read about the story before you start trolling the thread? I know you getting this burning desire to post in any thread involving women...but, read the articles first.

 

[Sheep221]

where are all the gun enthusiasts now? still thinking having freely available weapons is so cool thing?

I hope they guy gets charged for murder as there is nothing that could excuse what he did.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Ahh P&N. Cop involved in a shooting in any way shape or form then the Gestapo tactics at work.

Citizen shoots an unarmed teenager in the face, well let's wait and see what all the facts are before rushing to judgment.

 

[Geosurface]

where are all the gun enthusiasts now? still thinking having freely available weapons is so cool thing?

I hope they guy gets charged for murder as there is nothing that could excuse what he did.

Do you realize how extreme it is to claim people shouldn't even be allowed to have a shotgun?

Btw, SheHateMe, I don't recall saying "probably" I was pointing out a way that he could have actually been correct about burglary.

 

[Geosurface]

Ahh P&N. Cop involved in a shooting in any way shape or form then the Gestapo tactics at work.

Citizen shoots an unarmed teenager in the face, well let's wait and see what all the facts are before rushing to judgment.

I'm consistent I react the same way to police shootings. Can you point out an individual poster who has displayed this hypocrisy?

 

[nehalem256]

1) You don't know what happened between the time when she crashed into the car and when she got out and started knocking on doors. She could have been unconscious during some part of that time or maybe she didn't decide to leave until later. Again, you don't know.

Why would she have been unconscious? Normally that would only have occurred if there was a major car accident. Why is this traumatic car accident not mentioned anywhere, and why were the police not called for 2 hours after said major accident occurred?

 

[SheHateMe]

Do you realize how extreme it is to claim people shouldn't even be allowed to have a shotgun?

Btw, SheHateMe, I don't recall saying "probably" I was pointing out a way that he could have actually been correct about burglary.

Ok, my mistake. You didn't say it was probable but that it was "possible". My gripe is...why is it that whenever we have stories like this, you and your friends immediately hop on the "they were up to no good" train?

It happens every single time. And then you guys accuse everyone of being racist and assuming the worst about the REAL "victims"....meanwhile, you get to assume everything you want about the "assailants".

Why would she have been unconscious? Normally that would only have occurred if there was a major car accident. Why is this traumatic car accident not mentioned anywhere, and why were the police not called for 2 hours after said major accident occurred?

They said she crashed into a parked car. It doesn't have to be a major accident for someone to get knocked out....even if its for a few seconds.

“I’ll confirm that she was in an accident in Detroit and that she left the accident scene, and then some hours transpired” before the shooting, Serwatowski said.

The car accident was mentioned, jerk. Someone posted a quote from the news article. Cops confirmed that she was involved in a collision with a parked car. Nobody said anything about a "traumatic" car accident.


Again, don't troll the thread if you aren't going to bother to do your own research.

 

[dank69]

Why would she have been unconscious? Normally that would only have occurred if there was a major car accident. Why is this traumatic car accident not mentioned anywhere, and why were the police not called for 2 hours after said major accident occurred?

Just searched this thread for the word major and it's first appearance is here in your post. Also telling that you had to be told that the girl's cellphone was dead even though it is posted in the OP. Don't let these FACTS convince you that you are posting while completely ignorant.

 

[NoCreativity]

Just searched this thread for the word major and it's first appearance is here in your post. Also telling that you had to be told that the girl's cellphone was dead even though it is posted in the OP. Don't let these FACTS convince you that you are posting while completely ignorant.

Fact:

About two hours before the shooting, police said, McBride was involved in an accident with a parked car in Detroit, which borders the neighborhood.

Not fact (i.e. speculation):

McBride's family believes she was going door-to-door looking for help after her car broke down and her cell phone was dead.

You may also want to check your ignorance.

 

[Jaskalas]

Obviously this case is not cut and dry as the prosecution turned back the arrest warrant request from the police and is requiring more information from an investigation. At this point all the information that's being published come from family/friends and "anonymous" police sources.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/family-charges-black-teen-shot-car-accident/story?id=20816769

I doubt Michigan has a castle law, or that it'd apply to your front porch. Or to a likely unarmed young woman. I'm quite confused as to what circumstances are present to get them to question arresting this man for killing her.

Looks like clear cut Murder 2, but they aren't going to arrest him? I'd be knocking on that city demanding answers.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I doubt Michigan has a castle law, or that it'd apply to your front porch. Or to a likely unarmed young woman. I'm quite confused as to what circumstances are present to get them to question arresting this man for killing her.

Looks like clear cut Murder 2, but they aren't going to arrest him? I'd be knocking on that city demanding answers.

Actually Michigan does have a Castle Doctrine and more than likely is why the prosecutor needs more evidence to arrest/charge/prosecute the individual.

http://www.metrodetroitcriminallawy...it-criminal-lawyer-michigans-castle-doctrine/