Discussion Zen 7 speculation thread

[Tigerick]

2029? No way.

If it is based on A14, the earliest launch date would be Q3-2029. Three years after Zen6 CCD

 

[Fjodor2001]

Up to 16C per CCD

So 32C/64T on DT assuming 2x CCD.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I doubt A14 will be ready for mass market before that

If it is based on A14, the earliest launch date would be Q3-2029. Three years after Zen6 CCD

Hmm, possible Zen6 refresh beforehand then? That is a long time between products.

 

[511]

That's not how any of that works.
A16 is just a bad node.

More like BSPDN still has issues

A14 is 28 according to TSMC so if it's H1 28 we will see H2 28 Zen7 if it's H2 28 we will se H1 Zen 7and TSMC has been doing H2HVM for a while

 

[marees]

Hmm, possible Zen6 refresh beforehand then? That is a long time between products.

Desktop parts, maybe

Laptop parts. Definitely no.

 

[yuri69]

2029? No way.

What is so weird about Sep 2029? Zen 6 launches in H2 2026 with the major portion of SKUs launching in 2027. Add the standard period of the 2 year core IP development cycle and you got 2029.

Just to remind you, Zen 5 desktop launched in Aug 2024. It's successor is very probably targeting something like Jul-Nov 2026. Also keep in mind Zen 6 IP is just a refresh of Zen 5 unlike Zen 7.

 

[Thibsie]

Just to remind you, Zen 5 desktop launched in Aug 2024. It's successor is very probably targeting something like Jul-Nov 2026. Also keep in mind Zen 6 IP is just a refresh of Zen 5 unlike Zen 7.

Do we know that for sure?
I mean, Zen7 being quite different.

 

[marees]

Do we know that for sure?
I mean, Zen7 being quite different.

Typical AMD arch cycle

Team-1 — zen 1 & 2
Team-2 — zen 3 & 4
Team 1 — zen 5 & 6
Team 2 — zen 7? & 8?

Zen 3 team should be back with zen 7 is the expectation

 

[511]

no that's not how this works they work on alternate design

 

[marees]

no that's not how this works they work on alternate design

Check the names of the team members who worked on each arch

 

[DrMrLordX]

What is so weird about Sep 2029?

Zen6 is already in A0 silicon . . .

 

[Thibsie]

Typical AMD arch cycle

Team-1 — zen 1 & 2
Team-2 — zen 3 & 4
Team 1 — zen 5 & 6
Team 2 — zen 7? & 8?

Zen 3 team should be back with zen 7 is the expectation

OK, so we do not know but this is reasonable expectation.

 

[dangerman1337]

On that Silverton Chiplet since Silverking doesn't support X3D, on paper you can cut Silverton Core count + cache in half for yields and you still get 192MB with X3D in total. Suppose that'll be the "budgeted" X3D Zen 7 gaming CPU.

 

[yuri69]

Zen6 is already in A0 silicon . . .

They showed that 2nm Venice wafer back then. So yea, they should have fist samples for hyperscalers by now.

It seems it takes between 3-6 months between samples being spotted in shipping manifests and launch. Did I miss one of those?

 

[DrMrLordX]

It seems it takes between 3-6 months between samples being spotted in shipping manifests and launch. Did I miss one of those?

We have no idea how long those ES samples have been in possession of the cloud hosts testing them. Even if they arrived basically today, that'd be more than two and a half years until launch for Zen7. If TSMC A14 is going to take that long to enter production so be it, at least that makes sense. But otherwise it's a very long time!

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

no that's not how this works they work on alternate design

No, that's exactly how this works.
AMD's senior employees' LinkedIn are pretty transparent about this.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kai-troester-a2539aa/

 

[dangerman1337]

We have no idea how long those ES samples have been in possession of the cloud hosts testing them. Even if they arrived basically today, that'd be more than two and a half years until launch for Zen7. If TSMC A14 is going to take that long to enter production so be it, at least that makes sense. But otherwise it's a very long time!

AFAIK A14 is 2028 with 1H or 2H for HVM but that's more "offical", I mean I can see A14 ramp up in 1H of 2028 for Zen 7 Epyc and Desktop & Laptop shortly as it seems AMD will be the first customer for it.

Big question is if AMD gets REALLY aggressive with Zen 7 X3D launch, like launch first with Zen 7 Desktop or be the first Desktop one and have Zen 6 be the "budget" CPUs because that 16 Core 98mm2 A14 CCD ain't be cheap.

 

[Tigerick]

Soundwave - Alpha Trion (AT3 & AT4) - Grimlock

All characters from Transformers franchise. SO, what exactly does CPU and GPU transformation into?

Hints: RDNA4.5 - RDNA5 - LPDDR6




According to MLID, Zen7 EPYC is codenamed "Steamboat" which should be launching in 2029. Then what is Verano EPYC CPU which is launching in 2027 ? AMD only claims it is next gen AI Rack: isn't it refer to new generation of EPYC...Hmm, we should know more in 3 days. Just something to think about over the weekend.

 

[dangerman1337]

I think Grimlock Point will use RDNA 5 GPU architecture but Grimlock Halo will use RDNA 6 for 2029 assuming that's when RDNA 6 comes out.

 

[marees]

I think Grimlock Point will use RDNA 5 GPU architecture but Grimlock Halo will use RDNA 6 for 2029 assuming that's when RDNA 6 comes out.

Grimlock point 2 (krackan replacement) would be ideal for steam deck 2 (assuming it doesn't have the NPU tax of msft)

 

[dangerman1337]

Grimlock point 2 (krackan replacement) would be ideal for steam deck 2 (assuming it doesn't have the NPU tax of msft)

I think Steamdeck V2 will be something similar or use Medusa Mini Halo/Premium, AT4 sounds perfect for it and able to come out in 2027 (c'mon Valve, do that and nothing older tech-wise). Zen 7 nodes being used sound WAY to expensive if Valve wants to price aggressively.

 

[yuri69]

According to MLID, Zen7 EPYC is codenamed "Steamboat" which should be launching in 2029. Then what is Verano EPYC CPU which is launching in 2027 ? AMD only claims it is next gen AI Rack: isn't it refer to new generation of EPYC...Hmm, we should know more in 3 days. Just something to think about over the weekend.

Verano is just a Zen 6 EPYC with a different IOD compared to Venice's. Just like Zen 3 Trento was.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Soundwave - Alpha Trion (AT3 & AT4) - Grimlock

All characters from Transformers franchise. SO, what exactly does CPU and GPU transformation into?

Hints: RDNA4.5 - RDNA5 - LPDDR6


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According to MLID, Zen7 EPYC is codenamed "Steamboat" which should be launching in 2029. Then what is Verano EPYC CPU which is launching in 2027 ? AMD only claims it is next gen AI Rack: isn't it refer to new generation of EPYC...Hmm, we should know more in 3 days. Just something to think about over the weekend.

Italian city are the external codenames for EPYC, internal codenames are different. Zen5 was Breithorn, Zen6 is Weisshorn

 

[511]

btw is the guy incharge of the names Italian?

 

[adroc_thurston]

btw is the guy incharge of the names Italian?

Surprisingly, no.