Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[Chicken76]

Guys I had a great dream last night

Lisa Su told me we'll get:

• Medusa Halo with on-package memory
• Zen 6 Dual CCD X3D V-cache with MR-DIMM support
• RDNA4 Discrete GPU with 96 GB VRAM for < $3,000

I wish I never woke up

Incomplete dream. Tonight you'd better dream about the rest. That's SMT4 in Zen 7 and onwards.

 

[soresu]

Incomplete dream. Tonight you'd better dream about the rest. That's SMT4 in Zen 7 and onwards.

Naw, maybe if Zen9 further bifurcates the decoder to 4x4 way (which is unlikely to be in Zen7 IMHO), but I honestly don't see them ever going SMT4 no matter what they do with the µArch elsewise.

 

[Chicken76]

Naw, maybe if Zen9 further bifurcates the decoder to 4x4 way (which is unlikely to be in Zen7 IMHO), but I honestly don't see them ever going SMT4 no matter what they do with the µArch elsewise.

Hey, if he dreams it, MLID will read about it, then AMD will act on it. Don't kill the dream!

My dream is AMD will one-up Intel's socket LGA1954 4-generation lifetime and stay on AM6 with Zen 7 through 11.

 

[igor_kavinski]

but I honestly don't see them ever going SMT4 no matter what they do with the µArch elsewise.

Hygon is making the 128C/512T CPU which is based on AMD Zen tech. If AMD engineers were involved in the required architecture modifications (maybe to test it out) of that CPU design, then it's a very real possibility that AMD may bring it to their Epyc line at some point.

 

[511]

Intel 4 generation = 4 years. Intel launches annually. AMD is every 2 Years

 

[Timmah!]

Guys I had a great dream last night

Lisa Su told me we'll get:

• Medusa Halo with on-package memory
• Zen 6 Dual CCD X3D V-cache with MR-DIMM support
• RDNA4 Discrete GPU with 96 GB VRAM for < $3,000

I wish I never woke up

In my dream she said she´s sending me free Threadripper. I was very happy. Then it really arrived. And it was 1950x :-D

 

[Thunder 57]

Intel 4 generation = 4 years. Intel launches annually. AMD is every 2 Years

What would those be? ADL, ADL bumped into RPL, RPL+, and ARL? I'd call that three at best.

 

[511]

What would those be? ADL, ADL bumped into RPL, RPL+, and ARL? I'd call that three at best.

ADL/RPL can be called new gen RPL was more uplift than Zen5 was over Zen4. RPL+ is not a new gen and ARL is a decent gen it fixes the power issue with RPL.

Now for the next gen
Nova Lake is brand new gen and decent upgrade in all aspect
Razer is a good improvement over Nova
Titan is supposed to be using Unified Core so this could be a home run
i don''t have anything on gen after that

 

[soresu]

Hygon is making the 128C/512T CPU which is based on AMD Zen tech

"Based on" as in from their initial tech share of the Zen1 µArch, which is what Hygon Dhyana is based on.

Their joint venture has been dead for many years now, probably before this even went into heavy development.

Trade tensions in the last decade between US and China killed it, at least on AMD's part.

The sheer multitude of various ISA based endeavors in China shows that they don't need AMD to make changes and extensions to Dhyana, though I certainly wouldn't expect the new SoC to come anywhere near the raw IPC, clocks or perf/watt of Zen5.

It will be interesting to see what priority future Hygon x86 designs are given compared to RISC-V, ARM and LoogArch efforts at SMIC, given the CCP almost certainly have a hand in what gets priority above and beyond SMIC profit margins.

 

[soresu]

RPL was more uplift than Zen5 was over Zen4

Depends entirely how you evaluate it.

Zen5 is a MT monster.

The fact that there are still ST bound apps tripping over themselves running in this generation is just tragic, but it won't remain so indefinitely.

Even Epic are slowly chipping away at that problem with UE5 -> UE6.

 

[Josh128]

ADL/RPL can be called new gen RPL was more uplift than Zen5 was over Zen4. RPL+ is not a new gen and ARL is a decent gen it fixes the power issue with RPL.

RPL got 100% of its gains over ADL from clock increase and additional cores. Zen 5 Threadripper got +29% MT gains using same number of cores, Zen 5 desktop gets ~16% IPC according to AMD, same number of cores, same clockspeeds. I have not seen a comparison of SPEC testing of Zen 4 vs Zen 5 desktop, but David Huangs initial Strix Point showed +14% 1t vs Zen 4.

 

[511]

RPL got 100% of its gains over ADL from clock increase and additional cores. Zen 5 Threadripper got +29% MT gains using same number of cores, Zen 5 desktop gets ~16% IPC according to AMD, same number of cores, same clockspeeds. I have not seen a comparison of SPEC testing of Zen 4 vs Zen 5 desktop, but David Huangs initial Strix Point showed +14% 1t vs Zen 4.

So increasing clock speed/cores can't be considered a new gen?

 

[Josh128]

So increasing clock speed/cores can't be considered a new gen?

I never said that. But its about as much a new gen as Zen + was over Zen 1.

 

[QuickyDuck]

LGA1151 is a 4-gen socket but not inter-compatible, will new socket be? 🧐