Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[adroc_thurston]

that is succeeded by medusa point 1 right ?

kind of.
As a baseline MDS1 is a KRK1 replacement, -hi config just extends the CPU lead.

 

[Thunder 57]

Nope.
Consoles have poverty CPUs.
Client stuff can't go with poverty CPUs anymore.

Zen 2 is (was) poverty? You want to talk about poverty talk about Jaguar.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Zen 2 is (was) poverty?

Yeah, it was the RNR config with 4M L3 per CCX and GDDR6 memory latency.

You want to talk about poverty talk about Jaguar.

Jaguar was a very competent core for the era tho.

 

[jpiniero]

?
It's the Ryzen 9 MDS1.

Adding an CCD to an already very expensive platform isn't going to make OEMs happy.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Adding an CCD to an already very expensive platform isn't going to make OEMs happy.

It's not a very expensive platform (this ain't Qualcomm PMIC spam) and it's the R9 option.
No one forces you to pay more. You just can.

isn't going to make OEMs happy.

Please stop talking like you understand how PC OEMs work.

 

[jpiniero]

No one forces you to pay more. You just can.

And that's exactly the problem. OEMs won't pay.

What do you think AMD Rubin gaming laptops will use? Hawk? Strix?

 

[Thunder 57]

Yeah, it was the RNR config with 4M L3 per CCX and GDDR6 memory latency.

Jaguar was a very competent core for the era tho.

Latency isn't important for graphics. Jaguar was power efficient at best. Certainly not a performance core. Aren't you the one who said all that matters is 1T? 1T performance was crap. Do you have to try to disagree with everyone?

 

[adroc_thurston]

And that's exactly the problem. OEMs won't pay.

Says who.
It's a normal R9 option. This time it just comes with a real CPU perf upgrade. Kind of the whole point.

What do you think AMD Rubin gaming laptops will use? Hawk? Strix?

AMD what

Latency isn't important for graphics.

We're talking CPUs here.
Zen2 is a skinny core with no way to hide memory latency. 4M L3 makes the issue worse.

Aren't you the one who said all that matters is 1T? 1T performance was crap. Do you have to try to disagree with everyone?

Meds.

 

[Thunder 57]

Says who.
It's a normal R9 option. This time it just comes with a real CPU perf upgrade. Kind of the whole point.

AMD what

We're talking CPUs here.
Zen2 is a skinny core with no way to hide memory latency. 4M L3 makes the issue worse.

Meds.

Consoles are literally for gaming. You literally just days ago said that the only thing that matters was 1T. Do you want me to look it up? Take your damn meds.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Consoles are literally for gaming

Yeah.

You literally just days ago said that the only thing that matters was 1T.

Yeah, that's why they're getting Zen6.
Does not make their CPU/cache configs any less poverty.

Is reading hard for you? It's a solvable problem you know.

 

[Thunder 57]

Yeah.

Yeah, that's why they're getting Zen6.
Does not make their CPU/cache configs any less poverty.

Is reading hard for you? It's a solvable problem you know.

Is writing a problem for you? Zen 2 was the best thing available back then. With cut cache to save money. Big deal, worked out fine.

You say Zen 2 sucked but Jaguar was fine, also 1T is what matters. You are all over the place.

 

[Thunder 57]

you don't need more cores. just faster ones.

Guess Jaguar wasn't "very competent".

 

[adroc_thurston]

You say Zen 2 sucked

It was *poverty*, which, again, if you need help reading, ask your relatives or idk.

Zen 2 was the best thing available back then. With cut cache to save money

Yeah congrats on repeating my statement.

 

[Thunder 57]

It was *poverty*, which, again, if you need help reading, ask your relatives or idk.

Yeah congrats on repeating my statement.

You contradict yourself in your own post. You again call it poverty but then agree it was the best thing available back then. You just like to disagree.

This has nothing to do with Zen 6 so I am done with you.

 

[Kryohi]

medusa premium (mini halo) is for whom actually ?

To me it seems like the most interesting part of the lineup actually. Balanced CPU and GPU, probably close in performance to the best selling laptops out there with a dgpu (rtx 4050-4060 range), plus no stupid VRAM segmentation/planned obsolescence.

If you want the best CPU performance it's not the right choice, if you want to have the best GPU you won't buy an APU anyway, but most people don't want or can't get any of those.

Hopefully they improved the inter-core latency that plagues Strix Point as well.

 

[adroc_thurston]

You again call it poverty but then agree it was the best thing available back then.

those are not mutually exclusive.

 

[marees]

To me it seems like the most interesting part of the lineup actually. Balanced CPU and GPU, probably close in performance to the best selling laptops out there with a dgpu (rtx 4050-4060 range), plus no stupid VRAM segmentation/planned obsolescence.

If you want the best CPU performance it's not the right choice, if you want to have the best GPU you won't buy an APU anyway, but most people don't want or can't get any of those.

Hopefully they improved the inter-core latency that plagues Strix Point as well.

my ideal steam machine hardware

valve is cooked once this releases in 2028

 

[adroc_thurston]

my ideal steam machine hardware

Well it costs Actual Real Money.

valve is cooked once this releases in 2028

Gabebox is cheap. AT4 APUs are Very Not Cheap.

 

[marees]

Gabebox is cheap. AT4 APUs are Very Not Cheap.

gabecube is 8gb vram tho. only for the desperately poors

 

[adroc_thurston]

gabecube is 8gb vram tho.

Goodnuff for 1080p.

only for the desperately poors

Consoles are for mainstream SPPs.
If it's a PC it's gonna cost *some* kind of real money.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

It's not a very expensive platform (this ain't Qualcomm PMIC spam) and it's the R9 option.
No one forces you to pay more. You just can.

No PMIC again?
Booo.

 

[adroc_thurston]

No PMIC again?
Booo.

Eyyyy they're kind of pricey and OEMs would happily foresake low teens %% BL for lower platform costs.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Eyyyy they're kind of pricey and OEMs would happily foresake low teens %% BL for lower platform costs.

I know, it’s just that from the end users' perspective having competent low power behaviour locked behind WoA sucks the big felota.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I know, it’s just that from the end users' perspective having competent low power behaviour locked behind WoA sucks the big felota.

Ah, beltalowda.
You can get like 80% of PMIC spam finesse with better SOC architecture.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Nope.
Consoles have poverty CPUs.
Client stuff can't go with poverty CPUs anymore.

Magnus reportedly has 3x Zen6 + 8x Zen6c. This isn't poverty CPU in any dimension, especially if paired with 192bit GDDR7.