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DrMrLordX

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Josh128 said:
At the very least, Strix Halo in a handheld should be single CCD, dual is pointless.
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Single CCD Strix Halo doesn't exist, and probably never will. If someone wants to pay for the design ala MS/Sony and have the chips fabbed separately then so be it. Thus far nobody seems to be lining up to do so. AMD isn't going to carry another SKU in hopes that people will use it in handhelds.
 
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DrMrLordX said:
Single CCD Strix Halo doesn't exist, and probably never will. If someone wants to pay for the design ala MS/Sony and have the chips fabbed separately then so be it. Thus far nobody seems to be lining up to do so. AMD isn't going to carry another SKU in hopes that people will use it in handhelds.
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What? It's a 2 CCD design. They just omit one of the CCDs.
 
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lol

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Yeah, it does >2x here at ~45-50W and these game settings, but the entire dynamic changes as you go up or down in power levels and resolutions. e.g. @ 15W I doubt Halo would have much of an advantage, if any. @4K, Halo might do more than 3x Point due to mem bottlenecks on Point, etc.

Thats my point about Switch 2. That thing almost certainly operates sub 10W (maybe significantly less) in hh mode, yet by most accounts can produce some pretty kick-ass visuals considering that.

It all comes down to the targeted power envelopes /sweet spots for each SOC.
 
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TBH this is the future of laptops

handheld high end APU w HDMI into portable foldable OLED and optional dock with extra cooling and fans for higher W


I tried the Asus Halo 13'' tablet, it's supposed to weigh 1.2kg (super lightweight) but it felt way way way heavier than the 2.5kg 9955hx3d strix g16 laptop... I guess weight uniformity, too much density in a 13'' laptop
 
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Josh128 said:
Yeah, it does >2x here at ~45-50W and these game settings, but the entire dynamic changes as you go up or down in power levels and resolutions. e.g. @ 15W I doubt Halo would have much of an advantage, if any. @4K, Halo might do more than 3x Point due to mem bottlenecks on Point, etc.

Thats my point about Switch 2. That thing almost certainly operates sub 10W (maybe significantly less) in hh mode, yet by most accounts can produce some pretty kick-ass visuals considering that.

It all comes down to the targeted power envelopes /sweet spots for each SOC.
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it all depends on voltage , if there is little voltage difference between 50watt and 20watt sure. but if those CU's can run at low voltage you will be well wrong.
 
DrMrLordX

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inquiss said:
What? It's a 2 CCD design. They just omit one of the CCDs.
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Carrying a separate SKU incurs costs. Unless some would-be handheld manufacturer specifically requests the design (and if they requested such a thing, they'd be insane, when AMD could sell them something semicustom that would do the job much better), it's not happening. At least not with 8060S.

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There is one, with 32CUs instead of 40.

www.notebookcheck.net

AMD Ryzen AI Max 385 Processor - Benchmarks and Specs

Benchmarks, information, and specifications for the AMD Ryzen AI Max 385
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Yeah that doesn't have the full iGPU so it's not really applicable to the discussion. Yes it's technically Strix Halo, but . . .
 
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It is though. The Z2E is STP minus a couple of cores. AMD isn't above making specific gaming SKUs. They already have a packaging process for single CCD SKUs. It's literally just choosing to bin a specific way.

Given the low volumes of handhelds at the top end in general, the number of IOD that get produced with a faulty CCD link but are otherwise whole in the iGPU may be sufficient to cover that market...
 
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Josh128 said:
Yeah, it does >2x here at ~45-50W and these game settings, but the entire dynamic changes as you go up or down in power levels and resolutions. e.g. @ 15W I doubt Halo would have much of an advantage, if any. @4K, Halo might do more than 3x Point due to mem bottlenecks on Point, etc.

Thats my point about Switch 2. That thing almost certainly operates sub 10W (maybe significantly less) in hh mode, yet by most accounts can produce some pretty kick-ass visuals considering that.

It all comes down to the targeted power envelopes /sweet spots for each SOC.
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Power scaling :

 
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igor_kavinski said:

@Det0x Have you found anything interesting in this version?
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Dont know anyone who seriously use ryzen master as its a resource drain on your system, and half of the time it don't even work properly
Would much rather recommend something like ryzen debugtool as a much lighter and better application for Zen overclocking
Its made from the same auther as Zentimings

Asus "worktool" is also a good option if your rocking a asus motherboard
 
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Det0x said:
Dont know anyone who seriously use ryzen master as its a resource drain on your system, and half of the time it don't even work properly
Would much rather recommend something like ryzen debugtool as a much lighter and better application for Zen overclocking
Its made from the same auther as Zentimings

Asus "worktool" is also a good option if your rocking a asus motherboard
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Thats weird, I've never had issues with ryzen master across several builds.

do these tools actually tell you anything that RM wouldn't?
 
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Abwx said:
32 CUs is not that much less, so much that there s a STH 385 variant of this handeld.
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That's still a relatively poor compromise for a gaming handheld that's so heavily biased towards CPU performance. Compare the resource balance to something like the PS4 or 5 for example. Or really any purpose-built AMD chipset for consoles.
 
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Roughly the same performance as a game system with a 9700x on eco mode with a 7600 video card without the vram or PCIe bus choke points is fine for a small 1080p screen. No one is going to have anything real to complain about for performance or image quality undocked.
 
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Det0x said:
Dont know anyone who seriously use ryzen master as its a resource drain on your system, and half of the time it don't even work properly
Would much rather recommend something like ryzen debugtool as a much lighter and better application for Zen overclocking
Its made from the same auther as Zentimings

Asus "worktool" is also a good option if your rocking a asus motherboard
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Same. There is zero reason to use it instead of just going into the BIOS. Its not as reliable and requires reboots anyway.
 
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Josh128 said:
Same. There is zero reason to use it instead of just going into the BIOS.
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Not my experience. If you mess something up with Ryzen Master, you can usually get into the BIOS to boot with default settings. But mess something up in BIOS and it's CMOS reset time which is way more annoying. I enjoyed using Ryzen Master because of this. Intel seems to have gone the other way with their latest XTU. You can make your system unbootable with XTU and then require a CMOS reset to boot.
 
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