Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[adroc_thurston]

Oh wait, Intel has been sponsoring this title and offered it for free with cpu's at times over the last two years since its release.

Only Mirror of Madness is actually intel-sponsored, but yeah. A crushing defeat for Intel.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

I bet 100 internet points there will not be a dual 3D cache Zen 5. I really don't know where that rumor came from. It would cost AMD too much. They'd rather sell EPYC with them.

Turin-X is not a thing.
But yeah, dual-CCD 3DV$ seems unlikely.

 

[tsamolotoff]

It's also nice to see that you get basically all the performance of the 9800X3D with a cheap set of 6000CL30. US$85 for a 32GB kit is a lot more palatable than dropping ~$150 on some 7800 or more on CUDIMM.

Not really, it's just by magic of JEDEC you are basically at the same timings regardless of the MT/s "frequency". You have to tune secondaries manually to see any effect from better memory kits

 

[adroc_thurston]

Turin-X is not a thing.

It is but not for now.

 

[Rigg]

Yikes. This is pure domination. I'll pick one of these up next year during black Friday season if MC has a deal. Not worth it for me until I upgrade my 7900XT. Intel needs to get their poop in a group in a hurry or AMD might go full Nvidia pricing strategy moving forward.

 

[gdansk]

Intel needs to get their poop in a group in a hurry or AMD

It should not be hard. Can't they glue an even bigger cache die under Lion Cove next year? Or did they not 'waste' space on TSVs?

Edit: I realized this is the Zen 5 thread. I guess it might be off topic.

 

[jdubs03]

Yikes. This is pure domination. I'll pick one of these up next year during black Friday season if MC has a deal. Not worth it for me until I upgrade my 7900XT. Intel needs to get their poop in a group in a hurry or AMD might go full Nvidia pricing strategy moving forward.

Intel went doo doo. Wake me up when they produce an actually competitive product.

 

[exquisitechar]

Intel's V-Cache competitor will most likely only arrive with Nova Lake.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Can't they glue an even bigger cache die under Lion Cove next year? Or did they not 'waste' space on TSVs?

You're waiting until NVL for that.
That's late'26, same as MedusaDT.

Again, total AMD DIY domination. 9800X3D versus 285k in gaming is borderline Sandy-S versus Bulldozer (Orochi) margins.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Add maxed out spiderman to the list of big gains if you use a 7900XTX like myself. Fabio/ancient gameplays chart.

Tom's is 4090 and only uses high and no RT. TPUs numbers are gaslighting garbage as no one would use 23H2 with their Ryzen. He also tests areas where the CPU load is obviously lighter than what other reviewers are testing in the same games.

I wonder what this chart looks like with the 4090?

 

[fastandfurious6]

I saw a dream
everyone's gonna go MAD when 9950X3D comes out!!!
called it 1st!!!!!!!!!

something tells me vcache will reap the benefits of zen5
9800x3d > 7800x3d by ~~~~+20%+~~~

the prophecy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[poke01]

Yikes. This is pure domination. I'll pick one of these up next year during black Friday season if MC has a deal. Not worth it for me until I upgrade my 7900XT. Intel needs to get their poop in a group in a hurry or AMD might go full Nvidia pricing strategy moving forward.

Your dreaming, a deal on this chip. Hell nah. It’s 2 generations ahead of Intel.

The 7800XD tho absolutely, but by then it should be mostly clearance deals for zen4x3d.

 

[Thunder 57]

Add maxed out spiderman to the list of big gains if you use a 7900XTX like myself. Fabio/ancient gameplays chart.

Tom's is 4090 and only uses high and no RT. TPUs numbers are gaslighting garbage as no one would use 23H2 with their Ryzen. He also tests areas where the CPU load is obviously lighter than what other reviewers are testing in the same games.

I wonder what this chart looks like with the 4090?

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What is up with W1zzard at TPU and Paul Alcorn at TH? They seem to be such Intel shills. Nowhere near Userbenchmark levels, but still...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Your dreaming, a deal on this chip. Hell nah. It’s 2 generations ahead of Intel.

The 7800XD tho absolutely, but by then it should be mostly clearance deals for zen4x3d.

It's microcenter there will be deals on the 9800X3D next year.

What is up with W1zzard at TPU and Paul Alcorn at TH? They seem to be such Intel shills. Nowhere near Userbenchmark levels, but still...

Long and lucrative histories with Intel SMG is my guess. Tom's F1 24 numbers are GPU bound. GN tested at high and it's merking everything but its older bro -

 

[poke01]

Add maxed out spiderman to the list of big gains if you use a 7900XTX like myself. Fabio/ancient gameplays chart.

Tom's is 4090 and only uses high and no RT. TPUs numbers are gaslighting garbage as no one would use 23H2 with their Ryzen. He also tests areas where the CPU load is obviously lighter than what other reviewers are testing in the same games.

I wonder what this chart looks like with the 4090?

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Much higher, heck even a 4090 is not enough this cpu. Needs 5090 that’s how ahead this cpu is.

 

[poke01]

You're waiting until NVL for that.
That's late'26, same as MedusaDT.

Again, total AMD DIY domination. 9800X3D versus 285k in gaming is borderline Sandy-S versus Bulldozer (Orochi) margins.

but will Intel offer that under $499 or will be Ultra 9 only.

 

[MS_AT]

TPUs numbers are gaslighting garbage as no one would use 23H2 with their Ryzen

In their review summary in platform paragraph they write:

AMD recommended testing on Windows 11 23H2, which is what we did. Currently, 24H2 just has too many bugs, and it looks like Microsoft isn't exactly fast at getting those fixed.

Make of that what you will, just pointing it out

 

[desrever]

In their review summary in platform paragraph they write:

Make of that what you will, just pointing it out

Weird they were the only reviewer that said AMD recommended to test on 23H2.

 

[adroc_thurston]

but will Intel offer that under $499 or will be Ultra 9 only.

well it's not gonna be cheap either way.

 

[poke01]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854193422359269694

The 9800X3D is enough for 99.9% of people. It’s good at productivity and gaming.

 

[therealmongo]

Can't say I am happy with the power draw. 65W would have been nicer.

Is this satire ?

 

[therealmongo]

I can't resist... in the sprit of Userbenchmark: this is because of AMD sponsoring this title! This is a clear favortism towards AMD by the game devs and is unfair to consumers!

Oh wait, Intel has been sponsoring this title and offered it for free with cpu's at times over the last two years since its release.

cant wait to see the comment from the author of looserbenchmark

 

[igor_kavinski]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854193422359269694

Gaming in #StarCitizen was actually mind blowing as I have NEVER seen framerates this high on the LIVE servers at 1440P, outperforming the Intel Core Ultra 9 285K by 15%-30% (Different areas of Star Citizen)

 

[Thunder 57]

cant wait to see the comment from the author of looserbenchmark

rant

Why can no one on this forum spell loser correctly?

/rant

 

[DAPUNISHER]

rant

Why can no one on this forum spell loser correctly?

/rant

Because we are all loosers..DUH!