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Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Stoked to see the MSRP talking point squashed. DF conclusion covers it well -

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D review: obliterating the competition​

An easy recommendation, even at $479.

looking at multiple reviews; the number of games in which it has a 30-40%+ lead over arrow is astonishing. All while having excellent performance per watt.
 
adroc_thurston said:
Man, GNR really is crippled by the dingus cIOD.
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It would be interesting to see a clock normalized comparison between Zen 4, Zen 4x3d, Zen 5, and Zen5x3d to see how much improvement AMD is getting from clocks versus relieving a bottleneck for the Zen 5 architecture with V-cache.

Edit: I haven't looked at the C&C article yet, there might be some hints there.
 
Makaveli said:
the 7800X3D has a 120W TDP.
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In2Photos said:
Both the 7800X3D and 9800X3D are 120W parts.
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Really 😱 , my mistake.
Despite the same TDP It consumes a lot more power, actually in some tests It consumes 2x more, that's why I made a mistake and thought 7800X3D was only 65W. 🙂
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On the other hand 9700X vs 7700 were pretty similar in power consumption.
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DAPUNISHER said:
Stoked to see the MSRP talking point squashed. DF conclusion covers it well -

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D review: obliterating the competition​

An easy recommendation, even at $479.

looking at multiple reviews; the number of games in which it has a 30-40%+ lead over arrow is astonishing. All while having excellent performance per watt.
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Arrow is just bad for gaming. It performs worse than even Raptor Lake, actually even application performance is not that good, at least we know why AMD didn't release more than 16 cores.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Stoked to see the MSRP talking point squashed. DF conclusion covers it well -

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D review: obliterating the competition​

An easy recommendation, even at $479.

looking at multiple reviews; the number of games in which it has a 30-40%+ lead over arrow is astonishing. All while having excellent performance per watt.
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I think the MSRP talking point had more to do with it's price compared to the 7800X3D rather than Arrow Lake.
TESKATLIPOKA said:
Really 😱 , my mistake.
Despite the same TDP It consumes a lot more power, actually in some tests It consumes 2x more, that's why I made a mistake and thought 7800X3D was only 65W. 🙂
power-applications-compare-vs-7800x3d.png


On the other hand 9700X vs 7700 were pretty similar in power consumption.
power-applications-compare-vs-7700.png
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Well the 9700X was released as a 65W part and only had a 100MHz advantage in the boost clock. 9800X3D has a +200MHz advantage on the boost clock plus a higher base clock and is able to keep that speed due to the cache moving under the die. My guess is that if you limited the 9800X3D to 5GHz you might see similar performance to the 7800X3D. But that extra +200MHz is costly on the power side.
 
Hitman928 said:
Looking at the HWUB review, it seems like if they had a faster GPU, the overall average difference between the 9800x3d and 7800x3d would be even higher as they appear to be running into a GPU bottleneck on some of the games.
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it’s funny tho, only an 50 series Nvidia GPU can show the full potential of X3D. That’s what AMD gets for being slack in the GPU department.
 
Sorry to interrupt the 9800X3D excitement but now this is available too: https://www.servethehome.com/beelink-ser9-amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370-mini-pc-review/

What Beelink nailed on this unit is the power consumption and noise. We were in the normal 7-9W idle for this system, but under load, we were in the 78W range at the wall. Remarkably, the system just sat at that power level. We showed about 10 minutes of load at this power level in the video, but we ran it for over 30 minutes, and it did not down-clock. Most mini PCs get a few seconds at their maximum power levels, then drop down. This just sat at its maximum performance level.
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I think Strix Halo is looking to be another massive hit for AMD.
 
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