Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[sl0519]

Now fix the single core boost regression from non 3d part and there's your 3rd gen v-cache.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Hmmm. I had decided to pass on Zen 5 but these results are making me rethink this decision. I'll wait to see the 2-CCD results first though. Very impressive showing here from AMD.

Man, GNR really is crippled by the dingus cIOD.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Stoked to see the MSRP talking point squashed. DF conclusion covers it well -

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D review: obliterating the competition​

An easy recommendation, even at $479.

looking at multiple reviews; the number of games in which it has a 30-40%+ lead over arrow is astonishing. All while having excellent performance per watt.

 

[jdubs03]

OC looks nice…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854170558994489625

In spec2017 it’s competitive with the 9950X…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854198881183240515

 

[Hitman928]

Man, GNR really is crippled by the dingus cIOD.

It would be interesting to see a clock normalized comparison between Zen 4, Zen 4x3d, Zen 5, and Zen5x3d to see how much improvement AMD is getting from clocks versus relieving a bottleneck for the Zen 5 architecture with V-cache.

Edit: I haven't looked at the C&C article yet, there might be some hints there.

 

[MangoX]

God damn, it so badass it made Aussie Steve put down the haterade. "It makes the 285K look like an entry level gaming CPU" Still using old windows on arrow; Historic walk off KTFO numbers kids. 👀

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"Blows Intel out of it's socket". Lmao.

Finally a launch to be excited about! Wonder how a 9950X3D would fare.

 

[poke01]

just total chaos for intel

 

[Makaveli]

Based on what we are seeing today its pretty clear IOD and memory are the biggest bottleneck's on Zen 5. So can't wait to see that addressed in the next Gen.

 

[poke01]

Based on what we are seeing today it’s pretty clear IOD and memory are the biggest bottleneck's on Zen 5. So can't wait to see that addressed in the next Gen.

It’s already been addressed with X3D.

 

[Josh128]

All fine and good, lets see what street prices and availability are like.

 

[adroc_thurston]

It’s already been addressed with X3D.

It's been addressed with stx-halo.

 

[Saylick]

Based on what we are seeing today its pretty clear IOD and memory are the biggest bottleneck's on Zen 5. So can't wait to see that addressed in the next Gen.

We should get a sneak peak of how an upgraded IOD and, more importantly, connection between the IOD and CCD will help when Strix Halo gets reviewed.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

the 7800X3D has a 120W TDP.

Both the 7800X3D and 9800X3D are 120W parts.

Really , my mistake.
Despite the same TDP It consumes a lot more power, actually in some tests It consumes 2x more, that's why I made a mistake and thought 7800X3D was only 65W.

On the other hand 9700X vs 7700 were pretty similar in power consumption.

 

[poke01]

It's been addressed with stx-halo.

Oh I know. I been saying that for ages now. I meant for DIY

 

[Saylick]

just total chaos for intel

Inb4 "Well, no one games at 1080p with a 4090, so Arrowlake is good enough for 4K gaming"

 

[adroc_thurston]

Despite the same TDP It consumes a lot more power, actually in some tests It consumes 2x more, that's why I made a mistake and thought 7800X3D was only 65W.

Because it clocks higher in non-gaming due to having way less thermal limits.

 

[Hitman928]

Looking at the HWUB review, it seems like if they had a faster GPU, the overall average difference between the 9800x3d and 7800x3d would be even higher as they appear to be running into a GPU bottleneck on some of the games.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Stoked to see the MSRP talking point squashed. DF conclusion covers it well -

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D review: obliterating the competition​

An easy recommendation, even at $479.

looking at multiple reviews; the number of games in which it has a 30-40%+ lead over arrow is astonishing. All while having excellent performance per watt.

Arrow is just bad for gaming. It performs worse than even Raptor Lake, actually even application performance is not that good, at least we know why AMD didn't release more than 16 cores.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Holy shi-
A real generational perf bump in TWW3.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I said Intel has no chances in client and accidentally it came true. Too bad!

 

[In2Photos]

Stoked to see the MSRP talking point squashed. DF conclusion covers it well -

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D review: obliterating the competition​

An easy recommendation, even at $479.

looking at multiple reviews; the number of games in which it has a 30-40%+ lead over arrow is astonishing. All while having excellent performance per watt.

I think the MSRP talking point had more to do with it's price compared to the 7800X3D rather than Arrow Lake.

Really , my mistake.
Despite the same TDP It consumes a lot more power, actually in some tests It consumes 2x more, that's why I made a mistake and thought 7800X3D was only 65W.

On the other hand 9700X vs 7700 were pretty similar in power consumption.

Well the 9700X was released as a 65W part and only had a 100MHz advantage in the boost clock. 9800X3D has a +200MHz advantage on the boost clock plus a higher base clock and is able to keep that speed due to the cache moving under the die. My guess is that if you limited the 9800X3D to 5GHz you might see similar performance to the 7800X3D. But that extra +200MHz is costly on the power side.

 

[gdansk]

I said Intel has no chances in client and accidentally it came true. Too bad!

I think the problem is it came from Arrow Lake being bad, not Granite Ridge being good. Only the X3D variant is the real improvement in the x64 world this year.

 

[poke01]

Looking at the HWUB review, it seems like if they had a faster GPU, the overall average difference between the 9800x3d and 7800x3d would be even higher as they appear to be running into a GPU bottleneck on some of the games.

it’s funny tho, only an 50 series Nvidia GPU can show the full potential of X3D. That’s what AMD gets for being slack in the GPU department.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Because it clocks higher in non-gaming due to having way less thermal limits.

True, but we are talking here about extra ~400-500MHz resulting in 72% more power in handbrake.Link
Considering 9800X3D is limited to only 5.2GHz then this result is not that great in my opinion.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Sorry to interrupt the 9800X3D excitement but now this is available too: https://www.servethehome.com/beelink-ser9-amd-ryzen-ai-9-hx-370-mini-pc-review/

What Beelink nailed on this unit is the power consumption and noise. We were in the normal 7-9W idle for this system, but under load, we were in the 78W range at the wall. Remarkably, the system just sat at that power level. We showed about 10 minutes of load at this power level in the video, but we ran it for over 30 minutes, and it did not down-clock. Most mini PCs get a few seconds at their maximum power levels, then drop down. This just sat at its maximum performance level.

I think Strix Halo is looking to be another massive hit for AMD.