Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[del42sa]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...uffer-from-more-substantial-clock-speed-drops

As it turns out, AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X drops frequency by 10% with heavy AVX-512 usage: it reduces clock speed from 5,700 MHz to 5,300 MHz, which is not substantial and which is in line with what AMD said in an interview with Tom's Hardware back in July. In contrast, Intel processors that do support AVX-512 (the company is known for disabling AVX-512 from Alder Lake and Raptor Lake CPUs for various reasons) usually drop their clocks dramatically when executing AVX-512 instructions.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Because this is a bait, rather than a comparison.

Obligatory Mad Max meme.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-200-to-feature-rebranded-hawk-point-apus-launching-by-end-of-this-year

After reading this, I remembered I said the exact same thing about half a year ago when AI 300 naming was leaked



The new naming is still ass though, that hasn't changed

If they're dropping prices of HWK towards <$599 devices with this refresh, then Intel RPL-R is in serious trouble.

 

[SteinFG]

If they're dropping prices of HWK towards <$599 devices with this refresh, then Intel RPL-R is in serious trouble.

AMD made a whole new budget-focused die for 8540U and 8440U processors, but there's barely any laptops with it. I wonder why.

 

[biostud]

I guess another reason to wait for the 3D models, is that users of the regular Zen models are essentially beta testers.

 

[poke01]

I guess another reason to wait for the 3D models, is that users of the regular Zen models are essentially beta testers.

thats assuming the X3D models are bug free on launch...

Lets take a look at AMDs track record ove the past 2 years: Zen5 not ready at launch, RDNA 3 was RDNA 3.

 

[coercitiv]

I guess another reason to wait for the 3D models, is that users of the regular Zen models are essentially beta testers.

In fairness, the last 3D models were not bug free at launch.

 

[Hans Gruber]

The question is can AMD provide an x3D cpu that can go clock for lock with the non x3d versions. That would add value and performance.

 

[LightningZ71]

AMD made a whole new budget-focused die for 8540U and 8440U processors, but there's barely any laptops with it. I wonder why.

Because "budget focused" didn't actually reduce the costs that much on the back end. There are a few of them out there, but they aren't much cheaper than better alternatives.

 

[LightningZ71]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-200-to-feature-rebranded-hawk-point-apus-launching-by-end-of-this-year

After reading this, I remembered I said the exact same thing about half a year ago when AI 300 naming was leaked



The new naming is still ass though, that hasn't changed

Given how underwhelming the performance of Strix has been, they're going to have to practically neuter the clocks on the higher end Hawk Point chips to build market segmentation with Kraken and 10 core Strix SKUs. The 10 core Strix takes a big hit to gpu clock speed as well as capping the boost speeds on the P and c cores. Kraken will have a slower iGPU, but may actually have better ST performance depending on boost speeds.

That whole stack will be a mess...

 

[SteinFG]

Given how underwhelming the performance of Strix has been, they're going to have to practically neuter the clocks on the higher end Hawk Point chips to build market segmentation with Kraken and 10 core Strix SKUs. The 10 core Strix takes a big hit to gpu clock speed as well as capping the boost speeds on the P and c cores. Kraken will have a slower iGPU, but may actually have better ST performance depending on boost speeds.

That whole stack will be a mess...

AMD are happy selling AMD chips. If you'll buy 8-core Zen4 instead of 8-core Zen5, it's still a win. Under the same low TDP, I think Kraken will offer a bit of improvement over Hawk, because of slightly more efficient C-cores, newer arch, and faster ram. But under 45W+ TDP it'll lose.

 

[AdamK47]

AMD are happy selling AMD chips. If you'll buy 8-core Zen4 instead of 8-core Zen5, it's still a win. Under the same low TDP, I think Kraken will offer a bit of improvement over Hawk, because of slightly more efficient C-cores, newer arch, and faster ram. But under 45W+ TDP it'll lose.

They won't be happy if they had expectations for Zen 4/5 sales. Ramping up production for Zen 5 while lowing production for Zen 4.

 

[Josh128]

The question is can AMD provide an x3D cpu that can go clock for lock with the non x3d versions. That would add value and performance.

The answer is almost certainly it will not. An uplift vs 7800X3D, most likely, but more than 5.2 to 5.3 GHz? I definitely wouldnt bet on that. If they manage to bring a 9800X3D that matches 9700X in boost frequency (even if they call it 5.5 and it really ends up 5.45 similar to 5800X3Ds advertised vs actual boost clocks), that would be considered the biggest positive surprise of the entire Zen 5 generation. I 100% dont believe they can do it.

 

[Det0x]

Some more windows 10 testing from kitguru
TLDR: Win10 only ended up fastest in Far Cry 6

 

[Josh128]

Some more windows 10 testing

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Does Win10 have VBS off by default? How do you disable that?

 

[tsamolotoff]

Does Win10 have VBS off by default? How do you disable that?

Type in "core isolation" in the modern ui settings, disable it. also there are registry tweaks to make sure hvci/vbs is off.

 

[Josh128]

Type in "core isolation" in the modern ui settings, disable it. also there are registry tweaks to make sure hvci/vbs is off.

Shows up as "memory integrity"? Looks like its default off on this Tiger Lake laptop Im using.

Also, 5800X3D reaffirming its "GOAT" status as a gaming chip. Going tit for tat with a 2 gen newer, 1GHz faster AMD chip, lol.

 

[misuspita]

I know it's off-topic, but wouldn't this kind of Windows be better for the knowledgeable person? Also on the performance gains to actually any CPU

 

[Makaveli]

Does Win10 have VBS off by default? How do you disable that?

Its not even there for me in Win 10 and last I heard it was disabled by default in 10.

Also, 5800X3D reaffirming its "GOAT" status as a gaming chip. Going tit for tat with a 2 gen newer, 1GHz faster AMD chip, lol.

GOAT status confirmed.

 

[AdamK47]

Its not even there for me in Win 10 and last I heard it was disabled by default in 10.

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GOAT status confirmed.

Sorry, the Greatest Of All Time was the Celeron 300A. Unquestionable. Undisputed.

 

[Makaveli]

Sorry, the Greatest Of All Time was the Celeron 300A. Unquestionable. Undisputed.

as an overclocking beast yes celeron 300A is in the history books.

So lets just say the GOAT of this era.

 

[AdamK47]

as an overclocking beast yes celeron 300A is in the history books.

So lets just say the GOAT of this era.

That's not all time

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Please don't derail this thread.

You guys have the go ahead if you want to make a who's the GOAT CPU? thread. You can add a poll if you like, everyone can brawl it out. 👊 It's been a long while since we had a good versus thread, and it's the perfect topic for one.

Mod DAPUNISHER

 

[jpiniero]

If they're dropping prices of HWK towards <$599 devices with this refresh, then Intel RPL-R is in serious trouble.

Lenovo has a couple models sub-$600. Obvously you won't see any Strix at that price point.

 

[positivedoppler]

Some more windows 10 testing from kitguru
TLDR: Win10 only ended up fastest in Far Cry 6

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I can't click on videos right now. Is that with the new firmware?