Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[desrever]

So Krackan indeed looks like a joke, especially the Ryzen 5 SKU. That thing is more of a Mendecino successor than anything.

I mean its a mainstream part that performs better than the last gen's premium part. What are you expecting?

 

[fastandfurious6]

mistake

 

[Philste]

I mean its a mainstream part that performs better than the last gen's premium part. What are you expecting?

But it most likely won't, that's the problem. 4+4 ZEN5 with 8 CU RDNA3.5 vs 8 ZEN5 + 12CU RDNA3 won't perform better in meaningful way. Probably even slower.

 

[desrever]

But it most likely won't, that's the problem. 4+4 ZEN5 with 8 CU RDNA3.5 vs 8 ZEN5 + 12CU RDNA3 won't perform better in meaningful way. Probably even slower.

Last gen is 4+4 ZEN 4 cores.

 

[Abwx]

So Krackan indeed looks like a joke, especially the Ryzen 5 SKU. That thing is more of a Mendecino successor than anything.

If you say so, so what is your LNL comparatively, an Atom..?

AMD Krackan (Point): Günstigere Langläufer-APUs mit Zen 5(c), RDNA 3.5 & 50 TOPS

Unter der Strix-Point/Halo-Familie ist noch Platz: AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 und Ryzen AI 5 340 debütieren hier, Codename Krackan (Point).

www.computerbase.de

 

[gdansk]

No, 1.4x faster is the same as 40% faster.

What you could say is the product has 140% the performance compared to the competitor at 100%. This would be the same as 40% faster.

But in AMD’s case, they are at 240% compared to LNL at 100%, so they are 2.4x faster or 140% faster.

I guess so. But one would say 2.4x the performance or 140% faster. Any other way is weird. I am guessing they had a % and someone changed it to x without thinking.

 

[Philste]

Last gen is 4+4 ZEN 4 cores.

Phoenix is full ZEN4

If you say so, so what is your LNL comparatively, an Atom..?

Kinda. I don't know why you would compare it. Kraken is obviously a Phoenix successor and it looks like a joke when you look at it as such. It's been 2 Years since Phoenix Lainch and now they launch this? The Ryzen 7 is meh at best but the Ryzen 5 is a 3+3 with 4 CU iGPU, what even is this? You are better off with a 3 year old Rembrandt than that thing.

LNL at least had uplift in most things compared to Intels previous products.

 

[desrever]

Phoenix is full ZEN4

It's not tho

 

[Abwx]

Phoenix is full ZEN4

Kinda. I don't know why you would compare it. Kraken is obviously a Phoenix successor and it looks like a joke when you look at it as such. It's been 2 Years since Phoenix Lainch and now they launch this? The Ryzen 7 is meh at best but the Ryzen 5 is a 3+3 with 4 CU iGPU, what even is this? You are better off with a 3 year old Rembrandt than that thing.

Strix Point is Phoenix/Hawk Point successor, Krackan is Phoenix 2 successor, wich was a 2 + 4, and funnily it matched LNL in MT.

LNL at least had uplift in most things compared to Intels previous products.

Dunno what is the uplift but in MT and same power LNL is vastly outperformed by KRK, even Phoenix is better in MT, i m talking numbers, not urban legends.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Kracken is Phoenix 2 successor

No, it's distinctly a HPT replacement.

Dunno what is the uplift but in MT and same power LNL is vastly outperformed by KRK

LNL has the battery life lead aka what matters.

LNL at least had uplift in most things compared to Intels previous products.

it's also made of gold.

 

[Abwx]

No, it's distinctly a HPT replacement.

LNL has the battery life lead aka what matters.

We re talking segments, the same as a 12C/24T replaced a 8C/16T in the upper segments a 8C/16T is replacing a 6C/12T in the lower ones.

 

[Philste]

Strix Point is Phoenix/Hawk Point successor, Krackan is Phoenix 2 successor, wich was a 2 + 4, and funnily it matched LNL in MT.

Literally every Roadmap shows Strix as a new Tier above everything else before and Kraken as Phoenix/Hawk successor. If Strix is the Phoenix Successor, where are the Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 SKUs? Krackan got shown today, it's easily as big as Phoenix. Prices of devices also tell a different story. Strix Devices are nowhere near devices with Phoenix.

 

[adroc_thurston]

We re talking segments, the same as a 12C/24T replaced a 8C/16T in the upper segments a 8C/16T is replacing a 6C/12T in the lower ones.

It replaces exactly HPT in the $999 and a bit below segment. Next.

 

[gdansk]

It's not tho

Phoenix is 8xZen4
Phoenix 2 is 2xZen4 +4xZen4c

 

[Abwx]

Literally every Roadmap shows Strix as a new Tier above everything else before and Kraken as Phoenix/Hawk successor. If Strix is the Phoenix Successor, where are the Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 5 SKUs? Krackan got shown today, it's easily as big as Phoenix. Prices of devices also tell a different story. Strix Devices are nowhere near devices with Phoenix.

There s a 10C Strix Point, and even a 8C one IIRC, point is that KRK is at the bottom for the Zen 5 mobile portfolio, the same as Phoenix 2 previously for the Zen 4 line up, at some point there s an evolution in core count within a same segment.

Price wise it will be found in the low priced laptops, there s even a 6C/12T for the most cost compressed ones.

 

[Philste]

There s a 10C Strix Point,

Which is still a Ryzen 9 accroding to AMD.

and even a 8C one IIRC

That one actually is a Ryzen 7, but only available as PRO SKU. All previous APUs starting with Renoir basically maxed out at Ryzen 7. Yeah, there were Ryzen 9 SKUs in every Gen, but these were like +100MHz. Kinda similar to what Intel currently does in their mobile lineup.

point is that KRK is at the bottom for the Zen 5 mobile portfolio, the same as Phoenix 2 previously for the Zen 4 line up, at some point there s an evolution in core count within a same segment.

I would happily agree with that, but AMD themselves don't seem to want it like this. Kraken will serve the pricepoints previously served by Hawk Point, Phoenix... all the way back to Renoir. Strix sits above. Currently in Gemany the most basic ASUS laptop with Strix (Vivobook S14) costs 1399€ in base config. That's way above the bread and Butter mainstream stuff that AMD became big in during the last years.

 

[Abwx]

Which is still a Ryzen 9 accroding to AMD.

That one actually is a Ryzen 7, but only available as PRO SKU. All previous APUs starting with Renoir basically maxed out at Ryzen 7. Yeah, there were Ryzen 9 SKUs in every Gen, but these were like +100MHz. Kinda similar to what Intel currently does in their mobile lineup.

I would happily agree with that, but AMD themselves don't seem to want it like this. Kraken will serve the pricepoints previously served by Hawk Point, Phoenix... all the way back to Renoir. Strix sits above. Currently in Gemany the most basic ASUS laptop with Strix (Vivobook S14) costs 1399€ in base config. That's way above the bread and Butter mainstream stuff that AMD became big in during the last years.

Prices are made by the OEMs and retailers, and so far there s was no competition in the Strix Point segment, that will change with Intel releasing some mobile SKUs.

As for KRK they are branding it as entreprise and everyday users dedicated, that s not exactly a high price segment, and the much cut down GPU is an indication that it s not a HPoint replacement, at the start itshould be in 800-1200€ laptops as long as the Zen 4 mobile inventory has not dried up, wich will take at least one year.

AMD Krackan (Point): Günstigere Langläufer-APUs mit Zen 5(c), RDNA 3.5 & 50 TOPS

Unter der Strix-Point/Halo-Familie ist noch Platz: AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 und Ryzen AI 5 340 debütieren hier, Codename Krackan (Point).

www.computerbase.de

 

[Markfw]

So, I tried to read, but what is the summation of CES for AMD ?

 

[gdansk]

So, I tried to read, but what is the summation of CES for AMD ?

Krk has a worse configuration than some expected (3+5 not 4+4).
Halo has no market (2 laptops announced).
9950X3D exactly as expected except no pricing or launch date.
RDNA4 mysteriously absent.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Halo has no market (2 laptops announced).

It's a niche part.

Krk has a worse configuration than expected (3+5 not 4+4).

There's no difference if it's a single CCX.

 

[gdansk]

There's no difference if it's a single CCX.

No, it's lower MT. Not that MT matters for the market but since Zen 5c has worse efficiency at the same clock rate it is also detrimental for the target market in a sneaky way.

 

[adroc_thurston]

No, it's lower MT

There's barely any difference given the target segment.

 

[desrever]

No, it's lower MT. Not that MT matters for the market but since Zen 5c has worse efficiency at the same clock rate it is also detrimental for the target market in a sneaky way.

probably higher MT in TDP limited cases if anything

 

[Abwx]

Krk has a worse configuration than some expected (3+5 not 4+4).

What is worse is to be uninformed and then state non sense.
From Computerbase :

Der AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 setzt auf vier Zen-5-Kern plus vier Zen-5c-Kerne, der kleinere AMD Ryzen AI 5 340 setzt auf 3+3.

AMD Krackan (Point): Günstigere Langläufer-APUs mit Zen 5(c), RDNA 3.5 & 50 TOPS

Unter der Strix-Point/Halo-Familie ist noch Platz: AMD Ryzen AI 7 350 und Ryzen AI 5 340 debütieren hier, Codename Krackan (Point).

www.computerbase.de

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Has it been confirmed to be single CCX?

That's a much more important detail than exact amount of c and non-c cores.