Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

You mean to say Zen5 CCD has more than 2 GMI links at the moment and at the same time that AMD won't use them on any product?

I am saying that, as was the case with Zen4 as well, Zen5 has two GMI links for EPYC and standard-Ryzen (only one used) SKUs and additionally has another way of interconnect for Halo. The latter one should be rather small and in some yet unidentified area.

 

[adroc_thurston]

and additionally has another way of interconnect for Halo. The latter one should be rather small and in some yet unidentified area.

Halo has a separate CCD with a separate TO accounted for.

 

[gaav87]

Anyone remember the chinese 9700x performance leak ? Well im 1.22x faster xD

 

[BorisTheBlade82]

Halo has a separate CCD with a separate TO accounted for.

That'd be a surprise for me - and not in a good way. Somewhere I can hear the benefits of scale scream.
As you seem to have much more insight than me, I am inclined to believe you for the time being - as stated before, I am just speculating.
But I really expected them to put to good use of what they learned with MI300A in that regard.

 

[MS_AT]

Halo has a separate CCD with a separate TO accounted for

What does TO stand for?

 

[Bigos]

Tape Out?

 

[tsamolotoff]

Well im 1.22x faster xD

Any data for 2300 fclk, if it even works? I've heard of some CPUs doing 2233, but not 2300 (non-APU of course).

 

[LightningZ71]

Either they plan for serious volume, or there's another product that's also planned to use those CCDs.

 

[SolidQ]

anyone know true/fake?

AMD Rumored To Enter The "Smartphone Markets", Likely Introducing APU-Like "Ryzen AI' SoCs

AMD is rumored to enter the "smartphone markets" and is already in talks with integrators to have its "Ryzen AI" mobile SoCs in smartphones.

wccftech.com

 

[gdansk]

anyone know true/fake?

Pretty sure it's fan fiction. The Exynos RDNA agreement is as far as they'll go in smartphones.

But they are an ARM licensee and if they are making a "smartphone-like" SoC it's probably for a semi-custom customer like say Valve where they won't need camera and image processing IP.

 

[SolidQ]

But they are an ARM licensee

yeah. There is Sound Wave ARM based, so maybe phones will be real in future

 

[gdansk]

yeah. There is Sound Wave ARM based, so maybe phones will be real in future

AMD are laggard in using new processes. That doesn't work in the smartphone market. There's a near 0% chance AMD makes a SoC that actually shows up in phones and a 0% chance it uses Zen.

 

[Tup3x]

anyone know true/fake?

AMD Rumored To Enter The "Smartphone Markets", Likely Introducing APU-Like "Ryzen AI' SoCs

AMD is rumored to enter the "smartphone markets" and is already in talks with integrators to have its "Ryzen AI" mobile SoCs in smartphones.

wccftech.com

Some kind of ARM SoC is likely but smartphone SoC is very unlikely.

 

[gaav87]

Any data for 2300 fclk, if it even works? I've heard of some CPUs doing 2233, but not 2300 (non-APU of course).

I tried 4600mts 2300fclk 2300uclk booted to windows but crashesh after 10sec.
Im new to ddr5/am5 ocing so idk what voltages to adjust and whats safe.
4400/2200/2200 1:1:1 also worked but i dont know how to setup the timings had like 70ns+ latency xD
ddr4 4400cl19 xmp settings but no go. aid64 results were interesting. Bandwidth was comparable to 6000mt/s 3:1
But it only worked on agesa 1.2.0.2 non-a. Agesa 1.2.0.2A is currently bugged i get +7-8ns latency on it with exact same settings. Max tuned 57ns settings on 1202a give me 66ns.

I just came from work il try 2233fclk or more.

 

[GTracing]

anyone know true/fake?

AMD Rumored To Enter The "Smartphone Markets", Likely Introducing APU-Like "Ryzen AI' SoCs

AMD is rumored to enter the "smartphone markets" and is already in talks with integrators to have its "Ryzen AI" mobile SoCs in smartphones.

wccftech.com

This is the original quotation from the yahoo article. It reads like AI generated nonsense.

Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (NASDAQ:AMD) operates as a semiconductor manufacturer. Latest reports from tech website Smartphone Magazine indicate that the company is planning to enter the smartphone market, and is in talks with phone makers to integrate the Ryzen processors, which are AI-capable, into smart handheld devices. AMD is well-known for powering PCs, but the recent foray of QUALCOMM, a phone-first semi firm, into the PC world, might be one of the reasons behind the AMD move, per the report.

I can't even find the original source "smartphone magazine". The idea that AMD is moving into the smartphone market because Qualcomm stepped into the PC market is ridiculous. This looks like a baseless rumor.

AMD making a smartphone chip is possible, but my question is what do they offer? Their Zen cores are less efficient and have worse software compatibility on Android. Their uncore has way worse efficiency. If they're using stock ARM IP then all they have is GPU and NPU, and neither one is particularly enticing. The one reason I can see for this is the smartphone market is growing and the PC market is shrinking. Moving into the smartphone market makes sense as a long term play if they can establish themselves there.

 

[marees]

3 + 3

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858502648846332260

 

[LightningZ71]

Kraken bin?

 

[marees]

Kraken bin?

Possible. Previously 8 cores in total (4 + 4 or 3 + 5)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849772419059417283

AMD "Krackan / Kraken Point" APU Spotted with 4+4 CPU Core Configuration and 32 GB LPDDR5X-8000 Memory

AMD's answer to Intel's "Lunar Lake" is here. According to Olrak29, who discovered a strange entry on the OpenBenchmark benchmarking suite made by Phoronix, we have preliminary information on AMD's "Krackan / Kraken Point" APU. Spotted in the benchmark trials is the "100-000000713" model, which...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Saylick]

anyone know true/fake?

AMD Rumored To Enter The "Smartphone Markets", Likely Introducing APU-Like "Ryzen AI' SoCs

AMD is rumored to enter the "smartphone markets" and is already in talks with integrators to have its "Ryzen AI" mobile SoCs in smartphones.

wccftech.com

Yet another classic case of WCCFTech not giving a crap about what they scrape from the internet to regurgitate. The authors could read fan fiction from bilibili about their mother potentially buying out Intel and they'd report it without blinking an eye.

 

[igor_kavinski]

3 + 3

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858502648846332260

AMD Hydra rears its 12 heads!

 

[Tuna-Fish]

3 + 3

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858502648846332260

Anyone know what geekbench is reporting as clusters here?

If that's two small ccx:es with separate caches, I hate it. If that's two different types of cores sharing a L3, looks neat.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Anyone know what geekbench is reporting as clusters here?

If that's two small ccx:es with separate caches, I hate it. If that's two different types of cores sharing a L3, looks neat.

Comparison with 7640U: https://browser.geekbench.com/ai/v1/compare/108829?baseline=106385



That single test HAS to be using AVX-512.

 

[adroc_thurston]

AMD are laggard in using new processes

They're using N3e right now?

 

[gdansk]

They're using N3e right now?

They're using it for one small part without all the assorted IP a proper SoC would need. AFAIK there isn't even an entirely N3 SoC on the roadmap through 2025. Far behind MediaTek and Qualcomm.

 

[adroc_thurston]

They're using it for one small part without all the assorted IP a proper SoC would need

I really don't think Turin-D is a "small part" but you be you.

AFAIK there isn't even an entirely N3 SoC on the roadmap through 2025

The whole point of tiling is putting only the necessary bits onto the bleeding edge. Hope that helps!