Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

^^ Interesting.

Igor what RAM config was used for the ES R24 run? I dont see it on the HWinfo screen.

8000/2133, unsure about timings. My config is 6400CL30 tuned 2133 fclk

 

[poke01]

EDIT; out of topic

 

[PJVol]

While my ST only saw a 120->126 score going from jedec 4800 to fast tuned ram, MT sees a much larger gain. I'll run it real quick for reference.

I went over a couple of detailed reviews of Raphael CPUs where it was shown that the effective clocks in ST load like SuperPI for the two best cores reached 5700-5750 MHz at stock and 5850 MHz with +100 PBO boost and a tuned curve, with Fmax 5850 and 5950 respectively. Looks like something is really wrong with the setup where the ST clocks can't exceed 4650Mhz.

The rate at wich the score increase as he increase power, we ll know more once Computerbase do their review since they ll make tests at 45, 65, 88 and 142W like they did for the 7950X.

Yes, we'll know for sure, although I was asking why you assumed that the VRM voltage is held at a fixed value, while the telemetry indicated otherwise.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

I went over a couple of detailed reviews of Raphael CPUs where it was shown that the effective clocks in ST load like SuperPI for the top two cores reaches 5700-5750 MHz at stock and 5850 MHz with +100 pbo boost and a tuned curve, with Fmax 5850 and 5950 respectively. I think something is wrong with the setup where the ST clocks can't exceed 4650Mhz

It runs 5650 in CB 2024 ST. In other singlethreaded workloads, it can 5700 or 5750. FMAX/peak reported frequency when unloaded hits 5850.

 

[Goop_reformed]

Nah. I'm no.9 which means that whatever I do, I remain poor while everyone else around me gets rich!

So is it good yet? I've not recovered from the 32% hangover .

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

While my ST only saw a 120->126 score going from jedec 4800 to fast tuned ram, MT sees a much larger gain. I'll run it real quick for reference.

4800 JEDEC - 1,950
6400 Tuned - 2,280

I was off here. the tuned score was from memory. It's actually 2,190.

 

[igor_kavinski]

So is it good yet? I've not recovered from the 32% hangover .

It's the best Zen yet at 300W

 

[FlameTail]

AMD's tweaked RDNA 3.5 GPU is solely focused on improving mobile gaming performance

There are plenty of little changes under the hood to help the graphics processor do more for less power.

www.pcgamer.com

The updated design was introduced by Mark Papermaster, AMD's chief technology officer, and he began by pointing out that the changes culminated from its collaboration with Samsung, which licenses AMD's graphics tech for the Exynos range of smartphone and tablet processors.

That's very interesting (emphasis mine).

Cross pollination of technologies between smartphone and PC!

 

[csbin]

hardwareluxx: N4X
tomshardware: N4P

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814187640062685638

 

[poke01]

so Zen 5 CCD is N4X

 

[poke01]

If it’s N4X that’s even better, as it’s meant for extreme performance and no wonder AMD is able clock highly so easily.

One could say N4X is better than N3B for desktop.

 

[Rigg]

@igor_kavinski 's leaker career really hitting the big time now.

 

[therealmongo]

@igor_kavinski 's leaker career really hitting the big time now.

hahaha, men in black will be round soon
its been so long to look at that channel, used to be a young boy talking, now its an older, bigger man

 

[Timorous]

hahaha, men in black will be round soon

He has not posted for a minute. Wonder if Lisa's goon squad has snatched him already.

 

[Rigg]

He has not posted for a minute. Wonder if Lisa's goon squad has snatched him already.

It's not safe for him now that he's been outed as one of MLID's super reliable sources.

 

[Rigg]

used to be a young boy talking, now its an older, bigger man

With great mustache comes great responsibility.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

If it’s N4X that’s even better, as it’s meant for extreme performance and no wonder AMD is able clock highly so easily.

One could say N4X is better than N3B for desktop.

Cheese said that both Mire Clark and Mahesh Subramony confirmed that Zen 5 uses N4P.

 

[igor_kavinski]

@igor_kavinski 's leaker career really hitting the big time now.

Wow. Mr. Moostache is talking about my graph!

 

[Philste]

MLIDs Video today is one of the best ones ever...

Makes totally sense for AMD to hide ZEN5s real performance from Intel when Intels product launches months after 3rd Party reviews of ZEN5 where real performance is shown anyway.

 

[StefanR5R]

hardwareluxx: N4X
tomshardware: N4P

https://twitter.com/x/status/1814187640062685638

Not exactly. Hardwareluxx (Andreas Schilling) wrote "N4P and N4X".

The new CCD is supposed to be [manufactured in] "TSMC 4nm FinFET" — at the tech day, N4P and N4X have been mentioned specifically.

PS:
The article from which this comes from is centered around questions which Hardwareluxx asked AMD after the Tech Day. Especially, they asked about manufacturing. The way how the article is worded, it is evident that AMD answered this with "TSMC 4nm FinFET", whereas the "N4P and N4X" bit is only something which Andreas Schilling claims to have heard at the event.
Edit 2:
Further down in the article, he associates N4X with Eldora and N4P with Strix Point but we have no way of knowing what's fact and what's mistake if not invention (by the listener or by the speaker).

 

[inf64]

MLID has lost the plot, officially.

 

[tsamolotoff]

MLIDs Video today is one of the best ones ever...

broQen siliQon, amirite

 

[yuri69]

The conspiracy is always so laughable. X doing this because they don't want the Y to know.

Standard x86 projects span 5+ years. There are hundreds employees changing places each year. There are entire teams focused on "projecting the market competition situation".

Slides having a different number a few months before the launch won't matter.

The only variable thing is pricing, the rest is known.

 

[Timmah!]

@igor_kavinski 's leaker career really hitting the big time now.

You will tell your grandchildren that you were there, 3000 years ago, and witnessed Igors ascension to interwebz fame first hand 😁

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

AMD's tweaked RDNA 3.5 GPU is solely focused on improving mobile gaming performance

There are plenty of little changes under the hood to help the graphics processor do more for less power.

www.pcgamer.com

That's very interesting (emphasis mine).

Cross pollination of technologies between smartphone and PC!

Huh, this is actually quite interesting