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As expected, any supported CPU must be listed on main CPU support list.

Asus B350 no Renoir support, or same story with one random MSI B350 motherboard example.

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Asus is starting to roll out bios updates for their B350 and X370 boards ahead of time using Agesa 1.2.0.6b

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They havent updated the cpu support list yet, 1.2.0.6b should fully support Renoir and Vermeer, but not Cezanne.
 
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AMD is selling the partially defective PS5 APUs to miners. Although it can't be that defective if it's getting 50 MH.
 
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Asus is starting to roll out bios updates for their B350 and X370 boards ahead of time using Agesa 1.2.0.6b

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They havent updated the cpu support list yet, 1.2.0.6b should fully support Renoir and Vermeer, but not Cezanne.
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That was their only option, otherwise Asus would only get spitting and cursing. :mask:

- support for Renoir and Vermeer, but not Cezanne
 
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So, who is planing to use a $600 RX6700XT, a $350 RX6600, $450 3050 with a dirt cheap $109 R3 4100 again? Instead of, i dont know, the $120 12100F? Or the Vermeer based $199 5600... AMD is completely missing the point, they need an APU at $100.
 
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So, who is planing to use a $600 RX6700XT, a $350 RX6600, $450 3050 with a dirt cheap $109 R3 4100 again? Instead of, i dont know, the $120 12100F? Or the Vermeer based $199 5600... AMD is completely missing the point, they need an APU at $100.
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Enough to take out the trash. It'd work quite nicely as a CPU to mine with.
 
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So, who is planing to use a $600 RX6700XT, a $350 RX6600, $450 3050 with a dirt cheap $109 R3 4100 again? Instead of, i dont know, the $120 12100F? Or the Vermeer based $199 5600... AMD is completely missing the point, they need an APU at $100.
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Total PC platform cost+Intel H610 boards they still are to expensive+trash.

H610 motherboards+DDR4 memory

- PCIe Express 4.0

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B550 motherboards+DDR4 memory

- PCIe Express 4.0

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You can use R3 4100 for any usage, or in any cheap AM4 PC configuration.

As you see from my example, the cheapest H610 motherboard is twice expensive vs cheep B550 motherboard. :grinning:
 
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Where is R5 4500, hm forgotten or disappeared.

R3 4100 is here or it is alive, it is listed on AMD website.


Ryzen 5 4500 has been officially announced, but still on AMD website as if it doesn't really exist.

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Ive been told they arrive tomorrow here, but that they are tray, not boxed. Well see.
 
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Total PC platform cost+Intel H610 boards they still are to expensive+trash.
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Im checking newegg prices, there is a ASRock H610M-HVS for $80, and the 12100F is at $110. Thats $190 for cpu + mb with PCIe 4.0. Thats the best budget combo i can see there. The 3600 and the Vermeer 5600 both cost $200.
 
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Thats the same one i got... price-wise, a R5 4500+A320 is cheaper than a 12100F+H610, but not by a lot.
 
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Neither are good values at their current prices. Also, don't forget the 1600AF selling at $85-100 a couple of years ago.
 
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.A lot of people expect or want a 6/12 R5 4500 to cost around 85-90$. :laughing:
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In the meantime, 2/4 Pentium G7400 the price is 80-85$.:innocent:
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Yeah, but which is actually faster at gaming? hehehe.


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I do believe that the 12100F's price sets a ceiling for the R5 4500 though. Shouldn't cost more than $110 retail, WITH cooler included.
 
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This is what it looks like, when the test is not based mostly on gaming + GN Steve is crying too much about "high prices".


In percentages, 6/12 Zen 2(only 8mb L3 cache) vs 6/12 Alder lake with 18mb L3 cache

- Cinebench R23, Alder lake is 16% faster

- Reality Capture, Alder Lake is 17% faster

- MetaShape, Alder Lake is 10% faster

- Autodesk Maya, Alder lake is only 4% faster

- Handbrake, Alder Lake is 7% faster

- Houdini, Alder Lake is 12% faster

- Blender Custom, Alder Lake is 9.3% faster

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Yes, that review Steve did for 4500 is just bad (not the data, but conclusions). This processor has a market and price will fall in the right spot anyway, due to how the market works.
I don't think this processor is a good first choice if availability and price gouging wasn't a problem, but in current market and in developing countries it will sell reasonably well.
 
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AMD releasing a new 4C Zen 2 APU called Mendocino. Seems it's either the Steam Deck die (or more likely) a cut down one.
 
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I wonder what the cache configuration will be? AMD has a 4MB L3 ccx design (Renoir, Lucienne) and a 16 MB L3 ccx design (Matisse, rome). Maybe they have a design that splits the difference and has 8MB? It's probably quite similar to Van Gogh with a smaller iGPU.
 
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I wonder what the cache configuration will be? AMD has a 4MB L3 ccx design (Renoir, Lucienne) and a 16 MB L3 ccx design (Matisse, rome). Maybe they have a design that splits the difference and has 8MB? It's probably quite similar to Van Gogh with a smaller iGPU.
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Could be either 4 or 8. The Tiger Lake i3s are either 6 or 8 so 4 would be a bit stingy comparatively but I think they could get away with it.
 
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I wonder what the cache configuration will be? AMD has a 4MB L3 ccx design (Renoir, Lucienne) and a 16 MB L3 ccx design (Matisse, rome). Maybe they have a design that splits the difference and has 8MB? It's probably quite similar to Van Gogh with a smaller iGPU.
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At this stage developing an 8MB ccx is probably beyond the desires of amd in a budget device. It's most likely just van gogh being used to slot in below rembrandt for more up to date platforms. (ddr5 and pcie4).
Might make some cheaper mini pcs.
Even the xbox and playstation used the 4MB of cache ccxs.
 
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