your thoughts on the p4 extreme

[ZobarStyl]

Do yourself and your brother the big favor and just look at any of the various links that have been posted...every one of them will show the AMD chips on top of the EE. Take note of the fact that the only person who touts the EE as the greatest thing ever has yet to post a single link to reliable source to back up his claims. Do your homework is all we ask and you'll see exactly why the FX is better choice.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Do yourself and your brother the big favor and just look at any of the various links that have been posted...every one of them will show the AMD chips on top of the EE. Take note of the fact that the only person who touts the EE as the greatest thing ever has yet to post a single link to reliable source to back up his claims. Do your homework is all we ask and you'll see exactly why the FX is better choice.

And while you are at it people, would anybody here be jealous of Felix's system if they had mine ? I want to know if he really believes that, because if so, I think he needs help.

 

[Zebo]

One thing for sure no one is jealous if felixs' FX5200 which a GF2 can beat.

 

[EightySix Four]

Hey felix, I wasn't trying to get onto you, I was just giving you the cold hard facts. Everyone here is tired of your ranting... I mean the cpu is great and all but 99.9% of the people won't spend $1000 on a cpu, and when u constantly recommend P4's over the clearly faster AMD64's it p!sses people off...

 

[Adn4n]

Lets see, dual opterons or an Emergency Edition Pentium? I'd say I'd go with the dual opterons. What's up with the FX5200, I bet now I'll hear that it is far superior to a x800XTPE just because it's Nvidia.

 

[Ronin]

Mark, wanna put your 2x248's against my 4x840's?

At any rate, the Opteron is superior to the Xeon, to the EE, and to just about anything else Intel has tried to throw it's way. If you haven't checked out the dual core tape outs and their prospective performance, you should.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Mark, wanna put your 2x248's against my 4x840's?

At any rate, the Opteron is superior to the Xeon, to the EE, and to just about anything else Intel has tried to throw it's way. If you haven't checked out the dual core tape outs and their prospective performance, you should.

I don't think so......I know when I'm beat....

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

And while you are at it people, would anybody here be jealous of Felix's system if they had mine ? I want to know if he really believes that, because if so, I think he needs help.

I, for one, welcome my Opteron 248 overlords.

 

[Zebo]

Some of my systems ...Mark, wanna put your 2x248's against my 4x840's?

You're crazy ronin.:Q I hope you're getting a phat tax write off for being an "IT Professional" with all that hardwarez. Hell costs so much you prolly have to amortize it as capital equipment.

 

[ntrights]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Do yourself and your brother the big favor and just look at any of the various links that have been posted...every one of them will show the AMD chips on top of the EE. Take note of the fact that the only person who touts the EE as the greatest thing ever has yet to post a single link to reliable source to back up his claims. Do your homework is all we ask and you'll see exactly why the FX is better choice.

http://www20.tomshardware.com/...19/cpu-scaling-14.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/...19/cpu-scaling-16.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/...19/cpu-scaling-17.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/...l#synthetic_benchmarks

Looks like the EE holds its own when it comes to video and audio benches.. Also the DirectX 9a Benchmarks looks pretty good (more or less on pair with Athlon)

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: ntrights

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Do yourself and your brother the big favor and just look at any of the various links that have been posted...every one of them will show the AMD chips on top of the EE. Take note of the fact that the only person who touts the EE as the greatest thing ever has yet to post a single link to reliable source to back up his claims. Do your homework is all we ask and you'll see exactly why the FX is better choice.

http://www20.tomshardware.com/...19/cpu-scaling-14.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/...19/cpu-scaling-16.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/...19/cpu-scaling-17.html
http://www20.tomshardware.com/...l#synthetic_benchmarks

Looks like the EE holds its own when it comes to video and audio benches.. Also the DirectX 9a Benchmarks looks pretty good (more or less on pair with Athlon)

:thumbsup:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
Hey felix, I wasn't trying to get onto you, I was just giving you the cold hard facts. Everyone here is tired of your ranting... I mean the cpu is great and all but 99.9% of the people won't spend $1000 on a cpu, and when u constantly recommend P4's over the clearly faster AMD64's it p!sses people off...

I dont have any beef with you, and welcome your comments, because you arent a jealous troll.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Do yourself and your brother the big favor and just look at any of the various links that have been posted...every one of them will show the AMD chips on top of the EE. Take note of the fact that the only person who touts the EE as the greatest thing ever has yet to post a single link to reliable source to back up his claims. Do your homework is all we ask and you'll see exactly why the FX is better choice.

And while you are at it people, would anybody here be jealous of Felix's system if they had mine ? I want to know if he really believes that, because if so, I think he needs help.

Who the heck wants an inopertron? Hmmm? Dual inopertrons at that!

I dont know if its jealousy or what but I like my cpu. I created two threads about it, and you had to stick your big nose in it. Thats jealousy. Not once, but twice you did that. Everyone told you to stfu, but you kept on and on. If thats not jealousy, then it must be some sort of personality defect.

What I would like to see is you, just you, not make any more comments about me or my CPU, because as demonstrated - thats a two way street. I really couldnt give a flip about any of your posessions, so I wont have any problem ignoring you, but YOU are the one who constantly launches attacks. Can you explain that? You must like rivalry or its the jealousy thing comming through again.

Maybe you dont even own the equipment you claim. I posted live benchmarks for all to see (screenshots). You havent posted shiat. Can you? Heck even one CPUid would be fine. Hmmmm......

 

[CaiNaM]

i for one don't think the p4EmergencyEdition is a bad cpu; quite the contrary.

even taking amd out of the equation, i do think it's a poor value at it's pricepoint tho.

$459 - Pentium 4 560 3.6GHz LGA775
$990 - Pentium 4 3.4GHz 800MHz 2MB Extreme

i'll refer back again to a comment from AT's review:

"The Pentium 4 560 manages to offer performance better than that of Intel's fastest Extreme Edition P4, thanks to the additional 200MHz clock increase. The performance enhancement has nothing to do with any architectural changes, as there are none, but everything to do with clock speed. If Intel wants to continue to uphold that their Extreme Edition brand is truly extreme, then a higher frequency core is necessary."

less performance for more than 2x the price.. i mean, how can that be good?

tossing amd back into the argument, even given that imo the a64's have an achilles heel, they offer much better value, tho imo the fx chips are as overpriced as the EE chips, regardless of the fact it's generally acknowledged as being faster overall than the EE.

 

[Kabob]

If you're going to spend all that money on a nice CPU and you want the HyperThreading, then get a new 64 bit Xeon. If he wants to game though, definately go with an Athlon 64. Much cheaper and speedier. If he has an urge to spend tons of money then get him a dual Opteron system or something...

-Kabob

 

[ZobarStyl]

Yeah, if money is that little of an object, get a dual Opteron or dual 64-Bit Xeon setup. No one here is a 'jealous troll' Felix so much as (as Cainam said) we don't think spending 2x more than the P4 560 for less performance is really an idea you should keep pushing on everyone. I mean, it's quite clear that you dislike AMD (calling the much more efficient processor "inopteron" makes you look like a child...again) but if you just sold people on the 3.6 Prescott no one would mind at all. As it is though, you seem to just want to line Intel's coffers by selling their highly overpriced chip to anyone and everyone.

And as for the links posted, those just showed current scaling if you had an unlocked P4 EE which don't exist at the retail level. However the FX has an unlocked multiplier standard and could easily scale up like that; and of course, this guy said it was for games more than anything, and if you look into the earlier half of that article you'll see the FX running all over the EE in every game...just like every other article out there shows.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Do yourself and your brother the big favor and just look at any of the various links that have been posted...every one of them will show the AMD chips on top of the EE. Take note of the fact that the only person who touts the EE as the greatest thing ever has yet to post a single link to reliable source to back up his claims. Do your homework is all we ask and you'll see exactly why the FX is better choice.

And while you are at it people, would anybody here be jealous of Felix's system if they had mine ? I want to know if he really believes that, because if so, I think he needs help.

Who the heck wants an inopertron? Hmmm? Dual inopertrons at that!

I dont know if its jealousy or what but I like my cpu. I created two threads about it, and you had to stick your big nose in it. Thats jealousy. Not once, but twice you did that. Everyone told you to stfu, but you kept on and on. If thats not jealousy, then it must be some sort of personality defect.

What I would like to see is you, just you, not make any more comments about me or my CPU, because as demonstrated - thats a two way street. I really couldnt give a flip about any of your posessions, so I wont have any problem ignoring you, but YOU are the one who constantly launches attacks. Can you explain that? You must like rivalry or its the jealousy thing comming through again.

Maybe you dont even own the equipment you claim. I posted live benchmarks for all to see (screenshots). You havent posted shiat. Can you? Heck even one CPUid would be fine. Hmmmm......

First, on topic, the P4EE is not a bad cpu, just way too exspensive, and not as fast as the FX-53 at most things, but cost hundreds more.

Next, I replied to the other threads saying virtually the same thing I did now, and others have said in posts above this, and in the other threads. And no one wanted me out of the other threads, they wanted you banned for the FUD you were spreading, and even started a forum issue post to that effect.

And lastly, here is a picture of the inside of my machine Opteron_inside.jpg and the outside Opteron_outside.jpg And the car in my sig in in MY driveway.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Just remember guys, he who dies with the most toys, still dies! Mark has one of the sweetest setups on the boards here, but I hope he does more productive things with it than game the majority of the time, because that would be like using his RX8 solely as a grocery getter :laugh:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl
Do yourself and your brother the big favor and just look at any of the various links that have been posted...every one of them will show the AMD chips on top of the EE. Take note of the fact that the only person who touts the EE as the greatest thing ever has yet to post a single link to reliable source to back up his claims. Do your homework is all we ask and you'll see exactly why the FX is better choice.

And while you are at it people, would anybody here be jealous of Felix's system if they had mine ? I want to know if he really believes that, because if so, I think he needs help.

Who the heck wants an inopertron? Hmmm? Dual inopertrons at that!

I dont know if its jealousy or what but I like my cpu. I created two threads about it, and you had to stick your big nose in it. Thats jealousy. Not once, but twice you did that. Everyone told you to stfu, but you kept on and on. If thats not jealousy, then it must be some sort of personality defect.

What I would like to see is you, just you, not make any more comments about me or my CPU, because as demonstrated - thats a two way street. I really couldnt give a flip about any of your posessions, so I wont have any problem ignoring you, but YOU are the one who constantly launches attacks. Can you explain that? You must like rivalry or its the jealousy thing comming through again.

Maybe you dont even own the equipment you claim. I posted live benchmarks for all to see (screenshots). You havent posted shiat. Can you? Heck even one CPUid would be fine. Hmmmm......

First, on topic, the P4EE is not a bad cpu, just way too exspensive, and not as fast as the FX-53 at most things, but cost hundreds more.

Next, I replied to the other threads saying virtually the same thing I did now, and others have said in posts above this, and in the other threads. And no one wanted me out of the other threads, they wanted you banned for the FUD you were spreading, and even started a forum issue post to that effect.

And lastly, here is a picture of the inside of my machine Opteron_inside.jpg and the outside Opteron_outside.jpg And the car in my sig in in MY driveway.

Your posessions, like you, are meaningless and pointless. And what, no LCD? WTF? :laugh:

I win this round, yet again. :thumbsup:

P4 EE rules baby!!

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Just remember guys, he who dies with the most toys, still dies! Mark has one of the sweetest setups on the boards here, but I hope he does more productive things with it than game the majority of the time, because that would be like using his RX8 solely as a grocery getter :laugh:

It spends all of its like (while powered up) running 2 instances of F@H to help medical science cure cancer, parkinsons,etc... and to capture and print my pictures, play games, and encode home movies of my son (single parent). The RX-8 on the other hand only goes out on weekends to have fun, while my commuter car is a saturn, and my truck is for hauling my sand rail.

And thanks for the comments dapunisher !

And the CRT is what true gamers use IMO...... LCD's are nice, but still not quite as good as a CRT for gaming, and very exspensive, a cost I don't think is justified for me, like the P4EE.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Just remember guys, he who dies with the most toys, still dies! Mark has one of the sweetest setups on the boards here, but I hope he does more productive things with it than game the majority of the time, because that would be like using his RX8 solely as a grocery getter :laugh:

It spends all of its like (while powered up) running 2 instances of F@H to help medical science cure cancer, parkinsons,etc... and to capture and print my pictures, play games, and encode home movies of my son (single parent). The RX-8 on the other hand only goes out on weekends to have fun, while my commuter car is a saturn, and my truck is for hauling my sand rail.

And thanks for the comments dapunisher !

And the CRT is what true gamers use IMO...... LCD's are nice, but still not quite as good as a CRT for gaming, and very exspensive, a cost I don't think is justified for me, like the P4EE.

Yes, CRT's are definitely better overall... I can't see how unless you have extra $ to spend, you would buy an LCD, much like the P4EE..

 

[FelixDeCat]

I have a SyncMaster 175v I bought in August 2003 and love the 450 to 1 contrast ratio. :thumbsup:

Being that I am the coolest guy in this forum and people envy my CPU, now they can envy my LCD as well. :beer:

 

[Shenkoa]

Scaling the P4C was what gave it power, Intel never makes much of an architecture improvement exept for raising cache. AMD's approach has never mainly been scaling but they improve the architecture and find other ways of increasing performance. Since the A64 released, AMD has been doing both scaling and adding architecture improvements. These 2 methods combined is making AMD keep up with Intel verl well.

I do not agree with taking an old architecture and adding BS such as cach and scaling the FSB to high heaven. Such as the EE, a wopping 3.4 Ghz, 3 MB of L3 cache I mean god! thats a monster rig and the price is very high. AMD's Athlon FX and the clawhammer's above 3400+ are a very sweet combination of frequency, features and architecture which is more then I can say about the mamouth POS EE. I love the P4 C's despite a few negatives such as 20 stage pipeline, HT and the 800 MHz FSB made it a superb CPU for the time. But that architecture is old and its no longer getting faster with age, it now needs an oxygen tank and life support to keep up with newer AMD CPU's. I mean yeah you can give it some crack and run it at 4 GHz but thats still a poor exuse. The frequency differents is getting more and more with Intel and AMD. It really does not matter if you just want RAW speed, Intel may be a little bit faster but look at all the stuff Intel has that AMD does not, a 4 GHz frequency, HT and superior memory bandwidth.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

As with most things LCD vs CRT is a trade-off either way, and for myself living in balmy Central Florida, having multiple systems running 24/7 on whichever project my team needs help with the most, the added heat production of the CRTs was making it too damned hot in here after being on for a bit. The thermidstat is in another room and I'd had to set it lower to compensate for the temp in the computer room. Moving to LCDs largely alleviated the heat issue and that alone makes LCDs more economical for me in the long term :light: . The conclusion on my part being that I need the substantially reduced heat output more than anything a CRT has to offer over LCD, and LCD actually provides a cost benefit to me by allowing me to set the temp higher.

Needs vary and many will find a CRT the better selection, but I hope I have shown that there are reasons beyond having money to burn for choosing an LCD over CRT

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I have a SyncMaster 175v I bought in August 2003 and love the 450 to 1 contrast ratio. :thumbsup:

Being that I am the coolest guy in this forum and people envy my CPU, now they can envy my LCD as well. :beer:

If this dosen't demonstrate that Felix just enjoys working you guys into a frenzy AKA Pavlov effect, then nothing will He probably doesn't even feel nearly as strongly as his posts of late suggest, he just enjoys making some salivate when he rings da bell :laugh: