Your summary of the Bush presidency (2001-2009)

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Elias824

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He created a gigantic increase in govt, and a giant decrease in civil rights, increased the deficit vastly, how is this close to being conservative? but hey I got a tax break!
The Iraq war reminds me of one of those things you do when your drunk, that seems like a good idea at the time, but afterward you just keep saying WTF was I thinking.
 
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Some of my friends died in a meaningless war which I place squarely on Bush's shoulders; how do you think I feel about him?
 
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He was able to create rift in this country so wide as we haven't seen since the Civil War.
Stubborness doesn't equate to moral integrity
He brought stupidity to a whole new level.
there are just so many...
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we," -- Washington, August 5, 2004

A rare honest moment.

...We must never stop thinking about how best to defend our country when we all must always be forward-thinking.


A slip up for sure... but not as bad when put in full context.
 

smokeyjoe

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Unequivocal support and expansion of the military-industrial complex that ultimately controls America and utter disregard for the American citizens who are ultimately supposed to control America.
 

Atheus

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George Bush II was a dark pit into which all respect for America slowly sank over eight long years.
 

heyheybooboo

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Summary of the Bush (Cheney) presidency:

"" An unmatched near fundamental FAILure of gov't policy, ethics, organization, leadership and responsibility that will impact the United States and the world community for generations to come ""

 

NaughtyGeek

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A continuation of previous administrations with a much more brazen and overt disregard for the will and needs of the American public as well as the founding principles of this nation.

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The administration that officially declared and made public the fact that we have no say in government affairs and never will again.
 

smokeyjoe

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Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
Right or wrong, he is the epitome of a decisive executive, something Carter was not.

I think a lot of Bushs' decisions could be termed as authoritarian.

Sad thing about Carter and all president's legacy is that it is usually determined by how the economy was under their reign and how well America faired militarily. Economic conditions are usually inherited and unfortunately under Carter there was high inflation and oil shortages. He was also criticized for giving Panama control over the canal; and also the whole Iranian Embassy hostage thing.

Anyway, I don't mean to make a huge debate out of this.. I just think Carter got shafted a bit. I guess he was the wrong man at the wrong time. But I don't think Bush could be the right man at any time.
 

Xellos2099

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I say he did a pretty damn good job consider that there is no terrorism attack on US soil after he actively fight against terrorism after 9/11. And who care if he wiretap people if that can help prevent another 9/11. To be honest, would you prefer to have government listening on your phoen call or have another terrorist attack in US.

He also mention that there would eb problem if the bank don't monitor the subprime mortgage and the democrat simply ignored him and say ti is insane to think so and guess what happen?
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I say he did a pretty damn good job consider that there is no terrorism attack on US soil after he actively fight against terrorism after 9/11. And who care if he wiretap people if that can help prevent another 9/11. To be honest, would you prefer to have government listening on your phoen call or have another terrorist attack in US.

He also mention that there would eb problem if the bank don't monitor the subprime mortgage and the democrat simply ignored him and say ti is insane to think so and guess what happen?

That ... and of course, he was on vacation for 5 weeks in Crawford before 9/11.
 

smokeyjoe

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Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I say he did a pretty damn good job consider that there is no terrorism attack on US soil after he actively fight against terrorism after 9/11. And who care if he wiretap people if that can help prevent another 9/11. To be honest, would you prefer to have government listening on your phoen call or have another terrorist attack in US.

He also mention that there would eb problem if the bank don't monitor the subprime mortgage and the democrat simply ignored him and say ti is insane to think so and guess what happen?

I'd say he did a pretty horrible job of preventing 9/11 given the volumes of information that pointed to an attack on US soil. In particular a very specific Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." dated August 6, 2001. Of course the blame is not just on W. but on many of his appointed Cabinet members.

And there are lots of people who are concerned that they are being illegally wiretapped by our government. This is shades of fascism. As is the imprisonment of hundreds of people without being charged and torturing them for information. Yes, that is a concern to me.
 

Bird222

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Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I say he did a pretty damn good job consider that there is no terrorism attack on US soil after he actively fight against terrorism after 9/11. And who care if he wiretap people if that can help prevent another 9/11. To be honest, would you prefer to have government listening on your phoen call or have another terrorist attack in US.

He also mention that there would eb problem if the bank don't monitor the subprime mortgage and the democrat simply ignored him and say ti is insane to think so and guess what happen?

Of course I don't want a terrorist attack, but I would have to say I want privacy more. BTW, we haven't been attacked by the purple people eater on his watch either.
 

Possessed Freak

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Originally posted by: smokeyjoe
Originally posted by: Possessed Freak
Right or wrong, he is the epitome of a decisive executive, something Carter was not.

He was also criticized for giving Panama control over the canal; and also the whole Iranian Embassy hostage thing.

This is what I meant in the direct comparison of Bush and Carter. I view Carter as the weakest president we have had in a long time. I view Bush as one of the strongest. In no way am I stating that I agree or disagree with either of their decisions, but Bush at least made decisive decisions...
 

Xellos2099

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So let say your family is on a trip to Chicago's Sear tower and it got terrorist attack and everyone die. If wiretapping can help prevent this, would you still say that your privacy is more important specially if you got nothing to hide from the government? You might call this hindsight 20/20, but it really isn't.