Your entire party is a dumpster fire

[realibrad]

There is no safe haven for the ugliness that supports Trump and there shouldn't be. No polite conversation is possible with the purposely ignorant. No polite conversation can be had with people who choose to support a treasonous, corrupt, traitorous Administration headed by an evil thing. By choosing Trump it is a blatant admission to HATE. I don't hate Republicans, I loath Trumpublicans. The GOP and supporters AND defenders of Trump ARE Trumpublicans. This Administration has proven that no matter what they bring forward (even if on the rare occasion it's reasonable) must be stopped. They are working from a place of corruption first. Let the decent people sort it out. They may be fallible but they aren't evil to their core. The circle jerk that they are forcing the country to behold must be shut down and replaced with reasonable/moral Republicans. If you see it any other way you are part of the disease. Diseases? They must be cured with ZERO tolerance.

Zero tolerance such as working through the system to stop their agenda, or do you mean what some others have said which is violence?

 

[Younigue]

We can't be passive in the face of bigotry and injustice.

I agree! And part of why I am so angry is because I was convinced that tolerance and acceptance was on a wonderful and progressive trajectory. It was naive and heartbreaking to discover it's been taken hostage by a HATE Administration who embolden a group of people that had begun to learn that if not wrong (because come on, the purposely stupid fight tooth and nail for their right to be ugly and wrong) that they had better keep their filthy thoughts to themselves and they had better behave decently in a society that WILL NOT tolerate them. I don't want to be a HATE COUNTRY. It is therefore my duty to have zero tolerance for those who would willingly make it so.

It's ridiculous to me that there are people suggesting tolerance for the intolerant. Suggesting reasonable conversation with people who are so fundamentally wrong on a humanity level (By Choice) is useless. These people aren't confused. Their eyes are Wide Open. If they were confused I would see value in trying to lead them in another direction sans the hate and divisiveness. I do NOT need them to agree with me politically. I need them to reject and eject the hate campaign. That they are instead congregated with glossed over eyes and drooling/vomiting the corrupt talking points of a corrupt Trump and GOP... They are a cult. Tough Love mothereffers! It's all you deserve!

 

[Younigue]

Looks like whatever party you affiliate with is also the party of hate 🙂

Cheers

Just the deplorables baby doll. They wanted a platform, you can't be surprised to learn that they MUST be shut down. Not because of their political leanings per se but because hate is their agenda. Hating hate? You should not have to be told that hating hate is the righteous ground.

 

[jackstar7]

Just the deplorables baby doll. They wanted a platform, you can't be surprised to learn that they MUST be shut down. Not because of their political leanings per se but because hate is their agenda. Hating hate? You should not have to be told that hating hate is the righteous ground.

It's funny when things need to be simplified and binary for folks and when things are very nuanced and there's lots of gray area.

 

[Younigue]

Zero tolerance such as working through the system to stop their agenda, or do you mean what some others have said which is violence?

Idiot. No violence. I'd slap you except my instinct is never physical violence but I will aggressively speak my mind to the trash calling themselves valuable in a political conversation.

 

[realibrad]

Idiot. No violence. I'd slap you except my instinct is never physical violence but I will aggressively speak my mind to the trash calling themselves valuable in a political conversation.

Well I did not imply that you wanted violence. The reason I asked is because multiple people here have called for violence as the way to stop Trump and his supporters. The whole punch a Nazi thing. If you want to fight trump with this passion but not violence, then I support that. Trump and his agenda should be stopped when its harmful and it usually has been. What I dont support are when people, not you, call for attacking people violently because they are Trump supporters.

So idiot back at you I suppose.

 

[Younigue]

Well I did not imply that you wanted violence. The reason I asked is because multiple people here have called for violence as the way to stop Trump and his supporters. The whole punch a Nazi thing. If you want to fight trump with this passion but not violence, then I support that. Trump and his agenda should be stopped when its harmful and it usually has been. What I dont support are when people, not you, call for attacking people violently because they are Trump supporters.

So idiot back at you I suppose.

I'll take that.

Though I do not condone "punch a Nazi" I admit to not (in this instance) caring about it. I mostly just keep my mouth shut about it. If I were in the proximity of a punched Nazi, my instinct would be to tend to him while simultaneously despising him.

 

[realibrad]

I'll take that.

Though I do not condone "punch a Nazi" I admit to not (in this instance) caring about it. I mostly just keep my mouth shut about it. If I were in the proximity of a punched Nazi, my instinct would be to tend to him while simultaneously despising him.

I would consider that the healthy humane thing to do. Sadly that is not the view of everyone. There are some on here that I worry dehumanize Trump supporters which with enough anger COULD lead to some horrible outcomes. If you are passionate and motivated while having it restrained by logic and compassion when its needed, then good on you. I believe you and I have disagreed on other things, but if I am understanding your position correctly, then I 100% support you. Nothing wrong with passion inherently and often it leads to good things if used correctly.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Idiot. No violence. I'd slap you except my instinct is never physical violence but I will aggressively speak my mind to the trash calling themselves valuable in a political conversation.

Read through this and a couple earlier posts of yours, since you raise a topic much in my mind lately.

The bashing of the "losing" opposition long after taking office, the profligacy of lying with lies on top of lies with more and more lies, the tone -- everything about the toxic presidency -- is a form of assault.

That is why it is dangerous. And it is why I worry that the president might be shot.

I'd prefer beating or strangulation. Maybe someone could invite the Bastard-in-Chief to appear on WWWF Smackdown, which he might do to enhance his ratings.

I intend to simply continue efforts to coordinate a boycott of Trumpie-Sympathizer business, hoping that they can be destroyed. Until we raise America back from being Lower than Crocodile Piss, I don't care about "business losses," especially that of the post-Confederate diehards and crazies.

 

[Younigue]

I would consider that the healthy humane thing to do. Sadly that is not the view of everyone. There are some on here that I worry dehumanize Trump supporters which with enough anger COULD lead to some horrible outcomes. If you are passionate and motivated while having it restrained by logic and compassion when its needed, then good on you. I believe you and I have disagreed on other things, but if I am understanding your position correctly, then I 100% support you. Nothing wrong with passion inherently and often it leads to good things if used correctly.

Well of course you aren't in a position to know this about me but I think violence is absurd and on the very rare occasion it has occurred in front of me I think all involved (No matter which position I would personally agree with) are choosing to be the lowest form of themselves.

I have, since the ushering in of the Trump Era questioned the depth of my anger and contemplated reining it in but I can not. I have a billion nieces and nephews and great- nieces and nephews. Young adults I mean to not only inspire to vote but to accept ALL people (except those who do not!) and use their votes to promote such.

* they experience a much softer version of what I do here. Lucky for me not a single one of them has hate in their souls, so the task isn't difficult. Two and a half of them are Republican (which technically boils down to they love their guns).

 

[realibrad]

Well of course you aren't in a position to know this about me but I think violence is absurd and on the very rare occasion it has occurred in front of me I think all involved (No matter which position I would personally agree with) are choosing to be the lowest form of themselves.

I have, since the ushering in of the Trump Era questioned the depth of my anger and contemplated reining it in but I can not. I have a billion nieces and nephews and great- nieces and nephews. Young adults I mean to not only inspire to vote but to accept ALL people (except those who do not!) and use their votes to promote such.

* they experience a much softer version of what I do here. Lucky for me not a single one of them has hate in their souls, so the task isn't difficult. Two and a half of them are Republican (which technically boils down to they love their guns).

Without trying to get too far in over my head, I would say that nothing has happened yet that cannot be undone. So far I think this has been a good learning experience of what can happen for a lot of people out there. I could easily see Trump doing something that cannot be undone and it worries me, but as of right now in year 1 we have done okay. We are starting to see some of the internal buffers kick in and push back. Not enough mind you, but they are starting up.

What I advocate for, is victory over bad ideas without harming the country as much as possible. There are far too many people on the Left that are so angry that they are willing to do unnecessary damage. That is a page from the Right's book that I wish the Left would not take. What makes the Left strong is that they for a while have been the compassionate and reasonable side. Its hard to have compassion in a time like this, and I can understand a misstep, but reason has to win out here. Trump and his bad ideas can only be defeated by good ideas. In no way is that a call to hug Nazis, but, maybe lets not burn it all down at least.

 

[Younigue]

Without trying to get too far in over my head, I would say that nothing has happened yet that cannot be undone. So far I think this has been a good learning experience of what can happen for a lot of people out there. I could easily see Trump doing something that cannot be undone and it worries me, but as of right now in year 1 we have done okay. We are starting to see some of the internal buffers kick in and push back. Not enough mind you, but they are starting up.

What I advocate for, is victory over bad ideas without harming the country as much as possible. There are far too many people on the Left that are so angry that they are willing to do unnecessary damage. That is a page from the Right's book that I wish the Left would not take. What makes the Left strong is that they for a while have been the compassionate and reasonable side. Its hard to have compassion in a time like this, and I can understand a misstep, but reason has to win out here. Trump and his bad ideas can only be defeated by good ideas. In no way is that a call to hug Nazis, but, maybe lets not burn it all down at least.

So, of course there are some who appear to want to "burn it all down" but that is not how I perceive the lefts anger. Many on the left also give the impression they want the Republican party to be burned to the ground but again, I don't believe that is what they want. Opposition is healthy and necessary for balance. What I have been seeing is a bunch of people on the left wanting to dispute and debate a sane Republican party but what we're faced with is the indoctrinated, the brainwashed, the insane, the blindly devoted cult members. These people are coming out in droves to display their intolerance and profound commitment to being and STAYING small, ugly and disgusting. Every political topic exposes their why's and it's always on the necks of others and at the expense of anyone but themselves, all the better if they get to somehow believe it will hurt who they deem to be their inferiors because for some reason they must put themselves above. The Trumpublicans (and opportunists) are a plague. There is no part of me that believes it isn't intentional on their part but that doesn't mean many (far too many) of them have the intellectual ability or foresight to comprehend the ramifications. The GOP does... The country they are hoping to build will be a lawless, soulless, one note, shit hole.

 

[woolfe9998]

Well I did not imply that you wanted violence. The reason I asked is because multiple people here have called for violence as the way to stop Trump and his supporters. The whole punch a Nazi thing. If you want to fight trump with this passion but not violence, then I support that. Trump and his agenda should be stopped when its harmful and it usually has been. What I dont support are when people, not you, call for attacking people violently because they are Trump supporters.

So idiot back at you I suppose.

You realize that you have now several times conflated Nazis with Trump supporters in general? I find that kind of hilarious, actually. IIRC all of the prior discussion that you're referring to where a few people advocated violence had to do with Nazis, not "Trump supporters." But if you want to keep equating the two, go right ahead.

 

[Younigue]

Without trying to get too far in over my head, I would say that nothing has happened yet that cannot be undone. So far I think this has been a good learning experience of what can happen for a lot of people out there. I could easily see Trump doing something that cannot be undone and it worries me, but as of right now in year 1 we have done okay. We are starting to see some of the internal buffers kick in and push back. Not enough mind you, but they are starting up.

What I advocate for, is victory over bad ideas without harming the country as much as possible. There are far too many people on the Left that are so angry that they are willing to do unnecessary damage. That is a page from the Right's book that I wish the Left would not take. What makes the Left strong is that they for a while have been the compassionate and reasonable side. Its hard to have compassion in a time like this, and I can understand a misstep, but reason has to win out here. Trump and his bad ideas can only be defeated by good ideas. In no way is that a call to hug Nazis, but, maybe lets not burn it all down at least.

Also, every move Trump and Punks make have real world long term ramifications. 1 year of it? The writing is on the wall with everything they do. Living in the today when they are hurting the future is unacceptable. Yes, much of it can be undone but the recovery in so many instances will be expensive and arduous. Nah, one year of their presence alone is too much. It doesn't help that Trumpublicans are thanking and gushing over their rapists.

 

[Younigue]

You realize that you have now several times conflated Nazis with Trump supporters in general? I find that kind of hilarious, actually. IIRC all of the prior discussion that you're referring to where a few people advocated violence had to do with Nazis, not "Trump supporters." But if you want to keep equating the two, go right ahead.

They are one in the same in the case of all Nazi's I would presume. That's not to say ALL Trumpublicans are Nazi's just that all Nazi's are Trumpublicans. That seems accurate.

 

[woolfe9998]

They are one in the same in the case of all Nazi's I would presume. That's not to say ALL Trumpublicans are Nazi's just that all Nazi's are Trumpublicans. That seems accurate.

Yes, I agree with that. But Realibrad is discussing the two groups completely interchangeably, referring to them as "nazis"
in one sentence and "Trump supporters" in the next. I find that quite amusing. Also, I think it's important to clarify that those few people who have advocated violence were discussing Nazis in particular, not Trump supporters in general.

 

[realibrad]

You realize that you have now several times conflated Nazis with Trump supporters in general? I find that kind of hilarious, actually. IIRC all of the prior discussion that you're referring to where a few people advocated violence had to do with Nazis, not "Trump supporters." But if you want to keep equating the two, go right ahead.

You are wrong. I am saying that people advocate violence against Trump supporters, and they are calling it Punch a Nazi. That is the phrasing those people use, and I used it to refer to them. I do not think Trump supporters are inherently Nazis.

 

[woolfe9998]

You are wrong. I am saying that people advocate violence against Trump supporters, and they are calling it Punch a Nazi. That is the phrasing those people use, and I used it to refer to them. I do not think Trump supporters are inherently Nazis.

Could you please provide a link where people advocated violence against Trump supporters in general who are not specifically Nazis? Perhaps someone did say such a thing and I didn't read it or don't recall. What I do recall is that all of those discussions which I read had to do with Nazis and Nazis only.

 

[realibrad]

Also, every move Trump and Punks make have real world long term ramifications. 1 year of it? The writing is on the wall with everything they do. Living in the today when they are hurting the future is unacceptable. Yes, much of it can be undone but the recovery in so many instances will be expensive and arduous. Nah, one year of their presence alone is too much. It doesn't help that Trumpublicans are thanking and gushing over their rapists.

I think this country needed a wake up call and Trump is it. For far too long we have treated politics as a popularity contest and not voted people in that we thought could or would do a good job. Seeing what Trump can and is doing shows that we need to do better. Even the Right I think is starting to understand this. What I fear is attacking them beyond speech and reason will lead to them digging in their heals and ignoring what is happening.

 

[realibrad]

Could you please provide a link where people advocated violence against Trump supporters in general who are not specifically Nazis? Perhaps someone did say such a thing and I didn't read it or don't recall. What I do recall is that all of those discussions which I read had to do with Nazis and Nazis only.

Jack was one of those people. I may or may not dig it up, as its been many posts ago. It was during the popularity of punch a Nazi after the racist rally.

 

[woolfe9998]

Jack was one of those people. I may or may not dig it up, as its been many posts ago. It was during the popularity of punch a Nazi after the racist rally.

I don't dispute that a few people around here said they agreed with punching Nazis. If memory serves, J.Wilkins was one of them. I just don't recall that any of them were discussing Trump supporters in general. I don't think anyone extended it beyond Nazis in particular.

Your earlier phrasing implied that you were the one equating the two. Good thing you clarified that.

 

[Younigue]

Yes, I agree with that. But Realibrad is discussing the two groups completely interchangeably, referring to them as "nazis"
in one sentence and "Trump supporters" in the next. I find that quite amusing. Also, I think it's important to clarify that those few people who have advocated violence were discussing Nazis in particular, not Trump supporters in general.

I won't presume to think realibrad believes that all Trump supporters are Nazi's.

Violence against Nazi's, I don't support it but I would have to have a serious deep conversation with myself about a willingness to have some of their rights being tread upon. After all, the Nazi point of view would steal the rights of certain people of freedom and life.

Any way, unless realibrad outright tells me he thinks Nazi's and Trump's supporters are interchangeable I'm willing to believe he knows that's not true.

 

[realibrad]

I don't dispute that a few people around here said they agreed with punching Nazis. If memory serves, J.Wilkins was one of them. I just don't recall that any of them were discussing Trump supporters in general. I don't think anyone extended it beyond Nazis in particular.

Your earlier phrasing implied that you were the one equating the two. Good thing you clarified that.

It was probably the thread where I was the one calling out J Wilkins as he was going pretty extreme and I called him out for it.

No, my earlier phrasing did not imply that. You have to view what I said through a filter I did not establish to get that idea.

 

[realibrad]

I won't presume to think realibrad believes that all Trump supporters are Nazi's.

Violence against Nazi's, I don't support it but I would have to have a serious deep conversation with myself about a willingness to have some of their rights being tread upon. After all, the Nazi point of view would steal the rights of certain people of freedom and life.

Any way, unless realibrad outright tells me he thinks Nazi's and Trump's supporters are interchangeable I'm willing to believe he knows that's not true.

Yep, I don't personally think Nazis and Trump supporters are one in the same.

As for taking away the rights of those who would take away your rights if they could to me does not change anything in terms of giving them their rights. It gets damn annoying hearing people say dumb things, but its far more important to make sure they have the right to say it. It takes far more work to argue back, but its so damn important that we do that and not suppress bad ideas by taking away that right. Its just too easy to abuse and go too far.

And, before Jack jumps in, I'm not saying that Nazi's spouting their ideas is a neutral thing. Its just that the power to take away that right will always get abused and its just too dangerous of a precedent to have happen. Historically, its been used by every major evil person that we are taught about.

 

[Younigue]

I think this country needed a wake up call and Trump is it. For far too long we have treated politics as a popularity contest and not voted people in that we thought could or would do a good job. Seeing what Trump can and is doing shows that we need to do better. Even the Right I think is starting to understand this. What I fear is attacking them beyond speech and reason will lead to them digging in their heals and ignoring what is happening.

I very reluctantly agree. I push that thought to the back of my mind about the necessary wake up call.

I disagree that anything the left is doing is making them dig their heals in. That may have been true before the Trump Era to some degree but now? Their heals are dug in deep along with their heads. One might think that ability would suggest flexibility but all it really is, is them ass up to the hate message and the rape Trump and Punks are continuously perpetrating upon their poor sore asses.