Your entire party is a dumpster fire

[woolfe9998]

I won't presume to think realibrad believes that all Trump supporters are Nazi's.

Violence against Nazi's, I don't support it but I would have to have a serious deep conversation with myself about a willingness to have some of their rights being tread upon. After all, the Nazi point of view would steal the rights of certain people of freedom and life.

Any way, unless realibrad outright tells me he thinks Nazi's and Trump's supporters are interchangeable I'm willing to believe he knows that's not true.

No, I don't think he actually equates the two. I was amused because his posts were implying that he did, when what he was actually doing was implying that other posters had advocated punching "Trump supporters" which IIRC is not true. They advocated punching "Nazis."

So far as Nazis, I'm with you. I don't advocate violence. However, if someone saw their way clear to slipping a laxative into the chili pot at their next "rally" I might not be too distraught.

 

[blackangst1]

Just the deplorables baby doll. They wanted a platform, you can't be surprised to learn that they MUST be shut down. Not because of their political leanings per se but because hate is their agenda. Hating hate? You should not have to be told that hating hate is the righteous ground.

Oh...the deplorables. I would assume you mean extremists? If so, I agree with you. Fact is, D's and R's have more in common than not. For example:

The biggest differences usually come from the extremes. I mean, in politics, you have the progressive left...Sanders, Leahy, Durbin...and on the right you have Enzi, McConnell, Cornyn. Public movements you have antifa on the left and on the right you have Minutemen and alt-right. All the senetors AND movements I listed are crazy as fuck. The problem, IMHO, is *most* people on the right think all Democrats are as twisted as Antifa and those on the left think all Republicans are as crazy as the alt-right. Hell...it happens on this board every time I post. Im legitimately in the middle. Im a registered Independent, and have voted both Republican AND Democrat. There are ideals from both parties that I support. But again, as evidenced even in this thread, if I disagree with some negative comment about Trump, all of a sudden Im a Trumpeteer, a Drumpf-ette, or whatever the word of the day is. Fuck an A...I didnt even vote for the man. Oh...and then I get called out for "bothsidsism". Fuck yes I am. I got a foot on both sides. IMHO those who pick one side and one side only are shallow, non-thinking simpletons. Again, just my opinion.

Im summary, its not politicians that are causing rifts in our nation. It US. Its the PEOPLE. We're too quick to judge, too quick to label, and unwilling to admit there could possibly be valid points on opinions opposite of our own.

 

[Younigue]

Yep, I don't personally think Nazis and Trump supporters are one in the same.

As for taking away the rights of those who would take away your rights if they could to me does not change anything in terms of giving them their rights. It gets damn annoying hearing people say dumb things, but its far more important to make sure they have the right to say it. It takes far more work to argue back, but its so damn important that we do that and not suppress bad ideas by taking away that right. Its just too easy to abuse and go too far.

And, before Jack jumps in, I'm not saying that Nazi's spouting their ideas is a neutral thing. Its just that the power to take away that right will always get abused and its just too dangerous of a precedent to have happen. Historically, its been used by every major evil person that we are taught about.

I didn't say I would, I said I'd have to have a serious conversation with myself about my willingness to allow it. I'm a freedom of speech chick through and through but that does not mean that I don't hate it at times.

 

[realibrad]

I very reluctantly agree. I push that thought to the back of my mind about the necessary wake up call.

I disagree that anything the left is doing is making them dig their heals in. That may have been true before the Trump Era to some degree but now? Their heals are dug in deep along with their heads. One might think that ability would suggest flexibility but all it really is, is them ass up to the hate message and the rape Trump and Punks are continuously perpetuating upon their poor sore asses.

Eh, it can depending. Attacking ideas likely wont, but attacking people sure will. The Right is always going to feel attacked, a la war on Christmas type of thing. The anger from the left just has to stay measured.

 

[Younigue]

Oh...the deplorables. I would assume you mean extremists? If so, I agree with you. Fact is, D's and R's have more in common than not. For example:

The biggest differences usually come from the extremes. I mean, in politics, you have the progressive left...Sanders, Leahy, Durbin...and on the right you have Enzi, McConnell, Cornyn. Public movements you have antifa on the left and on the right you have Minutemen and alt-right. All the senetors AND movements I listed are crazy as fuck. The problem, IMHO, is *most* people on the right think all Democrats are as twisted as Antifa and those on the left think all Republicans are as crazy as the alt-right. Hell...it happens on this board every time I post. Im legitimately in the middle. Im a registered Independent, and have voted both Republican AND Democrat. There are ideals from both parties that I support. But again, as evidenced even in this thread, if I disagree with some negative comment about Trump, all of a sudden Im a Trumpeteer, a Drumpf-ette, or whatever the word of the day is. Fuck an A...I didnt even vote for the man. Oh...and then I get called out for "bothsidsism". Fuck yes I am. I got a foot on both sides. IMHO those who pick one side and one side only are shallow, non-thinking simpletons. Again, just my opinion.

Im summary, its not politicians that are causing rifts in our nation. It US. Its the PEOPLE. We're too quick to judge, too quick to label, and unwilling to admit there could possibly be valid points on opinions opposite of our own.

I'm super progressive with some conservative views here and there. This bothsideism thing in normal circumstances makes complete sense to me. This Administration is promoting nothing I see that deserves legitimate right leaning backing. They are corrupt and many of them possibly treasonous. IMHO that is why you are being attacked. This Administration can't be trusted so their policies and agendas, all of them, are suspect. They are attaching taint to everything they are doing or saying. Just because you might agree with one thing they are doing does not mean you should support it because of the insidious caveats. Trump is making the GOP sick. I don't care how reluctant or willing they are participating, they're allowing it. It's not difficult to see that they should be stopped even if that means Trump's removal and a free pass for them to hit the refresh button.

 

[Younigue]

No, I don't think he actually equates the two. I was amused because his posts were implying that he did, when what he was actually doing was implying that other posters had advocated punching "Trump supporters" which IIRC is not true. They advocated punching "Nazis."

So far as Nazis, I'm with you. I don't advocate violence. However, if someone saw their way clear to slipping a laxative into the chili pot at their next "rally" I might not be too distraught.

LOL. Do it! I dare you!

 

[Younigue]

Eh, it can depending. Attacking ideas likely wont, but attacking people sure will. The Right is always going to feel attacked, a la war on Christmas type of thing. The anger from the left just has to stay measured.

I don't think it's possible to remain measured in the face of hate scoring wins.

 

[blackangst1]

I'm super progressive with some conservative views here and there. This bothsideism thing in normal circumstances makes complete sense to me. This Administration is promoting nothing I see that deserves legitimate right leaning backing. They are corrupt and many of them possibly treasonous. IMHO that is why you are being attacked. This Administration can't be trusted so their policies and agendas, all of them, are suspect. They are attaching taint to everything they are doing or saying. Just because you might agree with one thing they are doing does not mean you should support it because of the insidious caveats. Trump is making the GOP sick. I don't care how reluctant or willing they are participating, they're allowing it. It's not difficult to see that they should be stopped even if that means Trump's removal and a free pass for them to hit the refresh button.

And again, I *do* support *some* of Trumps ideas. Lower taxation for everyone including corporations, for example. Now, does that mean I support the way in which lower taxation was done? Well, not Im kind of meh about it. Congress could've easily pulled the $1.5T over 10 years out of the military budget which wouldve resulted in about a drop of about 3% per year for military. Thats doable.

Slowing down illegal immigration is another. I live in AZ and I can tell you its a HUGE problem. The great thing is nothing significant has been done insofar as immigration, yet illegal immigration is the lowest its been in 17 years. Sometimes just a threat can give coyotes pause about smuggling people in.

Anyway.

 

[realibrad]

I didn't say I would, I said I'd have to have a serious conversation with myself about my willingness to allow it. I'm a freedom of speech chick through and through but that does not mean that I don't hate it at times.

Fair enough.

 

[realibrad]

I don't think it's possible to remain measured in the face of hate scoring wins.

I have a mother in law you can train with...

 

[Puffnstuff]

Slowing down illegal immigration is another. I live in AZ and I can tell you its a HUGE problem. The great thing is nothing significant has been done insofar as immigration, yet illegal immigration is the lowest its been in 17 years. Sometimes just a threat can give coyotes pause about smuggling people in.

I had a coworker who lived along the AZ border and she used to tell me about how they would break into her house on a regular basis and steal her food. When I lived in Dona Ana County, NM my work for the county took me along the border on a regular basis where I witnessed illegal crossings firsthand. That little honor system international marker that stood just a couple of feet high did nothing to deter them.

 

[blackangst1]

I had a coworker who lived along the AZ border and she used to tell me about how they would break into her house on a regular basis and steal her food. When I lived in Dona Ana County, NM my work for the county took me along the border on a regular basis where I witnessed illegal crossings firsthand. That little honor system international marker that stood just a couple of feet high did nothing to deter them.

Years ago there used to be a website (cant remember what it was or if its still in operation) you could go to to watch cameras along the border live, 24 hours a day. I remember a buddy of mine and I on our down time at work would watch, and would regularly see group crossing. Almost every day. Its crazy. The show Border Wars on Nat Geo is a pretty good representation of what goes on.

 

[Younigue]

I have a mother in law you can train with...

No thank you. For the time being I'm fine with meeting hate with utter disdain and unwillingness to tolerate it.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Years ago there used to be a website (cant remember what it was or if its still in operation) you could go to to watch cameras along the border live, 24 hours a day. I remember a buddy of mine and I on our down time at work would watch, and would regularly see group crossing. Almost every day. Its crazy. The show Border Wars on Nat Geo is a pretty good representation of what goes on.

I will never forget when I lived in Las Cruces. When I would go down to Ft. Bliss we drove I-10 overlooking the Rio Grande. We could always see people crossing through the holes in the border fence. That's right it was nothing more than a dilapidated chain link fence with man size holes cut into it for the illegals to step through. Most times there would be two streams of people at any given hour. One group was coming in and the other was going back home.

 

[blackangst1]

I will never forget when I lived in Las Cruces. When I would go down to Ft. Bliss we drove I-10 overlooking the Rio Grande. We could always see people crossing through the holes in the border fence. That's right it was nothing more than a dilapidated chain link fence with man size holes cut into it for the illegals to step through. Most times there would be two streams of people at any given hour. One group was coming in and the other was going back home.

Crazy, isnt it? Maybe we should adopt the same rules Mexico has for illegals crossing into their southern border? LOL

 

[Younigue]

And again, I *do* support *some* of Trumps ideas. Lower taxation for everyone including corporations, for example. Now, does that mean I support the way in which lower taxation was done? Well, not Im kind of meh about it. Congress could've easily pulled the $1.5T over 10 years out of the military budget which wouldve resulted in about a drop of about 3% per year for military. Thats doable.

Slowing down illegal immigration is another. I live in AZ and I can tell you its a HUGE problem. The great thing is nothing significant has been done insofar as immigration, yet illegal immigration is the lowest its been in 17 years. Sometimes just a threat can give coyotes pause about smuggling people in.

Anyway.

Threat? Or no longer being a country worth dreaming to be a part of? That's what America had going for it... Take it away? Shit hole.

That tax plan is a joke and not intended for "everyone". But then I don't believe in lowering taxes as long as those taxes also go toward the people... Healthcare, education, daycare... etc. It's an absurd fight. Pay your taxes just make sure the government uses them in the most beneficial way. I truly believe with true benefits to the people they wouldn't cry about taxes.

 

[blackangst1]

Threat? Or no longer being a country worth dreaming to be a part of? That's what America had going for it... Take it away? Shit hole.

That tax plan is a joke and not intended for "everyone". But then I don't believe in lowering taxes as long as those taxes also go toward the people... Healthcare, education, daycare... etc. It's an absurd fight. Pay your taxes just make sure the government uses them in the most beneficial way. I truly believe with true benefits to the people they wouldn't cry about taxes.

No, not or. The US *should* be a country worth immigrating to. LEGALLY.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Crazy, isnt it? Maybe we should adopt the same rules Mexico has for illegals crossing into their southern border? LOL

I believe that our army should man the border with the authority to use deadly force to stop criminal activity entering into our country just like MX uses on their southern border.

 

[Younigue]

No, not or. The US *should* be a country worth immigrating to. LEGALLY.

If it's worth entering, the downtrodden will always be willing to do what it takes to have a better life.

 

[jackstar7]

Why is an American life worth more to you than an immigrant's?

Trick question, you don't value either.

 

[blackangst1]

I believe that our army should man the border with the authority to use deadly force to stop criminal activity entering into our country just like MX uses on their southern border.

In order to do that, the Posse Comitatus Act would need to be overturned.

 

[blackangst1]

If it's worth entering, the downtrodden will always be willing to do what it takes to have a better life.

Understood. And not my point.

 

[blackangst1]

Why is an American life worth more to you than an immigrant's?

Trick question, you don't value either.

Not sure who youre asking, but I dont have issues with immigrants. My wife was one. Its illegal one's I have a problem with. And it has nothing to do with values. We are a nation of rule of law.

 

[jackstar7]

Not sure who youre asking, but I dont have issues with immigrants. My wife was one. Its illegal one's I have a problem with. And it has nothing to do with values. We are a nation of rule of law.*

*Citation needed

It's an ideal, I'd like to believe is true, but it is so clearly not. Injustice is all around us and right now from the top down.

 

[blackangst1]

*Citation needed

It's an ideal, I'll like to believe is true, but it is so clearly not. Injustice is all around us and right now from the top down.

Sure.

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript
http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/overview-rule-law