Your Car is (or will be) Spying on You (WITH POLL)

[OS]

Would this be model year 2009 (fall '08) cars then? Or MY 2008 (fall '07)?

Need to plot if I am gonna get another car, or just keep my current and buy all the parts i want for it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: BigJ
But since you want literal, I guess I'll come up with a literal way. If you're en-route to the store, you're "going to" the store. If you always take a similar way to the store, software can recognize your route and predict where you're going, which really isn't all that complicated to do. It's as simple as comparing routes through a tree.

Hmm..In my city there are several routes to get to one place. Also, there are routes that take you to several places. Comparing routes through a tree? For a million drivers? It isn't as simple as writing a sub-routine.


x = CompareRoutesThroughTree(John Doe)

if (x = SecretariesHouse) {
AlertWife()
}


All done! No, it would be an NP-Hard problem and guess what! Computationally infeasible for millions of people!

My point still stands that it would take trillions of dollars in hardware in order to store the information.

Where did I say millions of people? I cited the example of people wanting to track me. On top of that, if someone wanted to argue doing this on a widespread scale, since we are talking in the future, these calculations become increasingly easier to do on a large scale with advancements.

And again, while the technology may not be there *today*, with the huge advancements in storage we're realizing, it would be downright silly to say that this couldn't be realized within many peoples' lifetimes, and possibly much sooner before that.

On top of that, it's pretty easy to see people using technology for monetary gain right now. Look at the EZ-Pass system. It's as simple as calculating the distance between tolls and finding the average speed. If the average speed was above the speed limit, I don't see what would stop Ez-Pass in conjunction with Law Enforcement from issuing tickets (although interstate could get complicated) in the future. I'm sure, if it hasn't already, will eventually wind up being an issue in the courts.

Here in IL they proposed using the tollway pass system (I-Pass) for speed enforcement. It was met with such strong public opposition that the plan quietly died a few weeks later.

Link on its death? As far as I know this is still being discussed after the plans 'success' in Texas. I'd be very interested if it was actually dead.

I just remember that it was proposed and the public backlash was very severe. The gov/tollway authority buried it for the time being, though once the open road tolling conversions are done maybe we'll see it come up again.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: OS
Would this be model year 2009 (fall '08) cars then? Or MY 2008 (fall '07)?

Need to plot if I am gonna get another car, or just keep my current and buy all the parts i want for it.

Pretty sure the article was refering to the year the cars would be manufactured, not their model year.... so model year 2009

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
big whoop

So you like the idea that everything you do in your car and every where you go can be monitored by the government and car companies?

How does this kind of device invade my right to privacy? Last time I checked, driving on public roads was a public act andappropriately subjected to considerable regulation (e.g., licensing, traffic laws, special laws for minors, etc...).

 

[pinion9]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
big whoop

So you like the idea that everything you do in your car and every where you go can be monitored by the government and car companies?

How does this kind of device invade my right to privacy? Last time I checked, driving on public roads was a public act andappropriately subjected to considerable regulation (e.g., licensing, traffic laws, special laws for minors, etc...).

QFT.

Now, if they let the public have access to the data, it would be a problem. As it is, like you said, "big whoop." And illegal is illegal even if the cops aren't around. Maybe those idiots who street race and do 80 in a 25 should get a ticket in the mail.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: pinion9

Originally posted by: pinion9
and a data sampled at a rate of once per second could be compressed to 1% of its initial size quite easily.

Please provide the algorithm that would do this. At the very least each stamp would need VIN and change from last point. Compression is just not that simple.

You're telling me that if I get on the highway, set cruise control and travel 50 miles at the same speed (let's say 65mph), that you couldn't compress the data to a fraction of its size if it was sampled at once per second.

You mean computer programmers couldn't look at those 2769 sets up data and reduce it to "he went from A to B at an average speed of 65mph, his VIN number is, etc." (with an assumed percent deviation, say 2% from 65) Perhaps not the computer programmers I graduated with (well, with one exception), but certainly there are some of them who are quite brilliant.

Situational types of data, such as driving data, would lend themselves to unique algorithms for compression.

One huge point: do you know how many $25k terrabytes it takes to hit "trillions of dollars"?? Ans: 80 million. While my number for cost may have been low, even an order of magnitude low, "trillions" is ridiculous.

 

[Eli]

I probably won't have a 2008 until about 2020, so I don't have anything to worry about for a while.