I've heard of that type of EDR. The one I was reading about stores about 5 seconds worth of travel data. In the event of crash, the last 5 seconds is saved. That way investigators can tell speed, rpms, gear, steering, and importantly, braking.
I've heard of that type of EDR. The one I was reading about stores about 5 seconds worth of travel data. In the event of crash, the last 5 seconds is saved. That way investigators can tell speed, rpms, gear, steering, and importantly, braking.
PottedMeat
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Progressive does this to an extent ( no GPS monitoring - or so they say ). They give you cash back and a cut on your insurance to put a logger on your OBDII port. It's supposed to collect braking and speed data and other things I'm sure. Hook it up to your computer every 6 months and upload the collected data to get the discount. I'm too lazy though to rummage through the data.
This is the exact type of mentality that is ruining this country.
Who cares if I'm doing nothing wrong? I don't want my GF, my mother, my teachers or anyone else keeping extensive tabs on me, let alone the government.
Why would anyone want to log all the places people go? Imagine the sheer amount of storage that would take! Imagine having to hire analysts to go through it and make sense of it all. Sure, some may like to have the ability to constantly record everyones lives, but it isn't feasible.
Let's assume that there are 50 million drivers, and each driver's day takes up 1 MB of storage. For 1 day, there would be 50,000,000 MB of storage (or 50 terabytes) of storage FOR 1 DAY! No matter how rich your company is, you would not be able to afford it, nor would you be able to afford all the storage space, cooling, power, and equipment and staff to support that storage.
Not feasible. Never going to happen.
Let's assume that there are 50 million drivers, and each driver's day takes up 1 MB of storage. For 1 day, there would be 50,000,000 MB of storage (or 50 terabytes) of storage FOR 1 DAY! No matter how rich your company is, you would not be able to afford it, nor would you be able to afford all the storage space, cooling, power, and equipment and staff to support that storage.
Not feasible. Never going to happen.
You know you can be tracked via cell phone, right? Do you carry one? Does your girlfriend have access to the carriers software that lets her dial right in and check out where you are?
Actually, you bring up a very good point. This opens up all kinds of floodgates to specially taylored advertising. Instead of the spray-and-pray method, you can selectively choose who you're going to advertise to. I'm sure this information would be very valuable to the marketing departments of companies.
I don't take my cell-phone everywhere I go. On top of that, a cell-phone does not record and store where you're going and where you've been. Now if cell-phone companies implemented a tracking program that monitored and stored your locations, we'd be having a problem.
GOOD! I am tired of people trying to sell me crap I would never want.
Wouldn't most of us want taylored advertising? I mean, I already have some: I subscribe to the buy.com e-mail sales, etc. I would prefer to receive things in the mail for $20 your next LCD purchase instead of something about a sale at The Gap.
Snip snip.
Come on, we're all nerds here. I disable the damned GPS locator on my cell phones (you guys DO know there is one, right? - you can still be located based on the active cell, but that's a MUCH larger area to cover than the GPS locator) - I'll disable whatever buggery they put in cars, too.
Come on, we're all nerds here. I disable the damned GPS locator on my cell phones (you guys DO know there is one, right? - you can still be located based on the active cell, but that's a MUCH larger area to cover than the GPS locator) - I'll disable whatever buggery they put in cars, too.
There was an article in PopSci about 3 months ago about how to build a lo-jack. Guess what it was? A popular $100 pre-paid cell phone. You simply turned the phone on and left it in your trunk, tool box, etc. Then you got on their website and it tracked its location every few minutes (I think it kept the last 100 locations.) It suggested giving it to your kids to track them or just leave it in the car in case it gets stolen...
Hmmm...looks like some cell phones do store everywhere you have been.
How would ANYTHING store where you are going? Wouldn't only you know that? Or are you suggesting these new devices can predict the future?
edit: care = car
OBDII already does that as part of the standard - on any event that sets off the CEL, or an airbag deploy, it stores ALL conditions. No need for external hardware.
Queasy
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SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECHHHH!!! CRASH!!!!
Car: "Hello, it's just been registered that you've been in a car crash. Perhaps now would be a good time to consider calling the lawyers at Dewey, Trickum, and Howe. They specialize in automobile accidents and will make sure that you get full compensation for your accident."
You: "Ohhhh...my body....it hurts."
Car: "In pain? Fast-acting Advil liqui-caps can provide whole body relief."
You: "Tired. Blacking out."
Car: "When you're feeling run down and need a pick me up. Try Maxwell House Coffee. Good to the last drop."
For the Popular Science, I'd assume you'd have to have your GPS turned on versus 911 only, or off-completely. Otherwise, a person would not have access to the GPS features of the phone. And once again, if my phone is sitting here on my computer desk (which it normally does), then it's not going to track me anywhere easily, now will it? It would take much more resources to actively track a person with the GPS disabled; far more than anything that's viable to be used for invasion of privacy.
Oh God. :roll: You know exactly what I meant. But I guess when you don't have a point, argue semantics, right?
But since you want literal, I guess I'll come up with a literal way. If you're en-route to the store, you're "going to" the store. If you always take a similar way to the store, software can recognize your route and predict where you're going, which really isn't all that complicated to do. It's as simple as comparing routes (traversals) through a tree.
Remember in Minority Report all of the advertising that was directly addressed to you? One day we all will have to suffer that pain.
Hmm..In my city there are several routes to get to one place. Also, there are routes that take you to several places. Comparing routes through a tree? For a million drivers? It isn't as simple as writing a sub-routine.
x = CompareRoutesThroughTree(John Doe)
if (x = SecretariesHouse) {
AlertWife()
}
All done! No, it would be an NP-Hard problem and guess what! Computationally infeasible for millions of people!
My point still stands that it would take trillions of dollars in hardware in order to store the information.
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Depending on how long you need to keep the data, it isn't impossible at all. A few large (and relatively inexpensive) storage arrays cound handle the data pretty well if you didn't keep the bulk of it more than a couple weeks or so. Assuming that high risk behavior is what they are looking for ( or to monitor a small group of people) data collected would not require long term strorage after they filter it.
50TB isn't nearly as much as it used to be.
GuitarDaddy
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I have already used the remote satelite unlock feature though onstar which got me thinking. If they can unlock the car and read the EDR from a satelite, why can't they stop/disable the car from a satelite in the case of a police chase? Is this something we will see in the future?
Fenixgoon
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dude, it's called a database. you store latitude, longitude, velocity/acceleration, and there you go.. you can tell where a car was going and how fast at any point. sure it's a lot of data, but as long as you can devise a system to quickly analyse it (say, within 1 business week), within that week you hike jack the rates up on someone. they don't have to store it, they just have to look at it to fvck with you.
plus with holographic data storage, 1 TB will be nothing
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