You remember Kim Davis? The woman who refused marriages to gays? She lost.

[Fanatical Meat]

When she loses, I'm sure Fox News will welcome her with a new show.

Commentator in a letter box thing only, she is not hot enough for fox

 

[bshole]

Commentator in a letter box thing only, she is not hot enough for fox

I think if you shaved her head and tattooed Christy Brinkley's face on the back it could work......

 

[feralkid]

She's got Kimmy Davis thighs…

And Dick Cheney's face.

 

[interchange]

I try not to judge a religion (or any institution) by it's hypocrites, but I think it is fair to judge it by how it's leaders and followers react to those hypocrites. For the large part the Christian leaders praised and supported her, and still do.

I think this is quite fair. There are a lot of hypocrites, but there is also a lot of diversity. Too few on the other side of things speaking up, though.

 

[SNC]

Oh please no...


Yeah I never figured out how overweight women manage to find guys to do some boinking with.

Mainly drugs and booze.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I think this is quite fair. There are a lot of hypocrites, but there is also a lot of diversity. Too few on the other side of things speaking up, though.

American Christianity (and maybe Christianity in general) needs something like a new Martin Luther. Someone to reform the institutions and modernize them. Someone that will point out the hypocrisy of mega churches and the gospel of prosperity. Someone that will remind Christians that Christ taught to be humble and generous and to care for each other, to treat the sick and feed the hungry. That greed, gluttony, and hubris are sins. To remind Christians that Christ was ultra liberal and would be very disappointed in the things his church is supporting.

Perhaps I would have been a Christian if I had seen any of these things in any of the churches I attended.

 

[vi edit]

American Christianity (and maybe Christianity in general) needs something like a new Martin Luther. Someone to reform the institutions and modernize them. Someone that will point out the hypocrisy of mega churches and the gospel of prosperity. Someone that will remind Christians that Christ taught to be humble and generous and to care for each other, to treat the sick and feed the hungry. That greed, gluttony, and hubris are sins. To remind Christians that Christ was ultra liberal and would be very disappointed in the things his church is supporting.

Perhaps I would have been a Christian if I had seen any of these things in any of the churches I attended.

This is actually an incredibly interesting topic to me. I would love to read some insight into the rise of the "Megachurches" and how that overlays to the completely un-Christ like ways that conservatives in general are migrating towards.

As for a denomination to look at - check Universal Unitarian. They are the Hippy churches.

 

[SMOGZINN]

This is actually an incredibly interesting topic to me. I would love to read some insight into the rise of the "Megachurches" and how that overlays to the completely un-Christ like ways that conservatives in general are migrating towards.

I agree, but I am not really that well educated on the topic. I do find it interesting on how it correlates to the history of the Catholic church's selling of 'Indulgences'. It seems that these things are related.

As for a denomination to look at - check Universal Unitarian. They are the Hippy churches.

I know a lot about them. In general I like them and the people that run them. My girlfriends are members of the Pagan church and Priestesses in the Council of Magic which works closely with the UU on a lot of charitable works, as well as using their space for ceremonies. But personally, I just don't believe.

 

[whm1974]

I agree, but I am not really that well educated on the topic. I do find it interesting on how it correlates to the history of the Catholic church's selling of 'Indulgences'. It seems that these things are related.



I know a lot about them. In general I like them and the people that run them. My girlfriends are members of the Pagan church and Priestesses in the Council of Magic which works closely with the UU on a lot of charitable works, as well as using their space for ceremonies. But personally, I just don't believe.

How about these guys?
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq

 

[Aikouka]

American Christianity (and maybe Christianity in general) needs something like a new Martin Luther. Someone to reform the institutions and modernize them. Someone that will point out the hypocrisy of mega churches and the gospel of prosperity. Someone that will remind Christians that Christ taught to be humble and generous and to care for each other, to treat the sick and feed the hungry. That greed, gluttony, and hubris are sins. To remind Christians that Christ was ultra liberal and would be very disappointed in the things his church is supporting.

Perhaps I would have been a Christian if I had seen any of these things in any of the churches I attended.

I was religious for quite a few years, and at least based upon my experience, I'd say that the issue is the interpretation of The Bible. What I usually saw was any shift (even just proposed) toward liberal or simply non-Christian society meant that we were nearing "the end of days". Essentially, if it isn't aligned with the Christian belief, then it is Satan's influence, and how could a religious person support that?

 

[SMOGZINN]

How about these guys?
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq

What about them? Honestly I see them similar to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Mostly a political activist group opposing religious overreach in government by using religions weaknesses against them.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I was religious for quite a few years, and at least based upon my experience, I'd say that the issue is the interpretation of The Bible. What I usually saw was any shift (even just proposed) toward liberal or simply non-Christian society meant that we were nearing "the end of days". Essentially, if it isn't aligned with the Christian belief, then it is Satan's influence, and how could a religious person support that?

I don't really understand this. Most 'liberal' ideas are actually closer to what Christ taught. How is that brining on the end of days?

 

[whm1974]

What about them? Honestly I see them similar to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Mostly a political activist group opposing religious overreach in government by using religions weaknesses against them.

I just think it is really ironic that a Satanist group is acting more Christ-like then most of the "Christians" that are grabbing the spotlight.

 

[ivwshane]

I just think it is really ironic that Satanist group is acting more Christ-like then most of the "Christians" that are grabbing the spotlight.

Here's some more irony for you; liberal states actually practice family values more than conservative states.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/...s-values.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

 

[whm1974]

Here's some more irony for you; liberal states actually practice family values more than conservative states.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/...s-values.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Reading this, I didn't know that over half the states allowed child marriages:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html

 

[Aikouka]

I don't really understand this. Most 'liberal' ideas are actually closer to what Christ taught. How is that brining on the end of days?

Well, it's pretty easy with things like homosexuality. All they have to do is point to the verses about men not lying with men or the stuff with Sodom and Gomorrah, and make remarks like, "We don't want to become like them! They were destroyed by the wrath of God for their sins!"

Now, you might be talking more about the social programs that Republicans seem to be against. I'm pretty sure there are the verses about "taking in your cold and weak" or something to that effect. I think some of it comes from a rather awkward character flaw that I've seen in the south where "me and my own" are placed before others. Honestly, I don't know why people act that way, but in my experience, they just do. Does it mean that they're always callous toward others? No, but I do find that people tend to be more callous toward people that they don't know.

It sort of reminds me of one time when I was in Kroger, and I was talking to the employee that was handling the automated check-out. I don't remember how we came to talking about it, but she mentioned that she had to go to another job after this one just to afford health insurance. I just felt bad that this person had to do so much just for health insurance where mine was provided by my employer. I realize and don't expect things to be equal, but I also realize that all classes of people are needed for an economy to work. Without the people that do jobs that we find to be "menial", how would things function? Sometimes, I think people don't look at the big picture.

That's part of the reason why when some politician says "We'll lower your taxes!", my response is "Why?" Sure, who doesn't like having more money, but there comes a point where you need to stop thinking "me! me! me!" and realize that we're screwing everything over by being so self-centered. It isn't easy to stop thinking that way, but I think it's something we need to try to get better at.

 

[ivwshane]

Well, it's pretty easy with things like homosexuality. All they have to do is point to the verses about men not lying with men or the stuff with Sodom and Gomorrah, and make remarks like, "We don't want to become like them! They were destroyed by the wrath of God for their sins!"

Now, you might be talking more about the social programs that Republicans seem to be against. I'm pretty sure there are the verses about "taking in your cold and weak" or something to that effect. I think some of it comes from a rather awkward character flaw that I've seen in the south where "me and my own" are placed before others. Honestly, I don't know why people act that way, but in my experience, they just do. Does it mean that they're always callous toward others? No, but I do find that people tend to be more callous toward people that they don't know.

It sort of reminds me of one time when I was in Kroger, and I was talking to the employee that was handling the automated check-out. I don't remember how we came to talking about it, but she mentioned that she had to go to another job after this one just to afford health insurance. I just felt bad that this person had to do so much just for health insurance where mine was provided by my employer. I realize and don't expect things to be equal, but I also realize that all classes of people are needed for an economy to work. Without the people that do jobs that we find to be "menial", how would things function? Sometimes, I think people don't look at the big picture.

That's part of the reason why when some politician says "We'll lower your taxes!", my response is "Why?" Sure, who doesn't like having more money, but there comes a point where you need to stop thinking "me! me! me!" and realize that we're screwing everything over by being so self-centered. It isn't easy to stop thinking that way, but I think it's something we need to try to get better at.

Exactly! Paying taxes is about the most patriotic thing you can do. Making America great again means taking care of those that can't or those that struggle to take care of themselves.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Well, it's pretty easy with things like homosexuality. All they have to do is point to the verses about men not lying with men or the stuff with Sodom and Gomorrah, and make remarks like, "We don't want to become like them! They were destroyed by the wrath of God for their sins!"

Perhaps they should be noted that God said he would not punish the cities if at least 10 righteous men could be found, and warned Lot and his family to leave before the city was destroyed. God did not expect them to oppose all sin, only to remain righteous themselves.

 

[HomerJS]

A rare win for decency.

Court orders anti-gay clerk Kim Davis to pay $100K to same-sex couple she refused to marry - LGBTQ Nation

She denied marriage licenses to gay couples in 2015 because she was acting "under God's authority."

www.lgbtqnation.com

 

[mikeymikec]

A rare win for decency.

Court orders anti-gay clerk Kim Davis to pay $100K to same-sex couple she refused to marry - LGBTQ Nation

She denied marriage licenses to gay couples in 2015 because she was acting "under God's authority."

www.lgbtqnation.com

Interesting wording, I wonder if it'll become relevant in America's near future:

However, in 2022, U.S. District Judge David Bunning ruled that Davis “cannot use her own constitutional rights [to religious freedom] as a shield to violate the constitutional rights of others while performing her duties as an elected official.”

 

[IronWing]

The Supremes ain’t gonna like that ruling, far too restrictive of religious nutjobbery and far too consistent with the text and spirit of the Constitution.

 

[gothuevos]

Interesting wording, I wonder if it'll become relevant in America's near future:

Wonder if this eventually makes it up to the SCOTUS...they will agree with her.

 

[allisolm]

A rare win for decency.

Court orders anti-gay clerk Kim Davis to pay $100K to same-sex couple she refused to marry - LGBTQ Nation

She denied marriage licenses to gay couples in 2015 because she was acting "under God's authority."

www.lgbtqnation.com

What gets me most about this woman is that she claimed to be acting "under God's authority" when she denied the licenses and yet she is on her 4th marriage and apparently wasn't worried about God's authority when she was pregnant by her third husband while still married to her first.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What gets me most about this woman is that she claimed to be acting "under God's authority" when she denied the licenses and yet she is on her 4th marriage and apparently wasn't worried about God's authority when she was pregnant by her third husband while still married to her first.

The answer is here and it’s six years old:

You remember Kim Davis? The woman who refused marriages to gays? She lost.

Which is to say, judges found she could not deny marriage licenses. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kim-davis-kentucky-ruling_us_59725b64e4b09e5f6ccf43f0?s0h&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 The state will have to pay the fine, which I'm assuming is based on the fact they did not correct or...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[pcgeek11]

Just for accuracy. The article was incorrect on first printing:

$10,000 not $100,000.
A court has ordered former Rowan County, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis to pay $10,000 to a gay same-sex couple because she refused to issue a marriage license to them.

At the bottom of the page:

"Correction (9/14/2023): The original headline for this article listed an incorrect monetary amount."