"You can't walk at graduation because...."

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: senseamp
School is right. Cancer is her problem, she should get over her sense of entitlement.

What entitlement? If I understand the problem she will have all the credits necessary for a diploma after summer school. When I graduated from University I still had 1 class left to take to meet the requirements for a degree in Geology, a field course that can only be taken in after regular classes are finished. They let me participate in graduation in May even though the official date on my diploma is August. This wasn't something they did special just for me, it was how they handled it for people in my situation.

Don't bother feeding him. He is so strung up on the idea of hating people that feel entitled to things that he believes they shouldn't have that it has completely dulled his ability to think outside of the box on this issue.

This is not an issue that needs outside the box thinking. This is a simple requirement that she failed to fulfill. No shame in it because she did have a pretty good excuse, but requirement is a requirement. A lot of people have to take leaves of absence because of sickness and have their graduations delayed because of that. It's just life, you shouldn't expect the school district to try to offset your problems by changing the rules for you.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, her school district policy says she must complete coursework to walk at graduation. They shouldn't be changing it just to accommodate one student's situation. Plus sh!t happens. Other students may have their own family or health problems that prevent them from completing course work, school should not be put in position to make subjective judgment calls on who should or shouldn't walk.

There are rules and there are reasons to suspend said rules.

Do you want police officers that looted stores(in an effort to help people) in NYC during 9/11 prosecuted? Of course not.

There are extenuating circumstances and the school should consider it.

A lot of students have a lot of extenuating circumstances for why they feel the rules should be bent for them. Schools should not be put in position of making these judgment calls, that is why they have a very objective and reasonable rule in place that you complete the requirements to walk in graduation.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, her school district policy says she must complete coursework to walk at graduation. They shouldn't be changing it just to accommodate one student's situation. Plus sh!t happens. Other students may have their own family or health problems that prevent them from completing course work, school should not be put in position to make subjective judgment calls on who should or shouldn't walk.

There are rules and there are reasons to suspend said rules.

Do you want police officers that looted stores(in an effort to help people) in NYC during 9/11 prosecuted? Of course not.

There are extenuating circumstances and the school should consider it.

A lot of students have a lot of extenuating circumstances for why they feel the rules should be bent for them. Schools should not be put in position of making these judgment calls, that is why they have a very objective and reasonable rule in place that you complete the requirements to walk in graduation.

let me guess you couldn?t walk in your graduation because you are to fat to even get out of your bed, let alone propel yourself any great distance, and because of this you pretty much just hate on anyone that could possibly get a break. It?s not our fault they couldn?t find a fork lift to push you through graduation with.

 

[scott916]

That's pretty fucked up. It's only high school, people... It's not like she's graduating from West Point.
Although, there is the slippery slope argument.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: senseamp
School is right. Cancer is her problem, she should get over her sense of entitlement.

What entitlement? If I understand the problem she will have all the credits necessary for a diploma after summer school. When I graduated from University I still had 1 class left to take to meet the requirements for a degree in Geology, a field course that can only be taken in after regular classes are finished. They let me participate in graduation in May even though the official date on my diploma is August. This wasn't something they did special just for me, it was how they handled it for people in my situation.

Don't bother feeding him. He is so strung up on the idea of hating people that feel entitled to things that he believes they shouldn't have that it has completely dulled his ability to think outside of the box on this issue.

This is not an issue that needs outside the box thinking. This is a simple requirement that she failed to fulfill. No shame in it because she did have a pretty good excuse, but requirement is a requirement. A lot of people have to take leaves of absence because of sickness and have their graduations delayed because of that. It's just life, you shouldn't expect the school district to try to offset your problems by changing the rules for you.

What you are failing to realize is that she is not asking to graduate before she fulfills her requirements. She is asking to participate in a ceremony which reflects graduation even though there isn't a single student there which is actually graduating yet since that isn't determined until later once all classes are complete and all the work that needs to be done in order to determine who fulfilled the requirements is finished.

This girl worked just as hard as everyone else in her class. She deserves to walk with them. Also, your arguments using students who take leaves of absence due to sickness never have their graduations delayed unless the school asks for proof of being sick (doctor's notes, etc) and they cannot provide that proof.

Lastly, no rule should be made or enforced for no reason. There is no reason to enforce this rule in this case. It's not like a ton of students can even try to take advantage of the same loophole. How many of them have cancer like this?

 

[LordSnailz]

this is stupid, a few of my friends from ucla and stanford still needed 1-2 classes in the summer before officially graduating. They submitted a simple petition and walked with their friends.
like everyone said, walking is symbolic ... if she fails her classes in summer then she doesn't get the diploma, it's not like she'll slip by ...

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Participating the graduation ceremonies implicitly implies that you have completed the requirements. She has not - she can walk on the next cycle.

But its just a ceremony. Its not like they'd be handing her a real diploma...

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, her school district policy says she must complete coursework to walk at graduation. They shouldn't be changing it just to accommodate one student's situation. Plus sh!t happens. Other students may have their own family or health problems that prevent them from completing course work, school should not be put in position to make subjective judgment calls on who should or shouldn't walk.

There are rules and there are reasons to suspend said rules.

Do you want police officers that looted stores(in an effort to help people) in NYC during 9/11 prosecuted? Of course not.

There are extenuating circumstances and the school should consider it.

A lot of students have a lot of extenuating circumstances for why they feel the rules should be bent for them. Schools should not be put in position of making these judgment calls, that is why they have a very objective and reasonable rule in place that you complete the requirements to walk in graduation.

You also realize that most schools bend the rules all the time to let students walk anyways right? What this school is doing is an exception to what most schools usually consider a reasonable excuse to bend the rules. There is a very good reason why most schools opt to bend the rules in these situations.

She isn't trying to extort money from taxes or a business. She just wants to participate in a graduation ceremony for crying out loud.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Participating the graduation ceremonies implicitly implies that you have completed the requirements. She has not - she can walk on the next cycle.

This. :thumbsup:

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dabuddha
The school is being retarded. It's not like they even hand you your real diploma at graduation.

i got my real diploma at both my HS and College graduation

when I walked I got the diploma holder...and then I picked up my diploma AFTER all finals were graded and grades finalized...like 3 days later

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Participating the graduation ceremonies implicitly implies that you have completed the requirements. She has not - she can walk on the next cycle.

This. :thumbsup:

That is not true. It does not imply that you have completed the requirements yet.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Participating the graduation ceremonies implicitly implies that you have completed the requirements. She has not - she can walk on the next cycle.

This. :thumbsup:

That is not true. It does not imply that you have completed the requirements yet.

Certainly do here. You don't just walk when you feel like it, they're pretty strict.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dabuddha
The school is being retarded. It's not like they even hand you your real diploma at graduation.

i got my real diploma at both my HS and College graduation

This is extremely rare. Did they also hold the ceremony after the grades for the final semester were all tallied? If not, then they just opted to deal with the hassle that most choose to avoid involving the issues of having a diploma only to find out that you are not actually a graduate because you ended up failing one class or something at the very end.

I did too. I walked up and they handed me a "folder" with my diploma in it. Seems VERY common to me.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
What if she is allowed to do this, then doesn't pass the courses over the summer?

Most, if not all schools don't give you a diploma at graduation. They send the diploma to your home, only AFTER you have completed the requirements for graduation.

My ex-girlfriend defended her dissertation too late to officially graduate in the spring & is taking a summer semester to complete the necessary revisions. The University allowed her to walk in the spring.

A University allows leeway in letting someone walk for a freaking PhD, while some fucking high school is too officious to allow a cancer patient to walk early? Yeah, something is wrong here.

That highschool is run by heartless pieces of shit.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: BoomerD
What if she is allowed to do this, then doesn't pass the courses over the summer?

Most, if not all schools don't give you a diploma at graduation. They send the diploma to your home, only AFTER you have completed the requirements for graduation.

Actually, never heard of it being that way. Everyone who's gone to high school that I know got their diploma at graduation, only even being offered to walk if you'd completed all requirements. It doesn't make much sense any other way, honestly.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Participating the graduation ceremonies implicitly implies that you have completed the requirements. She has not - she can walk on the next cycle.

yeap. i know its cold but i agree.

i agree.

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: dNor

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: BoomerD
What if she is allowed to do this, then doesn't pass the courses over the summer?

Most, if not all schools don't give you a diploma at graduation. They send the diploma to your home, only AFTER you have completed the requirements for graduation.

Actually, never heard of it being that way. Everyone who's gone to high school that I know got their diploma at graduation, only even being offered to walk if you'd completed all requirements. It doesn't make much sense any other way, honestly.

Not mine. You got the holder at the ceremony, and then had to go to the school and get the actual diploma.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dabuddha
The school is being retarded. It's not like they even hand you your real diploma at graduation.

i got my real diploma at both my HS and College graduation

This is extremely rare. Did they also hold the ceremony after the grades for the final semester were all tallied? If not, then they just opted to deal with the hassle that most choose to avoid involving the issues of having a diploma only to find out that you are not actually a graduate because you ended up failing one class or something at the very end.

I did too. I walked up and they handed me a "folder" with my diploma in it. Seems VERY common to me.

Me too in high school. I didn't walk my college graduation, but I heard they did the same thing there.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dabuddha
The school is being retarded. It's not like they even hand you your real diploma at graduation.

i got my real diploma at both my HS and College graduation

me too. but we didnt get them on stage we got them after we returned our robes. hahaha

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dabuddha
The school is being retarded. It's not like they even hand you your real diploma at graduation.

i got my real diploma at both my HS and College graduation

me too. but we didnt get them on stage we got them after we returned our robes. hahaha

You had to give them back? We had to buy ours for like $150

 

[JohnAn2112]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Participating the graduation ceremonies implicitly implies that you have completed the requirements. She has not - she can walk on the next cycle.

For her, the next cycle would be next year. Why would she want to walk her high school ceremony next year when she'd be done with her freshman year of college? Let her walk with her class and she can receive her diploma when she's completed her summer work.

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: waffleironhead
BAH! Why is it such a big deal? Its only high school, AKA organized daycare. Just let her walk but give her a blank diploma.

lol totally agree with you on that organized daycare thing, especially if you weren't an honors/AP/IB student.

Hell I was an AP scholar and HS still felt like organized daycare.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Yes, I agree with Mugs in this case. She has most likely worked her ass off for the past 3 years, and then got screwed with cancer.

Just let her walk.

Life is not measured by how much work we do, it's measured by the results we get. She may well have worked hard, but if the results aren't there, then she shouldn't walk.

As far as the doctor's comment is concerned, I fail to see why a doctor's opinion on school board policy matters at all. No-one would pay attention to a school teacher trying to tell a doctor how to treat a patient, so why does a medical doctor suddenly have qualifications to run a school district? He doesn't. Don't get me started on the mother's "a heroic battle" tripe. Yes, cancer is a horrible thing. I lost my grandfather to cancer and watched him wither away from a robust and active man to a near lifeless shell whose diapers I helped to change. But I don't call his fight "heroic". Let's reserve words like "heroic" for people who voluntarily risk their own lives to save others.

I'm not even sure it can be called "courageous" since courage necessarily requires an act of volition, a choice to take the courageous action. A choice that a cancer patient doesn't have. Where there is no option to run away from the battle, there cannot be courage.

Is it harsh that the school won't let her walk? Absolutely. Can it be reasonably argued to be unfair? Absolutely. But welcome to reality. The real world is a lot rougher than just missing a graduation walk. No matter how much we may want it to be, reality is not a warm and fuzzy place and coddling our children only serves to ill-prepare them for life after school.

ZV

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Participating the graduation ceremonies implicitly implies that you have completed the requirements. She has not - she can walk on the next cycle.

That is not true. You can walk at my school if you completed a certain % of your requirements (USC)

Had alot of friends walk in May and graduate in December.

 

[antyler]

thats jacked up. You're definitely allowed to graduate and then finish the classes in summer. Happens all the time. And thats just for troubled kids, she had freaking cancer. gosh.