You can't have my guns.

[eits]

the main argument from gun owners seems to be "i have the right to a gun... i have the right to protect myself and my family." however, when a solution is offered that limits the kinds of guns they can have, it suddenly turns into "but... but... you can't take my toys away!"

seriously, people, wtf is wrong with you? yeah, i get it, you enjoy something you got to have for a while, but even though you may not be a psychopath bent on watching people die at the end of your barrel, other people are... so, do what's right for your fellow americans and stop being so goddamn ridiculous and selfish as to not try and figure out a practical, common sense approach toward fixing the problem.

 

[sixone]

lol the fuck it isn't. what is it then? it certainly wasn't designed to be a decoration.

a gun's only purpose is to kill. that's it. that's what it's made for. it isn't made to do your taxes or drive your kids to school or spread butter on toast... it's made to kill. it is, therefore, a killing machine... a machine used to kill.

Knives were designed to kill, hundreds of years ago. Does that mean that I'm using a "killing machine" when I open my mail every day?

How about baseball bats? After all, they're just a variation of the clubs that were used hundreds of years ago to kill prey. Better ban those, even if they're not being used for the purpose they were originally designed for.

and people do snap from sane to crazy all the time. you're telling me you've never been under so much stress that you've just snapped and acted in a completely uncharacteristic and embarrassing way? most people have. people snap.

I've never killed anyone while doing so. Have you? Maybe you should start a poll, see how many ATers have been so stressed that they killed someone.

i'm not saying that these shooters were sane before they carried out their killing rampages, but i'm saying that you can't simply expect that sane people won't go crazy at some point. under the right conditions, people lose their shit... it's just a fact of human nature.

You're ignoring the fact that people who knew the shooters who've already done this KNEW something was wrong, and didn't do anything (or anything effective) about it. Solve that problem, and gun control isn't necessary.

 

[Angry Irishman]

i don't hate freedom at all. that's why i think your idea of rounding up the crazies is a crazy idea.

you're free to protect yourself with guns and hunt with guns... but your choices should be limited to the kinds of guns allowed.

we, as a society, need to balance people's freedom to protect themselves and their belongings with the safety of innocent people. the only good idea is only allowing guns with limited capabilities. yeah, it may not be as fun for gun nuts, but at least it would decrease the number of people killed each year unnecessarily. that's why it's a win-win... public safety benefits and we can still protect ourselves and hunt if we so choose.

That's not what the second amendment says and yes it's still relevant today.

 

[zinfamous]

Not understanding how they are related means YOU dont have the necessary perspective.

And theres no such thing as "sense of perspective". Thats some bullshit you just made up. This isnt college, quit fluffing your papers.

at least in college, one should be able to discern the differences between the ability of one to to run into a school fully loaded with guns and quickly inflict massive casualties, as opposed to driving a car or truck into a school and obtain a comparative level of casualties, at an equally predictable rate.

same if the loony toon was carrying knives. Sorry, he isn't easily getting into locked doors armed with knives, and he is far more likely to be stopped by someone intent on stopping him, long before he can kill the same amount of people.

 

[Angry Irishman]

the main argument from gun owners seems to be "i have the right to a gun... i have the right to protect myself and my family." however, when a solution is offered that limits the kinds of guns they can have, it suddenly turns into "but... but... you can't take my toys away!"

seriously, people, wtf is wrong with you? yeah, i get it, you enjoy something you got to have for a while, but even though you may not be a psychopath bent on watching people die at the end of your barrel, other people are... so, do what's right for your fellow americans and stop being so goddamn ridiculous and selfish as to not try and figure out a practical, common sense approach toward fixing the problem.

You have an opinion many have an opposing opinion....I'll stand by the Constitution.

 

[ghost recon88]

john holmes was way before 1995.

James Holmes, not John Holmes. You know, the Auroa shooter.

 

[sixone]

the main argument from gun owners seems to be "i have the right to a gun... i have the right to protect myself and my family." however, when a solution is offered that limits the kinds of guns they can have, it suddenly turns into "but... but... you can't take my toys away!"

seriously, people, wtf is wrong with you? yeah, i get it, you enjoy something you got to have for a while, but even though you may not be a psychopath bent on watching people die at the end of your barrel, other people are... so, do what's right for your fellow americans and stop being so goddamn ridiculous and selfish as to not try and figure out a practical, common sense approach toward fixing the problem.

Your solution doesn't JUST limit guns. It limits FREEDOM of people who aren't guilty of any crime, and who will NEVER commit one.

If you want to give away YOUR freedom, go ahead. Just don't expect me to lay down and let you steal MINE.

 

[eits]

James Holmes, not John Holmes. You know, the Auroa shooter.

oh, whoops. lol, i was like, "wtf does a pornstar have bombs for?"

there's no denying crazy people are crazy.

 

[eits]

Your solution doesn't JUST limit guns. It limits FREEDOM of people who aren't guilty of any crime, and who will NEVER commit one.

If you want to give away YOUR freedom, go ahead. Just don't expect me to lay down and let you steal MINE.

fine, exercise your freedom... but you'll end up suffering consequences for it. just like going 15 mph over the speed limit or driving through a stop sign.

your FREEDOM is limited to protecting yourself. it's not limited to whatever the hell you want to use in order to do that. you can't put mines in your front yard... you can't have fully automatic guns... yadda yadda.

your freedom to protect yourself should be limited to what is necessary to protect yourself and nothing more. you should be allowed choices within a certain limitation, like brands and calibers, etc.

 

[Angry Irishman]

at least in college, one should be able to discern the differences between the ability of one to to run into a school fully loaded with guns and quickly inflict massive casualties, as opposed to driving a car or truck into a school and obtain a comparative level of casualties, at an equally predictable rate.

same if the loony toon was carrying knives. Sorry, he isn't easily getting into locked doors armed with knives, and he is far more likely to be stopped by someone intent on stopping him, long before he can kill the same amount of people.

You just don't get it. If its not a gun it's anything that could be a weapon. It doesn't have to be a school; how about a parade or a street concert. Are we going to abolish and ban every possibility?

Common sense required....college education is nice but not needed.

 

[sixone]

fine, exercise your freedom... but you'll end up suffering consequences for it. just like going 15 mph over the speed limit or driving through a stop sign.

Those acts are illegal. If I break the law, I deserve the consequences. Until then, what consequences will I suffer?

 

[Iron Woode]

ok, I think we're close to a consensus here:

1. guns don't kill people, people kill people. stop blaming the weapon and start blaming the criminal
2. anti-gun laws and other knee-jerk leftist ideas do nothing to help
3. crazy people and criminals don't care about the law
4. we need to invest more time and money into dealing with mental illness
5. proper training, use and storage of firearms should be mandatory prior to purchasing said weapon

 

[eits]

Those acts are illegal. If I break the law, I deserve the consequences. Until then, what consequences will I suffer?

well, i was talking about if the idea i'm proposing gets picked up and passed. if it gets passed, you can exercise your ultimate freedom to do whatever you wish. however, you'll have to suffer the consequences when you get caught.

 

[eits]

ok, I think we're close to a censuses here:

1. guns don't kill people, people kill people. stop blaming the weapon and start blaming the criminal
2. anti-gun laws and other knee-jerk leftist ideas do nothing to help
3. crazy people and criminals don't care about the law
4. we need to invest more time and money into dealing with mental illness
5. proper training, use and storage of firearms should be mandatory prior to purchasing said weapon

in regards to #3, that's the dumbest thing i hear people say. criminals care about the law until they break it. what exactly is a criminal before they break the law? how are they any different from you or me? crazy people are rarely consistently crazy. they often become mentally unstable over time due to various reasons (genetics, drug use, prescribed medications, relationships gone wrong, awful upbringing, etc.).

 

[Farmer]

in regards to #3, that's the dumbest thing i hear people say. criminals care about the law until they break it.

I mean you're totally right. Criminals have the utmost respect for the law, but after some arbitrary event, don't give a shit about it. I mean, wow that make so much sense.

The fact is, there are tons of gun laws, many of which either poorly enforced or so ridiculous that they cannot be practically enforced. Why not focus some of your energy into making the laws we already have, work, before shoving more laws down our throats deterioriates the lives of millions of law abiding gun owners, while doing nothing regarding criminal (i.e., law-ignorant) activity.

 

[SheHateMe]

ok, I think we're close to a censuses here:

1. guns don't kill people, people kill people. stop blaming the weapon and start blaming the criminal
2. anti-gun laws and other knee-jerk leftist ideas do nothing to help
3. crazy people and criminals don't care about the law
4. we need to invest more time and money into dealing with mental illness
5. proper training, use and storage of firearms should be mandatory prior to purchasing said weapon

And when did we reach this "Consensus"?

 

[ghost recon88]

And when did we reach this "Consensus"?

Since she started hating you :hmm:

 

[BladeVenom]

seriously, people, wtf is wrong with you?

WTF is wrong with you? Governments have murdered 262 million people in the last century. Take guns away from politicians, not their potential victims.

 

[sixone]

well, i was talking about if the idea i'm proposing gets picked up and passed. if it gets passed, you can exercise your ultimate freedom to do whatever you wish. however, you'll have to suffer the consequences when you get caught.

It won't get picked up and passed. The Constitution protects the innocent from unlawful search and seizure, and prevents mob rule.

 

[Iron Woode]

And when did we reach this "Consensus"?

sorry, spelling fail.

 

[SheHateMe]

Since she started hating you :hmm:

You suck, you must be a Wolverine! :awe:

 

[ghost recon88]

You suck, you just be a Wolverine! :awe:

Actually, not really. I graduated from Michigan State as well :awe:

 

[JulesMaximus]

It won't get picked up and passed. The Constitution protects the innocent from unlawful search and seizure, and prevents mob rule.

What are your guns protecting you from though? The government? BWAHAHAHA!!! That's a laugh. Crime? I can't legally carry a gun in my state so the only place my guns could possibly be used to prevent crime is in my own home and the chance of a crime being committed there is pretty low.

 

[Farmer]

What are your guns protecting you from though? The government? BWAHAHAHA!!! That's a laugh. Crime? I can't legally carry a gun in my state so the only place my guns could possibly be used to prevent crime is in my own home and the chance of a crime being committed there is pretty low.

Is there supposed to be some kind of point here?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Is there supposed to be some kind of point here?

There were a couple questions... :\

Here's another one: Hey pal, did you just blow in from stupidville? :sneaky: