You can't have my guns.

[OutHouse]

and how are you gonna find out who's crazy and who's not? who is going to make that call? how can you be so sure that one diagnosis is more correct than another?

ever hear of a group of mental health Doctors called psychiatrists and Psychologist?

 

[CVSiN]

guns make people feel powerful. also, it creates a detachment from the person you're trying to kill, thus making it a lot easier.

did you really just say that guns create a detachment from those you kill?
are you just that fucking stupid?

You do realize how much pure will and malice or fear it takes for an ordinary person to pull that trigger against another human being?

there are studies that have proven even trained soldiers in large scale conflict miss on purpose because they cant stand the thought of killing someone.

this was heavily prevalent in WW2 and VN and is documented.

There is also a HEAVY problem with Police officers and soldiers that have suffered emotional issues from having to kill someone/many in the line of duty.

To purposely hold a gun on someone with the full intent to kill takes a serious amount of will.

there is no disconnection.. this isn't like dropping smart weapons from 30k feet at a radar blip and never seeing the pain.. you see everything when you pull a trigger and gun someone down..

And that is why these people are nut jobs.. they don't have that. that stopper is disabled in their brains.
That is the problem not weapons in general. the problem is the wacko with that weapon.. be it a knife bomb or gun.. they just don't give a fuck.

 

[Geosurface]

Let's demonize and stigmatize the mentally ill even more! So they seek help even less!

Let's punish people for shit they haven't done!

Even though the vast majority of them will never harm anyone...

Why? Because it will make me feel like we did something! And then I can go back to watching my regularly scheduled program!

And it's easier than accepting that shit happens!

 

[eits]

ever hear of a group of mental health Doctors called psychiatrists and Psychologist?

yeah, and they don't see eye to eye on things at all. also, what one person diagnoses one way, the other may diagnose another. psychiatry and psychology aren't even close to exact sciences when it comes to patient diagnosis and care. interpractioner reliability is horrible.

 

[OutHouse]

it's easier than accepting that shit happens!

i will never ever accept that "SHIT HAPPENS" when it comes to a mental retard shooting 28 people. the crazy should have been locked up behind bars but i guess that would have been mean to him.

 

[CVSiN]

Let's demonize and stigmatize the mentally ill even more! So they seek help even less!

Let's punish people for shit they haven't done!

Even though the vast majority of them will never harm anyone...

Why? Because it will make me feel like we did something! And then I can go back to watching my regularly scheduled program!

And it's easier than accepting that shit happens!

Oh please..
It is not normal people with healthy brains that serial kill, mass murder, etc.. these are people with serious mental illness.

And yes they have proven over and over they need to be monitored and watched.
Screenings for mental issues need to start being mandatory in school aged kids all the way up to adult hood.

The problem is even potentially dangerous mentally ill people are turned out of hospitals with nothing more than drug treatments.
This never works.
they need inhouse help and monitoring.

 

[edro]

No more semi auto guns?
Oh damn, they just have to carry speed loaders and/or multiple revolvers.

No more high-cap magazines?
Dual duct taped standard capacity magazines + numerous backups in cargo pants.


If only that principle had had training and a shotgun or rifle locked in her office...

 

[blankslate]

Guns help found this country and I sure as hell will not ever be giving up my weps to anyone.

What is your suggestion for keeping them out of the hands of people who have no reason to be near them.

It seems that a common factor in these mass murders is the issue of mental problems with the perpetrator.

If you are going to argue against any further laws concerning firearms then I hope you have no problem with increasing funds for mental health treatment and also requiring mental health professionals to report more diligently a person who would be dangerous around firearms.

That is my problem with these specific kinds of murders. If you're going to take a stance against gun control laws then you better be advocating solutions that target what seems to stand out as a common factor in these types of massacres.

 

[edro]

i will never ever accept that "SHIT HAPPENS" when it comes to a mental retard shooting 28 people. the crazy should have been locked up behind bars but i guess that would have been mean to him.

Good luck testing, labeling and institutionalizing all of the borderline retards.

Mandatory monthly testing for all citizens?

 

[eits]

did you really just say that guns create a detachment from those you kill?
are you just that fucking stupid?

You do realize how much pure will and malice or fear it takes for an ordinary person to pull that trigger against another human being?

there are studies that have proven even trained soldiers in large scale conflict miss on purpose because they cant stand the thought of killing someone.

this was heavily prevalent in WW2 and VN and is documented.

There is also a HEAVY problem with Police officers and soldiers that have suffered emotional issues from having to kill someone/many in the line of duty.

To purposely hold a gun on someone with the full intent to kill takes a serious amount of will.

there is no disconnection.. this isn't like dropping smart weapons from 30k feet at a radar blip and never seeing the pain.. you see everything when you pull a trigger and gun someone down..

And that is why these people are nut jobs.. they don't have that. that stopper is disabled in their brains.
That is the problem not weapons in general. the problem is the wacko with that weapon.. be it a knife bomb or gun.. they just don't give a fuck.

no, i'm not fucking stupid. most people, if they had to kill or wanted to kill someone, would do it with a gun than with any other method... there's a detachment involved. it's not as up-close and personal as stabbing or strangling or drowning and not as involved or riddled with anxiety as trying to poison. shooting is the quickest and cleanest way to do it. the detachment comes in the sense that they don't feel like they'll have to worry about actually watching the person die or struggle to stay alive. it's quick.

there were lots of studies done to show this trend and reasoning. people feel like they'd experience less emotional pain by shooting rather than by killing using any other method. the more of a chance there is of seeing a person try to stay alive or cry out in pain or help, the less appealing of a murder method it becomes (to a majority of people).

 

[eits]

No more semi auto guns?
Oh damn, they just have to carry speed loaders and/or multiple revolvers.

No more high-cap magazines?
Dual duct taped standard capacity magazines + numerous backups in cargo pants.


If only that principle had had training and a shotgun or rifle locked in her office...

so, now, everyone is fit to be trained to have a gun? principals can no longer be hired unless they are good with a gun and always prepared?

sorry, but, i don't think principals are all ready to be marines... they're certainly not paid to be, either...

and, as to your gun solution, it still will decrease the number of lives lost and will increase reload time and still increase the chances of an assailant being subdued, which makes the overall sense of power that the would-be assailant has low enough to deter them from even committing the act. the kid felt powerful enough to go into the school guns blazing like he's neo. take that power away and i highly doubt he'd have felt like going all anakin skywalker that day.

 

[sixone]

What is your suggestion for keeping them out of the hands of people who have no reason to be near them.

It seems that a common factor in these mass murders is the issue of mental problems with the perpetrator.

Instead of keeping guns away from crazies, let's keep crazies away from guns.

If you are going to argue against any further laws concerning firearms then I hope you have no problem with increasing funds for mental health treatment and also requiring mental health professionals to report more diligently a person who would be dangerous around firearms.

That is my problem with these specific kinds of murders. If you're going to take a stance against gun control laws then you better be advocating solutions that target what seems to stand out as a common factor in these types of massacres.

In every one of these cases, as soon as the shooter's name was released, people came forward with stories that showed they knew something was wrong. Let's make it easier to get these dangerous people on the radar of health care providers and law enforcement.

 

[CVSiN]

no, i'm not fucking stupid. most people, if they had to kill or wanted to kill someone, would do it with a gun than with any other method... there's a detachment involved. it's not as up-close and personal as stabbing or strangling or drowning and not as involved or riddled with anxiety as trying to poison. shooting is the quickest and cleanest way to do it. the detachment comes in the sense that they don't feel like they'll have to worry about actually watching the person die or struggle to stay alive. it's quick.

there were lots of studies done to show this trend and reasoning. people feel like they'd experience less emotional pain by shooting rather than by killing using any other method. the more of a chance there is of seeing a person try to stay alive or cry out in pain or help, the less appealing of a murder method it becomes (to a majority of people).

spoken like someone who has never had to even draw on another human being. let alone had to treat the wounds or watched a friend die SLOWLY of a bullet wound.
Most likely never served in the Military either.

proves my point.
Until you have to do it, you will never understand how personal a gunshot is.. and how traumatizing to both the shooter and the shootee if they survive.

 

[OutHouse]

Good luck testing, labeling and institutionalizing all of the borderline retards.

Mandatory monthly testing for all citizens?

??? its being done right now. ever hear of well baby checkups? For adults it will be just as easy, start by locking up all the retarded hoarders on the tv show Hoarders.

 

[eits]

It's required so that when we're shooting for protection or hunting, we can hit what we're aiming at, instead of endangering others who may be nearby. If people get pleasure from it, that's a secondary benefit.

Aim is just like any other skill - it takes practice and repetition. It doesn't happen automagically.

then shoot for pleasure and practice with your bolt action rifle as opposed to an semiautomatic/automatic rifle.

 

[SheHateMe]

....you will never understand how personal a gunshot is.. and how traumatizing to both the shooter and the shootee if they survive.

You say this like its a bad thing. Nobody should have to understand what that feels like.

 

[CVSiN]

What is your suggestion for keeping them out of the hands of people who have no reason to be near them.

It seems that a common factor in these mass murders is the issue of mental problems with the perpetrator.

If you are going to argue against any further laws concerning firearms then I hope you have no problem with increasing funds for mental health treatment and also requiring mental health professionals to report more diligently a person who would be dangerous around firearms.

That is my problem with these specific kinds of murders. If you're going to take a stance against gun control laws then you better be advocating solutions that target what seems to stand out as a common factor in these types of massacres.

I agree 500%.
the mental health policies of this country are absymal.
that is where this all needs to start.
That is the binding element that all these people had in common for mass murders and serial killers.
Mental Illness.

 

[OutHouse]

then shoot for pleasure and practice with your bolt action rifle as opposed to an semiautomatic/automatic rifle.

i love my bushmaster and my 20+ 30 round mags. i have LOTS of pleasure shooting it on the range. so buzz off what i do and what i have is NONE of your business.

 

[eits]

spoken like someone who has never had to even draw on another human being. let alone had to treat the wounds or watched a friend die SLOWLY of a bullet wound.
Most likely never served in the Military either.

proves my point.
Until you have to do it, you will never understand how personal a gunshot is.. and how traumatizing to both the shooter and the shootee if they survive.

uh, yeah, i can't say i've ever drawn a gun on someone before. never fucking had to and probably never will. and, no, i've never watched someone in front of me die slow from a bullet wound.

i'm simply telling you what the common consensus is about which murder method would be preferred by the vast majority of americans. most people would much rather pick a fast method, like shooting a gun, over any other method if they had to.

 

[eits]

i love my bushmaster and my 20+ 30 round mags. i have LOTS of pleasure shooting it on the range. so buzz off what i do and what i have is NONE of your business.

lol you people...

 

[sixone]

then shoot for pleasure and practice with your bolt action rifle as opposed to an semiautomatic/automatic rifle.

It's a free country. You don't get to decide for me. Even if you hate freedom.

 

[CVSiN]

You say this like its a bad thing. Nobody should have to understand what that feels like.

I agree 100% in a perfect world that would be ideal.
however we do not live in a perfect world.
Guns are needed and have a place in society.
But for people to think it is so easy as a video game to draw and shoot someone they are the crazy ones.

 

[Ns1]

If only that principle had had training and a shotgun or rifle locked in her office...

Works great until the principle goes crazy.

 

[onza]

Reading some of these anti-gun posts is driving me bonkers. I'm going to the range and shoot stuff. I might even go rent an automatic just so I can shoot faster.

 

[eits]

It's a free country. You don't get to decide for me. Even if you hate freedom.

i don't hate freedom at all. that's why i think your idea of rounding up the crazies is a crazy idea.

you're free to protect yourself with guns and hunt with guns... but your choices should be limited to the kinds of guns allowed.

we, as a society, need to balance people's freedom to protect themselves and their belongings with the safety of innocent people. the only good idea is only allowing guns with limited capabilities. yeah, it may not be as fun for gun nuts, but at least it would decrease the number of people killed each year unnecessarily. that's why it's a win-win... public safety benefits and we can still protect ourselves and hunt if we so choose.