Yikes! Iran says its military is ready for the US

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DaveSohmer: Whoa! you own books! actually its your rightwing view of liberalism.

ToBeMe: Actually if you've read some of my other posts, you'd know I'm from England.

Rison: Works though! I don't recall any planes hitting tall building over here...
 

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Ive never chuckled so much in a thread that was of something serious...btw...i just wanted to add something else to this mindless sea of posts....PERSIAN FOOD IS THE BOMB DIGGIDY...gotta love them kabobs, breads, and cucumber yogurt sauce....im asian btw. Just curious...most people from Iranian descent that I know call themselves Persian and not Iranian..seriously just wondering..whatsupwifthatwillis?
 

ToBeMe

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<< DaveSohmer: Whoa! you own books! actually its your rightwing view of liberalism.

ToBeMe: Actually if you've read some of my other posts, you'd know I'm from England.

Rison: Works though! I don't recall any planes hitting tall building over here...
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England..................LOL! No need to even start! If we told Blair to attack England...............he'd most likely follow!;) Why don't you have AS MANY terrorist attacks???? (don't deny you have them or shall we look up some archived news????) Probably because they know a lot of you are just pansies and would do nothing! If a terrorist wants to make a point.......he hits a location which will bring international focus and attention......hence, the WTC! Silly boy.............go do something productive for yourself and see a dentist!;)
 

Rison

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Rison: Works though! I don't recall any planes hitting tall building over here...

Algerian terrorists tried to ram a plane into the Eiffel Towers in 1994. But, they couldn't fly.

go do something productive for yourself and see a dentist!

LOL
 

falias

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Um, yeah, nothing's going to happen. Bush just wants to get some mullahs out of he govenrment because they wern't elected. Attacking Iran whould be dumb, even Albright said that. Why would you want to make the tension worse?
 

gunf1ghter

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You are really a hoot... when the US was trying to stay out of WWII (While still providing pilots, weapons and supplies to try to keep you guys afloat) many of your countrymen were calling us all wimps for not helping to bail your asses out and go after the Germans. Now you come here and call us warmongers for trying to nip a similar problem in the bud?

Now you have the nerve to come on this board and brag about how you guys are such good negotiators that you don't have a terrorist problem? You make me sick you shameful panzy. The fine men of your country and mine who gave their lives to keep you from goose-stepping and speaking German are rolling in their graves you disgrace!
 

falias

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<< Wanna see what we'd be fighting??????

IIAF
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Wasen't that the Shah's air force? Does it even exist under the Islamic Repubic of Iran?


Yeah it is, what's the site of the air force now? Those are the planes from the 70's.
 

Red Dawn

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England, a former power that's been reduced to a country that shivers in fear.
 

ToBeMe

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<< I wish I lived where there were no ignorant americans :( >>


Well what's holding you back?????? There are exits to the North, South, East, and West. Please leave in an orderly fashion, oh, and don't let the door hit ya' on the you know what on the way out!;)

BTW.......what makes you so overwhelmingly more intelligent than the rest of the populataion anyway???????;)
 

Mavrick

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<< already the US has some crazy weapons like incredibly accurate wa >>


Would that be the one that hit the chinese embassy, or the ones that had mistaken the redcross building for military bases. LOL!
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Actually, I think he was talking about those that stroke taliban, iraquian and serbian airports, barracks and tank depots



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You americans are utter morons, from the kid who goes into school with a gun and starts shooting, right upto the president who paid his way through education.
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Well, that would mean we, Canadians that Europe love soo much, are morons too (yes, there is shooting in Canada). I'm also sure that violence in Europe doesn't exist (like there are no bums in UK or France).



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Whens the last time you saw these middle eastern people wreaking havoc in the UK or other european locations. We know how to handle things over here, without getting into a pissing contest with terrorists.
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You're right. When Algerian terrorists strike in France, the French just enjoy it and offer more help to Algeria. And if knowing how to deal with terrorists means letting them live in the country and offer them passports so they can come to the US, yes you do know how to deal with'em.



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You know they will win everytime. You think just because you've spent billions disturbing dust in Afghanistan and killing nearly twice as many civillians as the WTC death toll and then chanted USA! USA! a few times and locked the rest of them in outdoor cages, you've won? Hell no! theres always gonna be more of those guys, and if we're clever enough, we seem to be at the moment, they'll still ignore us and go for the US again and again and so on.
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That's probably true, but what can be done about it. If your solution is to kill'em all, well sorry, America isn't a bloodthirsty country. I you think they should be ignored and the US should stop involving in international community, well sorry again, but much of the world (especially you probably) will call them (US) egoists and coward who are afraid to get involved in anything. And of you think UN or other European country should negociate with them, look at how effective this solution really is (name only one case where UN involvment really and durably solved an issue).




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Also, as long as you've got your collective tongues in the Oil Sheikhs' asses, you won't be able to touch them.
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Yeah, the US is always allying itself with inhumane tyrants for oil. In fact, the US is responsible for tyranny and only the pure democratic leaders (like Sadam and the Talibans) are there to free the people from oppression.



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Also, why should a country that has used weapons of mass destruction such as the daisy cutter on innocent civilians in two seperate wars, not to mention the use of Atomic devices on an innocent population, and will not allow international committies for biological weapons report on their biological weapons to protect 'patents', be "upset" that other countries want similar things too. They say, its because those countires are likely to use them... and Amercias never used them? LOL!
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America is a democracy and never declared war on a conquest basis, or in any offending ways. Every time they got involved in a war, they directly protected innocent people from another threat (the Frenchs and Englishs in WW, South Koreans in Korean War, South Viet Namieses in Viet Nam, Kuwaitians in Iraq, Kosovars in Serbia).



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Infact the US is never concerned when fellow associates massacre people, but get upset when a "rogue nation" steps on an ant. God forbid I feel sorry the next time some wacko targets USA.
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The last time a fellow associate (I bet you mean an allied country) massacred people was probably when the imperialist Frenchs got trouble with their colonies (indochina and Algeria) and the foreign legion tried to restore order. And you are right, I don't think they did anything against it....
Still, in the last 40 years, no democratic country ever offended (militarely) another country, so, we don't know what the US would do. But since "rogue nations" targets the US, the US are right to fell threatened and be careful. I know, we all are humans and human life is woth the same for anyone, but every country works on its own protection, and the US citizens wants and pay for protection. I think it's normal they have it.

The problem is, most lefties must realize that the world is not utopic and that the freedom and opulence we have now is the fruit of work, the a gift from God. What we have now is not free, it's a gift given to us by our ancestors and our grand-parents. War were fought to preserve freedom and opportunity for all, and tought I agree that a world were everyone would share its wealth and knowledge and work hard for the community would be quite good, it's only a dream. People will never be equal. Some are tall, some are short. Some are intellectual, some are not. Some are lazy, others not. Why would the most productive persons be punished?

Also, even thought Europe is quite socialist, it is far away from being as free and opened minded as the US.

Think about it.....

(BTW, I have nothing against the UK. They are proud people who enjoy freedom just as much as Americans. I truly respect them)
 

Novgrod

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What it amounts to is this:

US Military budget: 400 000 000 000
Chinese budget: 70 000 000 000
German/Japanese: Right Up There
Everybody else: Not right up there

American troops stationed in Europe: ~100 000

Uncle Sam is filthy rich. He has a big population and an immense military. Is this a good thing? In my opinion (libertarian) it's certainly not. That being said, there are certain benefits to being filthy rich. One of these is that other countries will fall into line when it comes to the nut-cutting time (pardon the expression). At any rate, they'll certainly get the hell out of the way.

Is america immensely powerful? Yes
Is America a global hegemon? Perhaps
Is it a regional hegemon west of the old Russia? You bet

(hegemon is defined as the ability to project force/heavily influence behavior)

America often does awful, awful things. Really bad. Sells Iraq mustard gas, for instance. It often is motivated by non-evil or sometimes even magnanimous ideals. Every european country has done much worse at some point. France, for instance, is blatantly disregarding UN sanctions (don't tell me how the US hasn't paid dues; they're supposed to pay 25% of the expenses of that evil institution) on Iraq.

Anyway: No, Iran can't stand up to the US. No, Europe won't do more than hold a couple protest rallies. Yes, Iran probably has it coming, although war is really a shame and to be averted when possible.

Parting thought: I saw _Black Hawk Down_ and when the ranger shoots the somali, and the somali's son runs to his dad and cries over the dad's bullet-riddled chest, some aschehole behind me shouts to the ranger "Shoot [the unarmed child]! Kill him!" I told him to shut up, and he did, but never underestimate the stupid of America. Or anywhere else.
 

falias

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<< Well, here's another site.....but, the inventory is nearly the same give or take a few............. Iran / Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force >>




Uh, that's the same site.
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<< Well, here's another site.....but, the inventory is nearly the same give or take a few............. Iran / Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force >>




Uh, that's the same site.
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I was looking and posted while you were posting......didn't see yours 'til I was through posting...............;)
 

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<< Parting thought: I saw _Black Hawk Down_ and when the ranger shoots the somali, and the somali's son runs to his dad and cries over the dad's bullet-riddled chest, some aschehole behind me shouts to the ranger "Shoot [the unarmed child]! Kill him!" I told him to shut up, and he did, but never underestimate the stupid of America. Or anywhere else. >>




You dumbass!!! The ranger didn't shoot that guy, the ranger slipped coming out of the doorway and the kid shot his own father trying to shoot the ranger. The ranger then has to deliberate about shooting the kid (since moments earlier the kid was trying to shoot him with an AK47)... but decides not to.

Did you even watch the FREAKING MOVIE??

 

Novgrod

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"You dumbass!!! The ranger didn't shoot that guy, the ranger slipped coming out of the doorway and the kid shot his own father trying to shoot the ranger. The ranger then has to deliberate about shooting the kid (since moments earlier the kid was trying to shoot him with an AK47)... but decides not to.

Did you even watch the FREAKING MOVIE??"


i really, really wish you'd relax. If you don't, you'll have a coronary before age thirty. Point being: Americans, just like all massed people, are prone to violent mood swings and irrational behavior such as wishing death on all sorts of people who really don't deserve death. They (we) also like to believe our governments are operating under the best of intentions and not something so base as security or power politics.

I'm not sure about this at all; if anybody else who's seen the movie can prove me wrong in less angry terms I'd be thankful

The book is better anyway :)
 

gunf1ghter

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Your powers of observation are obviously failing.. guess you were too busy trying to see if you could observe some American being obnoxious. News flash... there are obnoxious people in every nation... better learn to deal with that.

The difference is that obnoxious people in the USA still by and large value human life... we don't teach our people to suicide attack civilians or turn themselves into bombs... we have the common sense and foresight to seperate our religion and government.

 

Mavrick

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Yes, in Black Hawk Down, the somali was shot by his son. The Ranger slipped when passing the door and the bullets went right over his head. I guess we can say he was lucky...
 

Novgrod

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"News flash... there are obnoxious people in every nation... better learn to deal with that.

The difference is that obnoxious people in the USA still by and large value human life... we don't teach our people to suicide attack civilians or turn themselves into bombs... we have the common sense and foresight to seperate our religion and government."

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. Important not to see Americans as the great savior of the world, though. Subject to the same faults and foibles as anyone else, but thanks to what you mentioned, not quite so bad :)

Some of us do all these things, and the founders were among this group.

Some of us want the church dictating morality, and others are busy worshipping at the first church of consumerism, or worse, <shudder> big government.
 

AndrewR

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Point being: Americans, just like all massed people, are prone to violent mood swings and irrational behavior such as wishing death on all sorts of people who really don't deserve death.

Newsflash to you: The kid was a combatant, and there is a high likelihood in my mind that he mourned his father then picked up his AK and went back into the fray. He should have shot the kid.

They (we) also like to believe our governments are operating under the best of intentions and not something so base as security or power politics.

Only a fool believes that governments exist for anything but security and power. Everything else is periphery.