Yikes! Iran says its military is ready for the US

[Red Dawn]

100 Skinnies dead? Well that ought to free up a head of Lettuce for the rest.

 

[BadNewsBears]

<< Anybody found the link to to real air force site yet? >>

Falais. Lol they are real smart, list where there planes are and at what base. Lol LOL

 

[hkazemi26]

At least some of the people in here show some spectre of intelligence. I suppose that is reassuring. Not that it matters. We are all sheep anyway. When was the last time a government official called you to ask you what the government should do or to ask your permission to declare war etc. on someone? Hopefully I'm not the only who hasn't got that call...

 

[MadRat]

<<When was the last time a government official called you to ask you what the government should do or to ask your permission to declare war etc. on someone?>>

Back in Clinton's first year I was in some phone survey on a monthly basis. The survey was funded through the DoD and was targeted at 18-35 year olds. Does that count as at least "asking your opinion"?

 

[hkazemi26]

Since I said "asking your opinion" that can count. But I think the reasons for that are more to gauge public opinion rather than their caring beyod political/re-election concerns. Domestic politics.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

<< 100 Skinnies dead? Well that ought to free up a head of Lettuce for the rest. >>



Now THATS funny sh!t.

 

[MadRat]

<<Now THATS funny sh!t.>>

No, its not.

 

[gunf1ghter]

If the Somalis had any respect for each other they would attempt to resolve these clan disputes and work towards feeding their people... they are far more interested in killing each other (unfortunately)...

 

[gtd2000]

(Americans please note: I AM NOT ANTI-AMERICAN BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION!!!)

ArbitrarilyInsane,
You are right on the money matey

All these DFY's over here are so far up their own arses jerking each other off thinking they are winning the war on terrorism due to having the most technologically advanced military forces in the world. They do have the most advanced forces for sure - but they sure can make mistakes BIG TIME.

Trouble is most Americans have been fed a diet of CNN (Censored News Network) and something which is billed as "Patriotism" - which in reality is something more like avoiding reality and truth, than a love of your country.

The average American is a decent, flag waving citizen, but, unfortunately, most people here have no idea what the rest of the world is about - nothing exists outside of the USA ya see.... No - not all of you on here are that ignorant I'm sure, but you gotta admit some people don't even realise that we speak English in the UK

I have had numerous discussions with US collegues and friends and what disturbs me is that most people are not aware of the reasons that the terrorists attack the USA - they mainly feel it is due to some type of "jealousy" over the differing lifestyles etc - nobody seems to realise that the USA - and my own country (The UK) meddle around in other countries affairs for their OWN benefit and naturally these countries get pissed off.

Unfortunately this is closer to the truth than BOBBY RIBS realises


<< And then colonize the whole area to make it another territory for our oil-loving Republicans. >>



I hope nobody thinks that the US forces are in Afganistan for humanitarian purposes

There was another post here regarding the Europeans and the 2nd World War - well the Brits were fighting that war for 3 years before America decided to enter the conflict - you have that romantic epic (crap) movie from last year to remind ya. Oh yeah - talking of movies U571 - a true story about a bunch of Brits some 2 years before you decided to come into WW2

Yes, this was while the good old Americans at Coca-Cola decided to bring out a new product to sell the Nazis instead of Coke - forget the name? You won't forget the taste...Fanta! Yes it was decided that being a Nazi you shouldn't have Coke to drink 'cos the Allies UK/Can/AUZ/NZ etc etc and most of the then "British Empire" were hard at work fighting the Nazis for 3 years by now remember

The US war machine is based on hard currency - the Americans don't go into a conflict for free ya see - the US business mind is already hard at work and getting the accountants in long before any missiles are fired.

The USA is a great country, but just like any other, it has its flaws. Look for the bigger picture - read between the lines. Sure the US military could blow the hell out of probably any country in the world - but it's not BIG and it's not CLEVER. This is all well and good while you sit on your couch eating TV dinners and driving back from Walmart. If the terrorists ever came here on their terms and waged a war here, the technologically advanced forces that you have could do nothing (very little) for you at all.

 

[gunf1ghter]

Actually I don't think you give very many of us credit... many of us are actually pretty big history buffs, sure we have our share of red neck yokels (like most any country)... however, the reasons that the terrorists can in fact be summed up by Dan Rather (someone who has a hell of a lot more experience in the global arena than most any of us).

As Dan Rather put it, most people like Americans, some are in fact a little jealous of the success that the US has had after the cold war and the fall of the Soviets.... however, those who hate the US the way that these terrorists do are in fact losers

I don't really care what the terrorists are pissed about... our presence in their country, their feeling excluded from the new global economy... I have news for them... EVERY dominant global power has always had their fingers in everything... the Brits, the French, the Russians, the Romans, the Greeks, ad naseum.

I think that the US really has gone above and beyond in trying to resolve things in less than violent fashion... if they attack us though, they should be ready for retaliation.

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< I have had numerous discussions with US collegues and friends and what disturbs me is that most people are not aware of the reasons that the terrorists attack the USA - they mainly feel it is due to some type of "jealousy" over the differing lifestyles etc - nobody seems to realise that the USA - and my own country (The UK) meddle around in other countries affairs for their OWN benefit and naturally these countries get pissed off. >>


So where are we meddling right now where the goverments are pissed off and don't want us there. I can think of one place where the US is against the will of that countries goverment. Cuba.


<< The USA is a great country, but just like any other, it has its flaws. Look for the bigger picture - read between the lines. Sure the US military could blow the hell out of probably any country in the world - but it's not BIG and it's not CLEVER. This is all well and good while you sit on your couch eating TV dinners and driving back from Walmart. If the terrorists ever came here on their terms and waged a war here, the technologically advanced forces that you have could do nothing (very little) for you at all. >>


You say you are not anti-american but you are clearly another arrogant eurotrash bigot looking down his nose at America. And I have news for you "matey" the military here is both big and clever. And we have good dental hygiene. As far as the terrorists coming here and operating on their own terms, why aren't they? Because they know they cannot. They caught us napping once. I seriously doubt it will ever happen again.

 

[gunf1ghter]

He's not necessarily a bigot... however, I continue to find it funny how many europeans believe that they have acquired this new ability to resolve the worlds problems through peaceful negotiations... look at the French, they were soooo happy to help Iraq set up bio-plants in the 80's... even though they must have known damn well that the Iraqi's were going to use them to make biological weapons.

The funny thing to me, is that the Europeans were very isolationist after WWI, and look what happened... they kept backing down to Hitler, and they ended up in the worst conflict in human history.

 

[gtd2000]

<< So where are we meddling right now where the goverments are pissed off and don't want us there. I can think of one place where the US is against the will of that countries goverment. Cuba. >>



Not sure why you would be worried about Cuba personally - it's actually one of the top tourist destinations for the UK nowadays. Of course you wouldn't be allowed to fly there directly from the USA as, "nobody is allowed to go there", according to my colleagues

I don't think I am a bigot - I think I am being extremely objective in my opinions personally - the UK as well as other countries are continually meddling in the affairs of other countries - they don't shout about this from the roof tops or broadcast it on CNN though.

Take the Irish/Americans providing financial support to the IRA who have waged many a campaign against the British security forces in NI and the UK - these are the same US citizens that are "our" allies!

The CIA were operating in Afganistan long before 9/11, the SAS were fighting the Russians alongside the Afgan rebels that they helped train - including the infamous Bin Laden. If you think the terrorists just decided to conduct terrorist acts just for the hell of it - you need to review your outlook on this very complicated and confusing situation that has occured.

Look at the Israeli/Palestine problem - that was created by the Brits after WW2. The problem is futher compounded by the overt support that the US has for Israel. The Arabs have a long history of conflict with the Jews/Israel - by supporting them they already have one reason to dislike the USA. The UK used to control most of the middle east - this was also continually chipped away by the USA who wanted to get a foothold in this oil rich region.

Did the US/UK (and others) fight the Gulf War to free the peoples of Kuwait? Are they free now? What are the great humanitarian western powers doing to make the lives of Kuwaitis better today?

When you look at any area where there is conflict you need to try to look through the "enemies" eyes to understand why they have a differing opnion to what we consider right or just.

I'm sure most Americans who fought (and died/got wounded) in the Vietnam war thought they were doing a great Patriotic deed for the USA - history now tells us that this was a misguided effort.

Were the bomber crews of the Enola Gay murderers or Heros? They vapourised 100's of 1000's of innocent civilians - not military targets...true they ended the war in Japan - but why is it OK for the USA to kill an appauling amount of civilians?

We Brits ain't any better - we had concentration camps for the Boers in South Africa - we even used our own troops for data purposes in the 1950's atomic weapons tests to see what happens to people after exposure to Atomic waste.

This world is not a simple as US = good, Arab = Bad or Capitalist Society = Good, Communist/Socialist = Bad

This world is a very grey area and what is really occuring underneath is probably not very pleasant in the least.

So while all you good ol' boys are sitting here boasting about how superior your military forces are while sitting comfortably in your chair with a coffee - there are actually people out there risking their lives in order for you to have your opinion and the freedom to do so. However not all these missions are simply about getting a bad guy "out" there are often many layers to be stripped down to see the real objective.

And the answer is normally money

 

[gtd2000]

<< You say you are not anti-american but you are clearly another arrogant eurotrash bigot looking down his nose at America.

<<
Where is this clearly demonstrated? If you were really being objective with me - you would admit that most Americans are nowhere near as "globally aware" as they should be to form an accurate opinion on foreign countries. The reason for that is that the average American never leaves the USA I would presume (due to the size - or perception of other "non-free" countries?) - the US also has the lowest %age of of population of any country to hold a passport btw...allegedly.



<< And I have news for you "matey" the military here is both big and clever.

<<
Well I hope so too - but bombing the Chinese Embassy was very intelligent, oh and sinking that Japanese fishing boat with the phenominal technical resources you have on board a US sub-marine took great intelligence too I guess? I believe the US forces killed more Brits in the Gulf War than the Iraqis as well?



<< And we have good dental hygiene.

<<
Just because you have seen Mike Myers play a spoof role in a movie does not mean that you can form an opinion on the dental situation in the UK, of course you have 30 year old here with braces because Americans are born with a different type of teeth than their European Ancestors had huh? I bet you'd like to believe the movie Black Hawk Down is actually factual?..



<< As far as the terrorists coming here and operating on their own terms, why aren't they? Because they know they cannot. They caught us napping once.

<<
What the terrorists did here was a demonstration of what could be done by evil minds. You are also discounting the possibility of terrorism within your own kinfolk. Your population is now so diverse that should anybody wish to partake in a terror campaign it would be very easy to achieve - should the motivation exist. I for one hope this is not a possibility!

I seriously doubt it will ever happen again. >>


And I seriously hope that you are correct too no arguement on that part at all!!!

 

[gtd2000]

Final point before hitting the sack


<< As Dan Rather put it, most people like Americans, some are in fact a little jealous of the success that the US has had after the cold war and the fall of the Soviets.... however, those who hate the US the way that these terrorists do are in fact losers >>



The terrorist have not attacked the USA because of jealousy - this is an extremely niave thing to say - if that was the case there are many other very successful economies in the world to target. How often are Scandinavian countries attacked by terrorists - OK in fact tell me when the last time a Scandinavian country was attacked by terrorist from outwith their own country?

Dan Rather (and I think he seems like a decent guy!) is also part of your media here - there is a very good rule to follow:

"Believe half what you hear - and half what you see"

Anyway good nite y'all

 

[MadRat]

One of the misconceptions of Somalia was that they couldn't work out the civil war themself. Thats not entirely true, because the U.S. used one of their peace talk sessions as a way of pounding a bunch of senior leaders to death. The U.N. was originally there to end the famine, then got into nation building because of internal politcal reasons. You'd have to understand who is in the U.N. leadership and their personal ideologies to understand the political reasons behind the nation building, its all quite complex.

The Afghanistan mission is not money driven, but rather revenge driven. The Taliban really did alot of damage to American interests in the region and were dealt with for it. The meaning of American interests does tend to be money, yes, but thats a pretty simplistic way of looking at the overall picture.

Its sad to say that the white supremist mentality of the special forces in Somalia continues to rub off on our culture. Calling these people "skinnies" is very racially charged, depriving the Somalias of any personal dignity. It is no different than using the N word to describe Black Americans. The sad thing about racism is that you don't even know when you are the unwitting victim of someone else's racism. White Americans, a so called conglomerate of many peoples, has been the target of dicrimination by "white" and "black" Americans alike. There is no such thing as a "white" race, to say you are white removes any diginity of your ancestry. The ignorance of white supremacy is that the members actually believe they all have a common heritage!

There have been some real ill-informed posts about the U.S. military. Anyone that pokes fun at America because of the Japanese fishing boat tragedy is unaware of the circumstances of operating nuclear submarines. There is a reality where the fishing boat is much less a minor significance to the world than a nuclear submarine that is preventing nuclear war. It was a terrible loss, true, thats why they describe it with the word "tragedy". But the nuclear submarine's mission had the right of way as far as importance.

Another misconception held by the British is that the Americans undermine their authority in the Middle East. What authority was that? Last time I checked the people of the Middle East were either being slaughtered by the British under a brutal regime, or they were getting their ass kicked because of retribution. Brutality goes both ways. You are one of the reasons the Arabs hate the west so much. The Crusades are probably the single biggest rallying cry for the Middle Eastern cultures. The Crusades is one of the few common motivators among the nations in the fertile crescent to Turkey.

Isreal is considered by the nations that hate it to be a western colony on their territory. A distinct ignorance of ownership is perpetuated among the underpriviledged that Isreal must be destroyed. Arab leaders have ridden this hatred to promote their own agendas, although they don't necessarily share the need to destroy Isreal. If Isreal was gone then many of the current leaders in northern Africa and the fertile crescent would have no basis for being in power. The real farce is that the land was siezed from Turkey, not from Arabs. The jewish colony was begun in the mid-1800's, long before any of the modern Arab governments were formed. It was formed on a wasteland, not on fertile land. What the Isrealis now have came from their own blood, sweat, and toils. The Palestinians that were displaced were not a common people of Arabs, but a huge mix of many cultures. It is some these cultural divisions in the Palestinians that further complicates the peace process.

 

[gunf1ghter]

You know what? In every conflict that ANY military force has ever been involved with, interesting terms have been used to describe the opposing force. During WWII we called the German's Kraut's, called the Japanese "Jap's" or "Nip's".... during Vietnam we called the enemies "gooks".

This is something that military forces do to make it easier to pull the trigger. You have to mentally prepare yourself for combat and if that means that you must use some dehumanizing terms to describe your opponent than that is what you do.

 

[gtd2000]

<< The Afghanistan mission is not money driven, but rather revenge driven. >>


As far as I am aware 95% of the Afgan peoples are not against the Americans and lived in fear of their lives daily while the Taliban maintained control - these were the same thugs trained and financed by the US/UK?
And of course they wil not be building that oil pipeline when they re-build Afganistan either will they? The one that was alledgedly discussed before 9/11 when the US were going to provide finance to the Taliban in order to secure the rights to an oil pipeline in an area where the Russians have control?

Alledgedly the Taliban were told in no uncertain terms (in Germany by the US) that if they did not agree - they would be bombed. Have you read about that yet?

I have no idea if this is actually factual - but these things must be taken into consideration!

What the public see and hear from the authorities is NOT what is occuring in reality - if we all knew what was really going on underneath - we'd have altogether differring opinions.

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< What the public see and hear from the authorities is NOT what is occuring in reality - if we all knew what was really going on underneath - we'd have altogether differring opinions. >>


But somehow you seem to know. So please, enlighten the rest of us. What's your secret.

 

[gtd2000]

<< There is no such thing as a "white" race, to say you are white removes any diginity of your ancestry. >>


So does than mean there is no such thing as a "white" person being racist to a person of differing colour by that definition?

By calling myself, "white", (which I am) I am removing my dignity? I fail to see your logic in that - dignity has nothing whatsoever to do with skin tone in my world.

We all live on this little planet - some of us make bigger issues out of our differences than others - most of us get along fine without worrying about colour or creed. Certainly there is more categorising of people here in the USA than say the UK.

 

[MadRat]

By including yourself in the "white race" you are removing any dignity of your ancestory. White racists believe in a common ancestry of white men, separate from blacks, yellows, reds, purples, whatever. The truth is that we are less than 2% different in DNA from one person to the next no matter what skin tone or ancestry you happen to originate. Every man would be a "generic man" if you are looking from the standpoint of their DNA. I suggest you not subscribe to using "white", "brown", etc. when talking about humans as a support to the idea of a common heritage for all people.

 

[gtd2000]

<< By including yourself in the "white race" >>



Where did I say I was part of the white "race" - I stated that I was white - my Celtic origin will easily demonstrate the reasons for describing myself as white.

So if we are all the same - why do we have black history month here in the USA - surely it should be generic history month irrespective of colour?

Having black history month must be some of "black" non-generic human "racist" celebration then?

I think most people are simply "people" - sure, they look at each other and see the differences in colour and culture - but it does not mean that all people judge people simply by skin colour or culture alone.

I'm interested as to why you used the "white race" example rather than say any other "race"?

Every colour or creed has a "minority" who feel their "tribe" are better in some or all respects than other peoples. "Whites" are no worse than any others in this respect.

Personally, I believe modern day "racism" (not from the true meaning of having a belief that there are differences between "races") is actually a form of "tribalism" something that would never disappear even if we were all 6' tall with blonde hair and blue eyes. Or 6' tall with black skin and brown eyes.

Humans will always find ways to reduce and separate each other - it's the nature of our species.

Anyway enough hogwash about other peoples - including Iran etc - time to go back to reality and check out the Hot Deals Forum

 

[Bushwicktrini]

As an ex-NAVY man I just want to say the more targets the merrier