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amdforever2

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HEY GOODDAD

TVS AND APPLIANCES HAVE SOMETHING CALLED MARGIN IN EM

IT'S EASY TO GIVE A DEAL


if a customer buys a PC
no service
no cables
no nothing

buys a PC

and mails in ALL rebates

BEST BUY STILL MAKES A PROFIT
of about
$25



Now, if you have a guy buy a PC, pricematch it, return it, repricematch it, buy it openbox, send in the rebates, return it, buy it back, etc

we lose money

straight up low profit transactions are not the problem here

fraudulent ones are
 

Pliablemoose

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A good day for me is a 30% + pricematch @ Best Buy...

I don't buy anything there without a pricematch, ever, I'll go out of my way to make the bastards lose money...
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: amdforever2
HEY GOODDAD
TVS AND APPLIANCES HAVE SOMETHING CALLED MARGIN IN EM
IT'S EASY TO GIVE A DEAL
Keyboards have this key called "CAPS LOCK", it's easy to press it before posting. Oh good - you figured that out.

Originally posted by: amdforever2
if a customer buys a PC
no service
no cables
no nothing
buys a PC
and mails in ALL rebates
BEST BUY STILL MAKES A PROFIT
of about
$25

Yeah, sucks doesn't it? The tech/PC industry isn't exactly known for high margins these days. I worked for a reseller that did computer shows on weekends for a few years, and I watched the decline first-hand, it directly co-incided with the increase in internet retailing. Those low profit margins aren't due to anything else other than the business decision to sell those goods. The reseller in question that I worked for, got out of "systems" largely because of that, and of having to deal with tech-support for "stupid" customers. Mostly the decrease in margins though.

I think that you might be overlooking the fact that while the local BestBuy store might only make $25 on that sale, at least in the case of house-brand computers, BestBuy corporation is still making much more than that. I think that you also overlook that, in some cases, vendors actually actively pay BestBuy for shelf-space in their store. (One little-known fact of many big-store retailers that is overlooked.)

Originally posted by: amdforever2
Now, if you have a guy buy a PC, pricematch it, return it, repricematch it, buy it openbox, send in the rebates, return it, buy it back, etc
we lose money
straight up low profit transactions are not the problem here
fraudulent ones are
I don't think that anyone here was or has defended fraudulent action on the part of the customer. That's just straight-up wrong, no matter which perspective that you look at it.

Although, the same exact thing could be said about BestBuy ("allegedly", although I've seen it personally) shrink-wrapping and reselling used goods as new. I personally welcome the introduction of a restocking fee, as that would give greater confidence that the computer/electronic items that they sell as new, will actually be new. It also discourages people from treating BestBuy as a 30-day free Rent-A-Center. I think that's pretty sleazoid as well.
 

StormRider

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I love Best Buy! I go there every week! There are several hotties working at the cashier and paying for my items is the only opportunity for me to interact with good looking girls! The only problem is that I'm kind of smitten with one in particular and I end up spending up to an hour working up the nerve to pay for my stuff and by then she has left for a break! Also, I'm way too old for her! But I can dream!:eek:
 

TheAudit

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Just went to Best Buy last night and bought a bunch of DVDs for not so much money.
Good deal!
 
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To commemorate a certain electronics chain's foibles, I've created this "I am not Barry--now ah heck off!" button. It's $1.75 and I think Cafepress only wants $1 for shipping (in the US, anyway), so you can put a frown on a local retail store manager's face for just $2.75, assuming the $1 shipping. Others in the know will laugh.

http://www.cafepress.com/IamNotBarry

If anyone buys one and pins it to a jacket, share the reaction you received from people when they saw it at the store. Of course, it's possible that you could get tagged as being a "devil" customer and get blackballed and put on a customer non-admittance list, and have a photo of your face placed in the employee urinal, but what the hey, it would be so funny, it would be worth it. Please share people's reaction to the button with us.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: amdforever2
Oh, and the damned thing is called "Customer Centricity"

not

eliminate the unprofitables


everyone will still be welcome at best buy

they're just finding ways to reduce money losing transactions

and if you're hell bent on making BB lose money and not pay a fair price

then Fvck you
wow . . . .you must be a Beast Buy manager.

:shocked:

you are defending the indefensible.

Best Buy is an IMmoral company with a corporate policy to screw the customer.

I will celebrate the day they go out of business. :)
good riddence to an f'd up company.:p
:roll:

:thumbsdown:
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
To commemorate a certain electronics chain's foibles, I've created this "I am not Barry--now ah heck off!" button. It's $1.75 and I think Cafepress only wants $1 for shipping (in the US, anyway), so you can put a frown on a local retail store manager's face for just $2.75, assuming the $1 shipping. Others in the know will laugh.

http://www.cafepress.com/IamNotBarry

If anyone buys one and pins it to a jacket, share the reaction you received from people when they saw it at the store. Of course, it's possible that you could get tagged as being a "devil" customer and get blackballed and put on a customer non-admittance list, and have a photo of your face placed in the employee urinal, but what the hey, it would be so funny, it would be worth it. Please share people's reaction to the button with us.

:thumbsup::)
 

TheShiz

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Originally posted by: amdforever2
Oh, and the damned thing is called "Customer Centricity"

not

eliminate the unprofitables


everyone will still be welcome at best buy

they're just finding ways to reduce money losing transactions

and if you're hell bent on making BB lose money and not pay a fair price

then Fvck you


such hostility. do you own best buy stock or do you just enjoy defending large corporations with which you most likely have nothing to do with? and anyway, best buy sets the prices, not customers. how could you possibly buy something from best buy that they did not think was a fair price?

 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: amdforever2
HEY GOODDAD

TVS AND APPLIANCES HAVE SOMETHING CALLED MARGIN IN EM

IT'S EASY TO GIVE A DEAL


if a customer buys a PC
no service
no cables
no nothing

buys a PC

and mails in ALL rebates

BEST BUY STILL MAKES A PROFIT
of about
$25



Now, if you have a guy buy a PC, pricematch it, return it, repricematch it, buy it openbox, send in the rebates, return it, buy it back, etc

we lose money

straight up low profit transactions are not the problem here

fraudulent ones are

Why is best buy taking back a computer when the UPC codes have been cut out of the boxes? Best buy is at fault here for their employee's incompetence, not the customer.
 

0roo0roo

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its true, i think they even did a piece on it in business week on how they are so proud of how they train their employees to sucker people. basically forcing poor minimum wage saps to be scummy, even without a commission:p
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: dabuddha

Why is best buy taking back a computer when the UPC codes have been cut out of the boxes? Best buy is at fault here for their employee's incompetence, not the customer.

Best Buy is partially at fault, but you can't entirely remove the blame from the customer if they knowingly violate the terms of the rebate.
 

rudeguy

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Originally posted by: amdforever2
HEY GOODDAD

TVS AND APPLIANCES HAVE SOMETHING CALLED MARGIN IN EM

IT'S EASY TO GIVE A DEAL


if a customer buys a PC
no service
no cables
no nothing

buys a PC

and mails in ALL rebates

BEST BUY STILL MAKES A PROFIT
of about
$25



Now, if you have a guy buy a PC, pricematch it, return it, repricematch it, buy it openbox, send in the rebates, return it, buy it back, etc

we lose money

straight up low profit transactions are not the problem here

fraudulent ones are

oh yeah...tons of margin in $80 twenty inch tv's. $147 washers and $47 car cd players.

we like our price match policy, heck we even give customers 90 days instead of 30.

Here is a little story just to show you the way we work. A guy came in and bought a cheap cd player from me. While he was waiting to get it installed he wanted to look at tv's. He trusted me bacuse I had given him a good eal on the cd player. He walked out spending about $6000.

Now if I had treated him porroly and not welcomed his buisness would I have made that sale?

Let Worst Buy do their thing, we will continue to take the customers that they dont want.
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: dabuddha

Why is best buy taking back a computer when the UPC codes have been cut out of the boxes? Best buy is at fault here for their employee's incompetence, not the customer.

Best Buy is partially at fault, but you can't entirely remove the blame from the customer if they knowingly violate the terms of the rebate.

But best buy is 100% at fault. You don't hear the customer who did this complaining about it. Only best buy is yet they still accept returns like that.
 

Valheruxx

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we lose money

LoL Amdforever, It's farily obvious now, "we", that you work at BB, probably a manager.

I too worked there, the store stucks. Read my post on page two or three of this topic.

Also, if someone returns and item to the store then buys it open box, it's not that big of a deal. First, if the item was of any significant price, they would have charged a restocking fee, televisions, computers, cameras etc. That makes up for the open box 10% initial markdown. Second, if you buy it open box, read the frickin rebate form, they usually state something like "WILL NOT HONOR ANY REBATES IF ITEM HAS BEEN REDUCED IN PRICE". So any BB rebates are null and void. Sure, rebates for other manufacturers are still valid, but BB doesn't lose any money on that, they aren't the one's paying the manufacturer's rebate.
 

NogginBoink

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Originally posted by: shagman
Originally posted by: soflawill
It's one thing to implement a policy such as described in the WSJ article. It's quite another to have s**t for brains and cooperate in the dissemination of this policy to the public via the SWJ.

This is my only problem with the article... what he's talking about is discussed at high levels at ALL retail stores... the difference is that this guy shouldn't be boasting about it in WSJ... what a sure way to shoo off good customers... I mean come on, there's more than the naughty 20% that read the WSJ!


Exactly.

There are investors that read the WSJ who might read the article and say, "you know, I think this guy has a good idea that's going to boost BB profits. I should buy me some of their stock."
 

faenix

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Originally posted by: SampSon
awww poor BB is getting beat by its own tactics of drawing customers in.
:roll:

This is the same "problem" that is affecting the advertising industry, it's called "EDUCATED CONSUMERS".
Companies hate educated consumers. Sucks to be them.

 

allisolm

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Originally posted by: patsfan33
COMPUSA no longer has a 15% restocking fee~:D;)


"Holiday Returns
At CompUSA, we believe in being fair to our customers. If you are not satisfied with a product you purchased from us during the Holidays (11/14 ? 12/24) and you return the product with the original receipt or invoice on or before January 8, 2005, you may exchange the product or receive a refund. If you do not have the original receipt, you may exchange unopened product for a CompUSA merchandise card. Items must be in new condition, with the original box, packaging, manuals, accessories, and UPC code. Opened software, games, and videos may only be exchanged for the same title.

Returns may be credited to a CompUSA merchandise card or, if you prefer, to the original credit card. Purchases made by cash or check over $250 will be refunded by a check from our corporate office within 10 business days. "



 

nealh

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I ma not sure about the restocking fee..becareful..sometimes you have to read further to see the statement about restocking..they may be waiving it just for the holidays too
 

Zebo

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http://www.overclockers.com/articles1139/


"Undesirables"
Ed Stroligo - 11/13/04

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A recent Wall St. Journal article (subscription required) reports that Best Buy wants to make its worst customers go away. The Inquirer recently had a few words about it, too.

We have a somewhat different take on this.

Best Buy calls its "bad" customers "devils." Hmmm, what a nice nonjudgmental term! :)

Are you a devil? According to the article:

"The devils are its worst customers. They buy products, apply for rebates, return the purchases, then buy them back at returned-merchandise discounts. They load up on "loss leaders," severely discounted merchandise designed to boost store traffic, then flip the goods at a profit on eBay. They slap down rock-bottom price quotes from Web sites and demand that Best Buy make good on its lowest-price pledge."

I don't think anyone ethical would defend the first category of customer. It's at least understandable that the second category of buyers are gaming the system and often end up taking all the items on sale before regular customers even know they'll be on sale.

But the third category falls dangerously close to "How dare you use our policies?" Even worse, the article says that up to 20% of Best Buy customers are "bad" customers, and the article implies that "bad" goes a lot further than the above.

"Mr. Anderson [the head of the company] put his chief operating officer in charge of a task force to analyze the purchasing histories of several groups of customers, with an eye toward identifying bad customers who purchase loss-leading merchandise and return purchases."

That sounds an awful lot like customers who just buy sale items at Best Buy are "bad customers."

It goes on to say:

"He maintains that Best Buy will first try to turn its bad customers into profitable ones by inducing them to buy warranties or more profitable services."

In plainer terms, earn your keep or else.

What happens to "bad" customers? Best Buy plans to cut back on promotions and sales tactics that attract the undesirables, and knocking them off mailing lists. There's nothing terribly objectionable to that.

Word to the Wise: Maybe you ought to double-check the policies of the store before buying anything new there, if you're counting on price matches or price guarantees. What was the policy before may not be the policy now.

Besides that, though, it also apparently also wants to make the customers it has left more profitable. They want to turn customers into "angels." Angels are "customers who boost profits at the consumer-electronics giant by snapping up high-definition televisions, portable electronics, and newly released DVDs without waiting for markdowns or rebates."

"Angels" sound more like zombies with wallets to me, but just how is Best Buy planning to do this?

"Staffers use quick interviews to pigeonhole shoppers. A customer who says his family has a regular "movie night," for example, is pegged a prime candidate for home-theater equipment. Shoppers with large families are steered toward larger appliances and time-saving products. . . . [At one store using the new approach], on Tuesdays, when new movie releases hit the shelves, blue-shirted sales clerks prowl the DVD aisles looking for promising candidates. The goal is to steer them into a back room that showcases $12,000 high-definition home-theater systems. Unlike the television sections at most Best Buy stores, the room has easy chairs, a leather couch, and a basket of popcorn to mimic the media rooms popular with home-theater fans."

So salespeople will interview shoppers, and if you're so unfortunate as to admit you like to watch DVDs regularly, off to the home theater section you go, or so is the plan. Like you buy a plasma every week.

A Wake-Up Call

One silver lining in this cloud is that a policy such as this might tell some people who think they are the most valuable customers in the world that they aren't.

I see some people talk about themselves as customers like they were deities, that store personnel should prostrate themselves over the extraordinary honor and privilege of selling them something. You often see this when a place misprices an item, it sounds like, "Of course ____ should sell me that $500 monitor for $5. I (who have never spent $100 in the place before and probably never will) am a valuable customer!!!"

Uh, no, you're not.


My Personal Reaction...
 

oogabooga

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*shrugs* it's justifiable. I'll still be an undesireable customer, but once i have the means to be an 'angel' if i haven't been shopping at best buy, they sure as hell arn't getting any of my buisness.

It's not like their asking for a W2 form confirming a high income before you walk through the door. They've had this kind of policy for some time i believe.