Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: Balt
Now if Best Buy could just figure out a way to keep these attractive policies in place without ever actually having to honor them, they'd be happy. That seems a little unrealistic, though.
Oh, they've already mastered that, trust me. Here's a couple of threads on the subject:
The no price match + rebate policy makes complete sense.
I agree, but up until the point that they changed the policy, it wasn't in any way immoral nor illegal. They let it happen. They just didn't like, or even really expect, that there might be a small percentage of the customers that might figure out those "engineered deals". (Like here on ATHD, for example.)
My point, and my link to those threads, was about
Balt's comment, "without ever actually having to honor them".
Originally posted by: mugs
There are times when Best Buy and one of their competitors have the same deal on a product, but one of them just does a price cut, and the other does a rebate. They're both selling it for essentially the same price, but if they allow a pricematch you can get it for far less than the intended price.
And? It's their fault for not prohibiting taking advantage of their stated policies. For those clever enough, it was a great deal.
Originally posted by: mugs
As for your "no internet sales" post, that's really misleading. I don't know of any store that will match a price that is not advertised in print, and with good reason.
You misunderstood. Those sales were advertised, and they were offered at their local B&M competitor's store. It's just that their competitor's web site also showed those in-store sale offers. The way that their policy is worded, is that they don't have to match them at all.
Originally posted by: mugs
Consumer protection laws in most states require that if a store advertises a price, they have to sell the item to you at that price, even if they run out (with a few exceptions, like if it is advertised as clearance). If they run out, they must give you a rain check. That discourages retailer from offering an item at an amazing deal when they only have a few in stock, just to get you in the door. Can you imagine the problems it would cause if every store had to match every other store's closeout prices? That's what would happen if stores had to match unadvertised prices.
I wasn't talking about unadvertised prices, nor closeout prices. I'm not sure where you ever got that idea.
Originally posted by: mugs
I say unadvertised prices, because in your rant about not matching online prices, you could be referring to one of two things - the online version of the weekly sales flyer (which you could easily obtain by just going to that store)
Yes. And at that point, I would be at their competitor's store, and would no longer have any real reason to price-match at BB, I'd just purchase the item.
I think that was part of my point on that thread. They are actively discouraging people from taking advantage of their price-match policy, which is going to drive customers into their competitor's stores.
Originally posted by: mugs
, or just their online prices for items, in which case my comments about only matching advertised prices applies. But why shouldn't they match the prices in a competitor's online sales flyer? a. you could spoof it, b. why should they waste their time going online to look it up?, c. If you're too lazy to get the competitor's ad, you don't deserve the price match.
The only thing that I can say to that is, you must either be an idiot, or work for BB, which may also include being in the former category as well.
a) I suppose, if I went to the trouble, I could "fake" a web site's ad. So why can't I simply ask them to look it up on their internet/web-connected terminals, and PM based on that? It
is a valid competitor's advertised price.
Plus, I already know that they have internet access, because they've looked up a competitor's price/item on their web site to deny me a price-match -
even after I brought in a printed weekly ad! (Turned out that the printed ad was slightly vague about the product code, and they looked up the exact SKU, and it was a slightly different product that BestBuy sold, even though the same brand and model. In that case, I was willing to accept that they were correct in denying the PM.)
b) You're right. Why should any retail store employee "waste their time" with a customer,
especially one interested in spending money there. I mean, heaven forbid, I might actually purchase something! You sound much like the Mr. Anderson fellow in the article.
c) "Too lazy"? Ok, you win - I'm going to the competitor's store. Hey, while I'm there, why don't I just simply purchase the item. To hit you over the head with a clue-bat - the
whole point of having a (valid, which I question in regards to BestBuy) price-match policy, is to
keep customers coming into your store, and not going to a competitors.
Originally posted by: mugs
d. Most consumers will try to blur the linse between an internet ADVERTISEMENT and an Internet SALES PRICE. "But it's on their website for that price, so they're ADVERTISING it for that price, right? Right?!"
You failed that class in school, right? A listed price for an item,
is an advertisement for that item, at that price.
Originally posted by: mugs
and then yell and complain until the store caves in and gives it to them for that price.
No, I just don't appreciate it when the store promotes one thing, and does another. If they want to attempt to abuse their customers, then - see you later, BestBuy. No thanks.
Originally posted by: mugs
That is even mentioned in the article. (Also, I'm not sure if state consumer protection laws would apply to Internet "advertisments.")
Do you even know what the term "advertisement" means? It has a much wider scope of meaning than just those printed paper inserts that show up in the paper on Sundays.
Originally posted by: mugs
All stores have exclusions in their price matching policies, and contrary to what you would like to believe, they are not their to screw you. Without those exclusions their price matching policies COULD NOT EXIST, because they would cause retailers to lose a heck of a lot of money.
I have no problem with retail chains refusing to price-match "internet
only" prices, but when the prices in question, are for a
local B&M retail competitor, showing their current weekly sales flyer, but it just so happens to be on their web site - why can't I price-match those prices? They aren't internet only, and they are for a local retail competitor. The fact that BestBuy words their policy
intentially vaguely, in order to be able to basically deny price-matches arbitrarily, is what gets me. Especially when they print it on their walls, using words like "guarantee". It's deceptive and intentionally misleading. If you look at the price-matching policies of nearly all of their major corporation retail-chain competitors, they are all more reasonable and precisely-specified.
What doubly burns me, is that they told me, to my face, that they are literally
not allowed to call a competitors store to verify a price for a price-match. This is after they did just that for me, a week prior. Nearly every other store,
intentionally calls their competitor's store to verify price before doing a price-match. Quite frankly, that was, and is, bullsh*t. Needless to say, after recieving such markedly poor service, I rarely, if ever, purchase anything from BB anymore. (I did stop in this week, first time in months, for a couple of 25-pack spindles of DVD+Rs, for $10 each.) If that makes me a "devil customer", for wanting to purchase something that was on sale, and not being roped into buying some rip-off laptop or cables, or heaven forbid, a "service plan" for my DVD+R blanks, then so be it. Let Mr. Anderson run his store chain into the ground.