Yet another Pitbull attack, this time pregnant woman dies.

[NeoV]

Zin - you are wrong - there are plenty of attacks by these dogs whose owners did everything properly.

Where do you think you are going to find 'pro-pit bull' articles? By people with an agenda looking to protect the breed, who are going to spread the myths - it's not the dog - it's the owners, they aren't more dangerous than other breeds, their bite isn't any stronger than other breeds, etc, etc.

Look - Humans own dogs - many humans do a shitty job of owning dogs - with most breeds, that doesn't put people in danger - with this breed - it does, period.

We aren't magically going to make everyone a good dog owner - we also aren't going to stop people from owning dogs. The only real solution is to limit the breed in this case.

Many countries have already banned the breed, required licensing and insurance for the breed, etc - why do we think otherwise?

The statistics tell the whole story - but of course we'll attack the messenger of those statistics rather than the numbers themselves. The CDC offers it's take - and again we're told the numbers are wrong, the media is biased, etc, etc.

In the end - I simply don't understand defending this breed.

I might have a pet tiger - and it might be the sweetest, most affectionate puppy/pet anyone has ever seen - but at the end of the day, it's still a tiger, and the risk far outweighs the benefit - and that's simply not the case for most dog breeds.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The police investigators saw enough to call the death a dog mauling. Isn't that enough for you?

No. See below.

Did you even read the story by Cindy Marabito of the American Pit Bull Examiner? Did you find her claim believable that "unnamed residents" discovered what really happened and the woman fell off a ladder? Really?

I found all stories I've read on this subject thus far to be a bit devoid of conclusive facts.

Do I have to wait for the autopsy results before I can call shit journalism by an animal rights activist shit? Or are you just arguing to argue?

I'm done. If it turns out the autopsy reveals the dog is innocent and she died from a fall off of a disappearing ladder, then I will apologize to you and everyone else who stood firm against jumping to conclusions. Keep an eye on this case and make sure you report the autopsy results when they are in.

Did you read the reporting?

Police are also investigating the slight possibility of foul play by other unknown parties in the interim including ordering an autopsy for Darla Napora. "...you never know, so that is why we are waiting for the reports to make sure we didn't miss anything,"said Pacifica Police Captain Dave Bertini.

Apparently the police aren't jumping to the same conclusion that you already have.

 

[BudAshes]

What if we officially change their names from pit bulls to pit fuzz?

 

[Brigandier]

What if we officially change their names from pit bulls to pit fuzz?

How about Arm(or armed) Pits.

 

[AMDZen]

Zin - you are wrong - there are plenty of attacks by these dogs whose owners did everything properly.

Where do you think you are going to find 'pro-pit bull' articles? By people with an agenda looking to protect the breed, who are going to spread the myths - it's not the dog - it's the owners, they aren't more dangerous than other breeds, their bite isn't any stronger than other breeds, etc, etc.

Look - Humans own dogs - many humans do a shitty job of owning dogs - with most breeds, that doesn't put people in danger - with this breed - it does, period.

We aren't magically going to make everyone a good dog owner - we also aren't going to stop people from owning dogs. The only real solution is to limit the breed in this case.

Many countries have already banned the breed, required licensing and insurance for the breed, etc - why do we think otherwise?

The statistics tell the whole story - but of course we'll attack the messenger of those statistics rather than the numbers themselves. The CDC offers it's take - and again we're told the numbers are wrong, the media is biased, etc, etc.

In the end - I simply don't understand defending this breed.

I might have a pet tiger - and it might be the sweetest, most affectionate puppy/pet anyone has ever seen - but at the end of the day, it's still a tiger, and the risk far outweighs the benefit - and that's simply not the case for most dog breeds.

Well said on all counts :thumbsup:

 

[NeoV]

wait TLC, you mean someone who writes for "The American Pit Bull Examiner" is sticking up for the dog in this story?

Shocking!

 

[zinfamous]

Zin - you are wrong - there are plenty of attacks by these dogs whose owners did everything properly.

Where do you think you are going to find 'pro-pit bull' articles? By people with an agenda looking to protect the breed, who are going to spread the myths - it's not the dog - it's the owners, they aren't more dangerous than other breeds, their bite isn't any stronger than other breeds, etc, etc.

Look - Humans own dogs - many humans do a shitty job of owning dogs - with most breeds, that doesn't put people in danger - with this breed - it does, period.

We aren't magically going to make everyone a good dog owner - we also aren't going to stop people from owning dogs. The only real solution is to limit the breed in this case.

Many countries have already banned the breed, required licensing and insurance for the breed, etc - why do we think otherwise?

The statistics tell the whole story - but of course we'll attack the messenger of those statistics rather than the numbers themselves. The CDC offers it's take - and again we're told the numbers are wrong, the media is biased, etc, etc.

In the end - I simply don't understand defending this breed.

I might have a pet tiger - and it might be the sweetest, most affectionate puppy/pet anyone has ever seen - but at the end of the day, it's still a tiger, and the risk far outweighs the benefit - and that's simply not the case for most dog breeds.

The article I posted isn't so much pro-pitbull as it is pro logic and rationality.

You should read it. The only myth floating around is the one that you are buying into about the supposed evil pit bull, despite the centuries of recorded history regarding these breed's superior loyalty and strengths as an awesome family pet.


Again, i sued to think as irrationally as you on this issue, then I started investigating beyond the sensationalist reporting of those with the anti-pit agenda.

it's that simple, really.

 

[Ns1]

You should read it. The only myth floating around is the one that you are buying into about the supposed evil pit bull, despite the centuries of recorded history regarding these breed's superior loyalty and strengths as an awesome family pet.

Woman in the article believed you til the end.

 

[zinfamous]

lol, a pet tiger?

nearly 30 thousand years of domestication for an animal is somehow comparable to 0 years of domesticated breeding of a large wild animal?

what the fuck kind of numbers do you understand, anyway?

😀

 

[zinfamous]

Woman in the article believed you til the end.

My central point is that the use of numbers for this argument has been drastically misunderstand and misappropriated by the sensationalists.

shit happens. She could have been killed by a junkyard-raised rotty under the same conditions, with the same (possible) lack of knowledge over this particular dog's history...and I wonder how long this thread would have gotten had that been the case?

 

[Ns1]

shit happens. She could have been killed by a junkyard-raised rotty under the same conditions, with the same (possible) lack of knowledge over this particular dog's history

No arguments there - but I know if my corgis went apeshit I'd still be alive to talk about it.

 

[alkemyst]

"Gunner was shot and killed when he escaped the couple’s backyard by police who feared possible attack."

Fucking awesome. This breed shows the stupidity of humanity in general. People have no business keeping these beasts as pets. They were bred to be weapons, and if you're not prepared for that, you kind of deserve what you get.

It's truly the owners in this. Almost all the terrier breeds were 'weapons', almost all the terrier breeds have been involved in serious bites and deaths.

The same people that embrace "my dog is more badass than yours" are the same that are most vocal about 'dog rights' sadly. They are the very problem.

It's always "oh he usually doesn't bite like that" being said constantly and "oh he must have got out of the yard"...it's ridiculous and the media is focused on spinning it to be pit bulls.

Much of the time the predominent breeds are not pit bulls, but other dogs that have that same look...from boxers to presa canarios...everything gets labels pit bull/pit bull mix when it bites someone.

 

[NeoV]

Zin - I know you like to pretend you are smarter than everyone, but - hold on - I did read the article - and if you don't think that was 'pro-pitbull' slanted, then your reading comprehension is fail.

I know it's seems below you, but I too have done my research on this topic. My brother was bitten in the face by a dog and needed over 70 stitches - and the images of that bite, and the blood all over his face and shirt (the bite was directly on his lower jaw/lips/mouth), have stuck with me every time I hear or read about dog bites. Again, I'm sure my research couldn't possibly be as well-read, informative, or accurate as yours, but us peons can only try to reach your level of higher consciousness.

Centuries of breeding?

The 'American' version of the breed isn't that old - and it was never bred to be a lovable family pet. Also - this just in - breeding of this dog in our country is not exactly the most controlled thing - in fact it's certainly one of the problems with the breed - heavy inbreeding has introduced a high degree of genetic problems as well - which, again, don't mix well with the physical tools this breed has.

 

[0roo0roo]

Woman in the article believed you til the end.

yep card carrying believer.
" avid supporter of Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pit bulls, or Bad Rap, which seeks to change attitudes toward the polarizing breed.
"

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/artic...e for killing pregnant Pacifica woman&eddate=
and yes, confirmed, it was dog bite, not "ladder fall".

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Putbull attack here yesterday.

http://www.news.com.au/national/child-killed-in-dog-attack-at-st-albans/story-e6frfkvr-1226117002241

"It is believed the dog escaped from a neighbour's yard and entered the home where Ayen Chol and her five-year-old cousin were playing."

 

[StepUp]

Pitbull genetics have regressed horribly over the last 30 years due to the upswing in back yard breeders in the states. There are way too many dogs with shitty temperaments being bred.

Unfortunately, you guys can cry all you want that it's not the breed, it's the owner, but it's bullshit. Owner can help mask the genetic problems that these dogs have, but once they reach sexual maturity, they are loaded guns and should be treated as such.

And just so you don't think I'm some biased anti- Pit Bull fanatic, here is a picture of my 4 month old:

As long as Pitbulls remain popular and cheap, dogs with the wrong temperament will continue to pass their aggressive tendencies on. The breed needs a major clean up.

 

[Fausto]

Pitbull genetics have regressed horribly over the last 30 years due to the upswing in back yard breeders in the states. There are way too many dogs with shitty temperaments being bred.

Unfortunately, you guys can cry all you want that it's not the breed, it's the owner, but it's bullshit. Owner can help mask the genetic problems that these dogs have, but once they reach sexual maturity, they are loaded guns and should be treated as such.

And just so you don't think I'm some biased anti- Pit Bull fanatic, here is a picture of my 4 month old:

As long as Pitbulls remain popular and cheap, dogs with the wrong temperament will continue to pass their aggressive tendencies on. The breed needs a major clean up.

You know he was only on your desk for easier access to your jugular, right? 😱

 

[Fausto]

I would wager there is some truth to what you stated, but there's just as much knee-jerk OMG PIT BULLS ARE THE DEVIL nonsense going around. Having worked with lots and lots of dogs, I can tell you there are plenty of other breeds likely to eat your face who do not have much of a stigma attached to them. Dalmations, Cockers, Chows, Akitas, Shar-pei, Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, etc are all incredibly shitty dogs for the most part. We had to put several Chows down over the years I was a vet tech because they ate little Timmy's face one day out of the blue.

 

[StepUp]

You know he was only on your desk for easier access to your jugular, right? 😱

Dogs with proper temperament (regardless of breed) should never go after their owner. There is a reason we use decoys in personal protection training.

http://animal.discovery.com/videos/its-me-or-the-dog-weapon-on-a-leash.html

 

[lowrider69]

The bullshit term "loaded weapon" applied to pits is ridiculous. Any breed can be a "loaded weapon". I have a feeling many of the people that use that term watch a lot of hunting shows and walk around with camouflage hats on their head. Tough guys in their own mind.

Backyard breeders are a problem and many of them fall into the category of morons who use the breed to fight or as a......... "loaded weapon". Again we're back to people.

Pits have the stereotype of being a "weapon" and morons get them to train them to be a weapon. Or they don't know shit about training an animal.

I have been bit several times(once in the face by a Shepard)by dogs I didn't own and my one dog was tore up by another dog I didn't own. None of them were Pits.

 

[lowrider69]

I would wager there is some truth to what you stated, but there's just as much knee-jerk OMG PIT BULLS ARE THE DEVIL nonsense going around. Having worked with lots and lots of dogs, I can tell you there are plenty of other breeds likely to eat your face who do not have much of a stigma attached to them. Dalmations, Cockers, Chows, Akitas, Shar-pei, Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, etc are all incredibly shitty dogs for the most part. We had to put several Chows down over the years I was a vet tech because they ate little Timmy's face one day out of the blue.

Most Vets and Vet techs are morons as well, no offense to you personally. I had one Vet I used to use and he was a old timer, he was great and knew how to work with dogs. A lot of the newer Vets don't know shit, all they know how to do is hand out drugs. I have met too many Vet techs that just sucked, they had no business dealing with animals, they were there for a paycheck only. Shar Peis can be aggressive, you need to know how to work with them. I have owned several of them, never had an issue.

 

[StepUp]

The bullshit term "loaded weapon" applied to pits is ridiculous. Any breed can be a "loaded weapon". I have a feeling many of the people that use that term watch a lot of hunting shows and walk around with camouflage hats on their head. Tough guys in their own mind.

Backyard breeders are a problem and many of them fall into the category of morons who use the breed to fight or as a......... "loaded weapon". Again we're back to people.

Pits have the stereotype of being a "weapon" and morons get them to train them to be a weapon. Or they don't know shit about training an animal.

I have been bit several times(once in the face by a Shepard)by dogs I didn't own and my one dog was tore up by another dog I didn't own. None of them were Pits.

The term loaded weapon is applicable, but there are varying degrees of control.

 

[Genx87]

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-pregnant-woman-killed-family-pitbull,0,6865737.story
http://www.examiner.com/dogs-in-san...orgives-pet-pit-bull-for-attacking-an-killing
Owner continues to defend the dog..it killed your wife for crissakes!

" She was a longtime supporter of Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pit Bulls or Bap Rap and groups who seek to promote understanding about the breed."

Irony meter pegged.

I wonder in her last seconds if she thought differently about the breed?

 

[lowrider69]

The term loaded weapon is applicable, but there are varying degrees of control.

I obviously know what the term means. I use the word aggressive. "Loaded weapon" sounds like tough guy talk, just sounds stupid and dramatic to me.

 

[StepUp]

I obviously know what the term means. I use the word aggressive. "Loaded weapon" sounds like tough guy talk, just sounds stupid and dramatic to me.

Most people I know don't use it as a blanket statement, but rather to signify an aggressive dog that is not properly trained and socialized.