Yet another Pitbull attack, this time pregnant woman dies.

[Fausto]

Humans killed by pitbulls in 2009 in the USA: 14

Humans killed by humans in 2009 in the USA: 15,241

Can't find any useful statistics on how many pitullls there are, but the fact remains I'm more comfortable around dogs than humans.

I think you missed the point. The dogs were going to kill due to their nature whereas the humans made a conscious decision to kill.

So, it's different, right? :hmm:

 

[SP33Demon]

Now we're comparing our dogs to the Columbine killers. Some of you are fcking morons for lack of a better term. Calling for a dog ban is as stupid as banning all guns. If anything, large dogs with stronger biting power (G.Shepherds, ABTs, Huskies, Chows, Rotties) should be regulated better through mandated formal training. Want to own a large dog? Then get it certified, which would cost thousands of dollars and be run through the state. It would definitely cut down on the ghetto trash that is allowed to own it. Regarding the story, do you think that a guy who named his dog "GUNNER" was a gentle owner? lmao

 

[911paramedic]

I was dating a woman that had two former K9 "washout" dogs and one of them had bitten two people and several other dogs at the dog park. She defended that dog with her life and didn't seem to see the problem. I refused to go to the dog park with her after I saw how she let it roam around and would ALWAYS get into trouble.

People can be strange that way. Sad.

RIP

 

[zinfamous]

Far more people die on bicycles every year than via dogs of any kind. Clearly we need to ban bicycles as well.

...and fast food.

...and cars.

...and tall trees.

.....and farm equipment.

...and swimming pools.


:hmm:

don't forget coconuts and stairs.

 

[zinfamous]

ya'll seem to be missing the point that the pitbull in the OP is deemed to have been an "ideal' pitbull that would "never hurt anyone" and was supposed to be family friendly.

this is not a "gangsta chain around neck" pitbull that killed the woman.

the article didn't say that. it just suggested that these people believed it to be the case.

I think it's entirely possible that this was a rescued pitbull that they thought they could handle.

Clearly, they were wrong.

 

[zinfamous]

Agreed. All Pit bulls would be spay'd or neutered before they could even be sold. All shelters would have to do this as well when they are adopted. And a waiver would have to be signed by the person taking the pit bull.

Any new breeding would be outlawed. It won't stop it, but the other laws would at least take the numbers down. And it would for licensed breeders. Pit bull attacks leading to death are on the rise, there is clearly something wrong with the breed.

What exactly is it that people see that they just have to have a pit bull regardless of this happening? There are plenty of other similar breeds that you don't have to gamble on. It makes no sense to me.

there is nothing wrong with the breed simply because attacks are rising.

attacks are rising because pit bull numbers are rising. And unfortunately, they are being raised in deplorable circumstances.

the same with how German Shepards had the most attacks in the early 80s--they were the most popular breed at the time.

The APBT has been one of, if not the most popular breeds to own in this country since inception, and only now we seem to have a problem?

something is odd with the way you interpret numbers.

 

[AMDZen]

there is nothing wrong with the breed simply because attacks are rising.

attacks are rising because pit bull numbers are rising. And unfortunately, they are being raised in deplorable circumstances.

the same with how German Shepards had the most attacks in the early 80s--they were the most popular breed at the time.

The APBT has been one of, if not the most popular breeds to own in this country since inception, and only now we seem to have a problem?

something is odd with the way you interpret numbers.

I don't believe that for a second, if you want to post stats on ownership numbers going up I'd be more then happy to analyze and look at the data, but I think this is your opinion. Your opinion doesn't matter, more and more cities, municipalities and states are passing breed specific legislation in response to a number of well-publicized incidents involving pit bull-type dogs. You may not agree with it, but its happening. The breed will continue to be banned in more and more places and with good reason.

My opinion doesn't matter either, because I'm not the one passing the legislation nationwide. Worldwide actually, since all over Canada and other countries like Australia are doing it as well. It all ranges from banning ownership, mandatory spay/neuter for all pit bulls, mandatory microchip implants and liability insurance, or prohibiting people convicted of a felony from owning pit bulls. But Pitt bulls are at the center of every BSL bill passed everywhere in the country and the world.

So clearly, this isn't just a few peoples opinion on a message board, this is a global issue that is getting notice.

 

[stargazr]

Humans killed by pitbulls in 2009 in the USA: 14

Humans killed by humans in 2009 in the USA: 15,241

Can't find any useful stats on how many pitbulls there are, but the fact remains I'm more comfortable around dogs than humans.

Yeah, I wonder too. Take 2010 - 33 fatal attacks, but out of how many millions of dogs? Maybe there are a lot more pits than Rottweilers, which would mean they are statistically just as dangerous.

If we take the years 2005-2010 (eliminating 2011 since it's not yet a full year) the average percentage of pits involved in reported fatal dog attacks is 57%.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't believe that for a second, if you want to post stats on ownership numbers going up I'd be more then happy to analyze and look at the data, but I think this is your opinion. Your opinion doesn't matter, more and more cities, municipalities and states are passing breed specific legislation in response to a number of well-publicized incidents involving pit bull-type dogs. You may not agree with it, but its happening. The breed will continue to be banned in more and more places and with good reason.

My opinion doesn't matter either, because I'm not the one passing the legislation nationwide. Worldwide actually, since all over Canada and other countries like Australia are doing it as well. It all ranges from banning ownership, mandatory spay/neuter for all pit bulls, mandatory microchip implants and liability insurance, or prohibiting people convicted of a felony from owning pit bulls. But Pitt bulls are at the center of every BSL bill passed everywhere in the country and the world.

So clearly, this isn't just a few peoples opinion on a message board, this is a global issue that is getting notice.

posting for the elventybillionth time on ATOT:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/02/06/060206fa_fact


it's not really opinion; history of the breed and a proper examination of the numbers doesn't really fly into the opinion realm.

Honestly, I used to support the failed and misguided notion that pit bulls were deadly weapons and monsters and should be completely outlawed, until I started investigating the matter, rather than simply spout out what reactionary and sensationalist reporting wants me to think.

 

[AMDZen]

posting for the elventybillionth time on ATOT:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/02/06/060206fa_fact


it's not really opinion; history of the breed and a proper examination of the numbers doesn't really fly into the opinion realm.

Honestly, I used to support the failed and misguided notion that pit bulls were deadly weapons and monsters and should be completely outlawed, until I started investigating the matter, rather than simply spout out what reactionary and sensationalist reporting wants me to think.

OK where are the numbers in that article, I'm not going to read five pages to get the numbers. And is there support for the numbers that the author used?

Secondly, it doesn't matter if you or I agree, its happening. Like I said, I do not support BANNING the breed outright without conditions and considerations, I do agree with having to spay/neuter all pit bulls and having some of the other things done that are already being done. Such as mandatory liability insurance on the pet, and other such things.

 

[zinfamous]

OK where are the numbers in that article, I'm not going to read five pages to get the numbers. And is there support for the numbers that the author used?

Secondly, it doesn't matter if you or I agree, its happening. Like I said, I do not support BANNING the breed outright without conditions and considerations, I do agree with having to spay/neuter all pit bulls and having some of the other things done that are already being done. Such as mandatory liability insurance on the pet, and other such things.

the problem with banning is how do you define a pit bull? there are many, many breeds that people recognize as "pit bull," and if you go to a shelter, the majority of the dogs are some type of mix. People that think they are demons simply by genetics would not be able to accept any kind of "pit bull" blood.

But I do agree that there needs to be legislation to take bad owners to account. serious licensing, astronomical fines and/or prison for violators.

the article goes on at length based on an SPCA (I think) study from ~80-2003? or so. It's in there somewhere.

If you're familiar with Malcolm Gladwell (The Tipping Point, Blink), then you'll recognize that he doesn't write anything without a pile of numbers behind his argument.

 

[AMDZen]

he problem with banning is how do you define a pit bull? there are many, many breeds that people recognize as "pit bull," and if you go to a shelter, the majority of the dogs are some type of mix. People that think they are demons simply by genetics would not be able to accept any kind of "pit bull" blood.

Pit bulls are defined by 4 specific breeds

Staffordshire bull terrier
American pit bull terrier
American Staffordshire terrier
American Bully

the article goes on at length based on an SPCA (I think) study from ~80-2003? or so. It's in there somewhere.

I'll take your word for it, I skimmed the whole thing twice and didn't find anything. Regardless, the death and serious injury numbers I'm referring to are 5 year stint between 2005 through 2009 and they had gone up alarmingly.

My experience first hand isn't necessarily limited, but I've also never had one as a pet or have very close friend that had one either. However, although I wouldn't characterize the ones I've been around as being violent or evil, all of them accept for one made me uncomfortable. The owner would say "oh he's just playing" well he is biting me solidly and hard, I don't care if he's playing or not get him off me or I'll kick him in the nuts. And I love almost all dogs. I wouldn't own the breed or allow my kids to be around one, I'll just leave it at that.

 

[NetGuySC]

At least it was the owners family and not an innocent neighbor who was killed.
When I worked in animal control I worked a call where the family pit bull that was raised from a pup and stayed indoors, literally ripped off the nose of the owners 11 year old daughter in their house. There was blood splattered all on the walls. Once they beat the dog off her face it latched onto and broke her arm.

 

[NetGuySC]

A pit bull is a loaded weopon. Most pit bull owners that i see treat their dog no differently than owners of labs or other breeds. Pit bulls are instinctively agressive to other animals and i believe this agressive instinct can also displayed toward people without provocation.

 

[NetGuySC]

Thinking a well treated pit bull isn't dangerous because you are not a bad dog owner is like saying a well treated bloodhound loses it's superior sense of smell because you are not a bad dog owner.

 

[BUTCH1]

Fuck that dog and fuck pit bull supporters. Those dogs need to be illegal to own in residential areas. Like I've told my neighbor who kept letting her pitbull out, I'm going to put a bullet in it's head if I see it loose again. And I won't hesitate to run over it with my car either.

I have a neighbor who lets her Shepard out like that and it runs in my backyard to start shit with my pit who is on a steel chain (not kept on a chain, just when she has to go), last week it came up behind me growling at me while I opened my shed, damm I was pissed. When she finally opened her back door to let in it I ripped her a new one, I have already called the cops on this asshole and it keeps happening. You might not like pit's but if it's not on your property causing a problem you have no right to shoot at it although I agree that anyone who lets their dog roam unattended is a complete asshole.

 

[Ns1]

n/m

 

[Broheim]

A pit bull is a loaded weopon. Most pit bull owners that i see treat their dog no differently than owners of labs or other breeds. Pit bulls are instinctively agressive to other animals and i believe this agressive instinct can also displayed toward people without provocation.

they can't differentiate between humans and dogs the same as we can. you can train them (through proper socialization) to react differently to the two, but when push comes to shove the animal will fall back on its instincts.

the reason why dogs are domesticated is because the line between dog and human doesn't exist in the eyes of the dog. the notion that pit bulls were bread to only be aggressive towards other dogs and not humans is preposterous, there are limits as to what can be done genetically, the only thing you can do is socialize it properly and cross your fingers.

 

[lowrider69]

You should tell her to learn how to control a dog.

The problem isn't bad dogs, it's humans that think they know how to take care of dogs.

I agree. I have dealt with and owned many different breeds of dog including pit bulls. The situation with Pits is they're stereotyped due to for the most part because there's pieces of garbage out there that acquire them for the wrong reason i.e... to fight. Or you get the backwards moron who ties the dog to a tree and leaves him outside 24/7 or throws him in a crate 24/7. Then they wonder why the dog is off the wall when they let it off the leash or out of the crate once in a while. They don't train them...at all. They scream and yell and smack the dog around between beers and during commercial breaks while watching Jerry Springer. If you can't take care of a dog, don't get a dog, or any animal. Yes they are strong dogs, yes they are tough dogs and if you train them to hurt or abuse them they will be aggressive. Any dog will be aggressive if you train them to be, if you abuse them or mistreat them.

Other reasons a dog can snap is a brain tumor, rabies, meningitis, or other specific illnesses.


I have read the stats about pits, most are BS when you dig deeper.


With that, I feel very bad this happened no matter what the reason. That shouldn't happen to anybody. This lady and her husband love the breed and loved this dog according to the story. My examples of garbage environments and mistreatment I mentioned above were not directed to this women or her family. They were general examples.

 

[Ns1]

I agree. I have dealt with and owned many different breeds of dog including pit bulls. The situation with Pits is they're stereotyped due to for the most part because there's pieces of garbage out there that acquire them for the wrong reason i.e... to fight. Or you get the backwards moron who ties the dog to a tree and leaves him outside 24/7 or throws him in a crate 24/7. Then they wonder why the dog is off the wall when they let it off the leash or out of the crate once in a while. They don't train them...at all. They scream and yell and smack the dog around between beers and during commercial breaks while watching Jerry Springer. If you can't take care of a dog, don't get a dog, or any animal. Yes they are strong dogs, yes they are tough dogs and if you train them to hurt or abuse them they will be aggressive. Any dog will be aggressive if you train them to be, if you abuse them or mistreat them.

Other reasons a dog can snap is a brain tumor, rabies, meningitis, or other specific illnesses.


I have read the stats about pits, most are BS when you dig deeper.

the dog in the OP was none of this.

 

[lowrider69]

the dog in the OP was none of this.

Autopsy. They're checking the dog for illnesses. Right? Something else about the slight possibility of foul play by other unknown parties. Usually more to the story. If it gets reported is a different story.

"Tazi is being held for observation while a necropsy is preformed of the suspect dog Gunner for signs of illness or other possible causes for the attack. Police are also investigating the slight possibility of foul play by other unknown parties in the interim including ordering an autopsy for Darla Napora. "...you never know, so that is why we are waiting for the reports to make sure we didn't miss anything,"said Pacifica Police Captain Dave Bertini.

Results of the autopsy and necropsy are not expect to be announced for several weeks."

 

[zinfamous]

A pit bull is a loaded weopon. Most pit bull owners that i see treat their dog no differently than owners of labs or other breeds. Pit bulls are instinctively agressive to other animals and i believe this agressive instinct can also displayed toward people without provocation.

again: far more than any other dog breed, aggressiveness towards humans has been specifically selected against for many, many generations. It is completely incomparable in this way to other breeds. This is over 200 years of the dog's breeding history, and you simply can not make such spurious claims that reject the fact of the dog's true stock.

the danger with a pit breed has to do with its physical build. Many, many dogs have very high prey drives, and it is certainly high in pit bull terriers, but unlike all other breeds, human aggressiveness is essentially gone.

Whenever you have one of these attacks, it is nearly always from a dog with questionable stock.

 

[zinfamous]

Autopsy. They're checking the dog for illnesses. Right? Something else about foul play. Usually more to the story. If it gets reported is a different story.

"Tazi is being held for observation while a necropsy is preformed of the suspect dog Gunner for signs of illness or other possible causes for the attack. Police are also investigating the slight possibility of foul play by other unknown parties in the interim including ordering an autopsy for Darla Napora. "...you never know, so that is why we are waiting for the reports to make sure we didn't miss anything,"said Pacifica Police Captain Dave Bertini.

Results of the autopsy and necropsy are not expect to be announced for several weeks."


With that, I feel very bad this happened no matter what the reason. That shouldn't happen to anybody.

my first thought with the ptehr dog cowering in the corner was that there was some sort of home invasion--and wondering who's blood that was. The one dog going after the owner, possibly after the attacker, could be an issue of confusion.

it's all speculative, I didn't want to bring it up yesterday b/c it sounds so bizarre, and one would assume that the suggestion would have appeared in the article if the police likewise thought something was odd.


...then again, it is a horribly-written article, and pit bull is involved...so yeah. assume nothing but sensationalism and partial truth.

 

[lowrider69]

my first thought with the ptehr dog cowering in the corner was that there was some sort of home invasion--and wondering who's blood that was. The one dog going after the owner, possibly after the attacker, could be an issue of confusion.

it's all speculative, I didn't want to bring it up yesterday b/c it sounds so bizarre, and one would assume that the suggestion would have appeared in the article if the police likewise thought something was odd.


...then again, it is a horribly-written article, and pit bull is involved...so yeah. assume nothing but sensationalism and partial truth.

Yeah, I'm not trying to make excuses for the dog, but I've been around a lot of dogs and have owned many dogs. I'm not Cesar Millan but I have many years experience with them and usually something is wrong(stuff I listed in my last post) with that particular dog or the environment or both if it is overly aggressive.

 

[thegimp03]

I love dogs, but I won't ever own a pitbull.