BoberFett
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$8 is too low. $25 is too high. $15 is just right.
Surely you have scientific evidence for these numbers.
No? You pulled the number out of your ass? That's what I thought.
$8 is too low. $25 is too high. $15 is just right.
That's an important thing to note, it is not household income, it is a single person's income. Clearly with household income the requirement would be much lower.
McDonald's managers make 40K/year. You call that a decent wage?!! And that is her very very top end. Pathetic.
Your example assumes that 100% of an increase to the minimum wage is transmitted upwards to other jobs, which is obviously untrue.
It also assumes that 100% of a warehouse's costs are labor related, which is also obviously untrue.
If you were a semi-skilled worker making $20/hr and suddenly a teenaged moron in a hairnet is making almost as much as you, you're not going to be satisfied with your pay. Why go to all the trouble of self-improvement and increased responsibility for a couple bucks an hour? I predict that a massive change to minimum wage will ripple upwards far more than you think. Guess we'll see.
And striking is now asking in a more forceful way.
Unfortunately, she has no value to the business to back up that forceful way in which is now demanding more pay for the same work.
No education. No skill set ( 26 and a cashier at McD's).
Add to that the hundreds of other equally skilled applicants ready to apply for her job at minimum wage pay. There is zero incentive for McDonalds whether it is a corp store or franchised store to pay her more.
Hope she enjoys her strike.
If you were a semi-skilled worker making $20/hr and suddenly a teenaged moron in a hairnet is making almost as much as you, you're not going to be satisfied with your pay. Why go to all the trouble of self-improvement and increased responsibility for a couple bucks an hour? I predict that a massive change to minimum wage will ripple upwards far more than you think. Guess we'll see.
$8 is too low. $25 is too high. $15 is just right.
If $15 isn't a living wage, why is it just right? Exactly what is it about $15 that makes it the magical number?
Sure. But I think the law should not have a variable min wage based on number of kids. $15 at least covers one adult's living wage and leave some room for a child, so public assistance can be reduced. $8 does not cover even one adult's living wage, so it puts undue burden on taxpayers.
If $15 isn't a living wage, why is it just right? Exactly what is it about $15 that makes it the magical number?
How much do you think I think it would ripple upwards? How much do you?
Should be enough to at least get most full time minimum wage workers out of poverty and/or off welfare. You don't think people working full time should live in poverty or on public assistance do you?
Yeah like half a kid :\
http://livingwage.mit.edu/places/1703114000
Feel free to pick what you think minimum wage should be based off of
1 adult = $10.48
1 adult + 1 child = $20.86
1 adult + 2 children = $25.51
Note that none of those are close to $15/hr
2 adults and 1 child is close to $15/hr per adult.
In any case, $15/hr is a lot closer to living wage than $8/hr.
Again, if you want a society where people working full time need food stamps and welfare to survive, OK, but then don't complain about 47% and government dependency.
Should be enough to at least get most full time minimum wage workers out of poverty and/or off welfare. You don't think people working full time should live in poverty or on public assistance do you?
And per the experts a living wage for a single adult living in chicago is $10.48/hr. This is significantly below $15/hr.
So how did you come up with $15/hr?
Great, so a MW increase means we can cancel welfare altogether? Food stamps gone. Section 8 housing gone.
Make that a part of the proposal and you'll have Republicans on board.
But you won't make that deal, because you still want to keep people on those government bennies, that's your voter base. Can't have them losing dependence on Uncle Sugar.
I suspect that you don't think it will have a noticeable effect. You usually wear blinders when it comes to your pet issues.
Just to pull numbers out of my ass* I'd guess that the upwards pressure of a minimum wage increase would begin at people who are making just over minimum wage that want to maintain their increase over minimum wage and on those making up to the new minimum wage plus the increase from the old minimum wage.
So a jump from $7.25 to $15.00 would mean people making up to $22.75 would expect an immediate bump. At the lower end of the scale, I would guess those people will expect to maintain 100% of their previous amount over MW, phasing out to 0% as it approaches the upper end. Someone making $8.25 now would expect $16.00 to maintain their $1.00 over MW, someone making $20 might expect $21.00. The largest increase would be in those right in the middle, someone making $15.00 right now would likely expect $18-20.
Of course all the way up the scale the middle class will see their prices increase, and the middle class lifestyle will decrease to meet the lower class, not unlike what's happening between the US and the third world, at a different scale.
* If pulling numbers out of asses is good enough for those claiming to have the ideal minimum wage, it's good enough for me.
She can try but I doubt they will succeed in that
However a couple of things. . only $600 per month takehome? 8.25*40*4 is 1350 before taxes, something is wrong there.
She has had a couple things derail in her life that has left her as a single parent and without child support so I am sympathetic to that. Things don't always pan out.
Alternative solutions would be to work more hours, if you are subsistence living maybe 50 hours a week is necessary and yes she's gonna need a support network of family and friends to lean on.
Ask for a raise or move on. I'm surprised at McD's Chicago for not having a progressive pay to a level When I worked at 7-11 as a teenager we had regular pay bumps after time accrued ABOVE min wage and pension and benefit plans 'weak but they existed' I recall my brother who worked at McD's had a similar experience
I've found that people often mistake "wearing blinders" for "actually looking at the empirical evidence" when the evidence tells them things they are ideologically predisposed not to like.
Of course it will have a noticeable effect. It would be absurd to think it wouldn't. Looks like you suspected wrong, huh?
Seems like a broadly reasonable idea to me.
Whoops! You lost me there. This fails to account for decreased social safety net usage, second and third order spending issues, etc. There is actually a lot of academic research on the inflationary effects of minimum wage increases. They are modest.
Those blinders, man!