Yet another fast food worker strike

[fskimospy]

There are tens of thousands of people looking for kids to adopt. Put them up for adoption. I'd wager their lives would turn out much, much better.

Sitting here and wringing our wrists while maintaining the status quo doesn't help these kids either.

Even a quick look into adoption would show you how absurd that "solution" is. First, outcomes for adopted children are usually worse than children of equivalent backgrounds who are raised by their natural parents.

Second, and more importantly, there are already tons of kids of this socioeconomic background waiting to be adopted. Since there aren't enough adoptive parents out there that means foster care. Anyone familiar with the outcomes for children placed in foster care would realize that your solution would create a societal nightmare. Did you know that two out of three kids in foster care will be homeless, dead, or in jail within one year of leaving the system?

How is your solution anything other than a catastrophe?

 

[inachu]

Nothing will happen.
BAck in the day when we had the walkout called "A DAY WITHOUT A MEXICAN"

Nobody in USA noticed anything wrong. No slowdown in service.
Mexican Americans had nothing to worry about.

 

[nehalem256]

Even a quick look into adoption would show you how absurd that "solution" is. First, outcomes for adopted children are usually worse than children of equivalent backgrounds who are raised by their natural parents.

Second, and more importantly, there are already tons of kids of this socioeconomic background waiting to be adopted. Since there aren't enough adoptive parents out there that means foster care. Anyone familiar with the outcomes for children placed in foster care would realize that your solution would create a societal nightmare. Did you know that two out of three kids in foster care will be homeless, dead, or in jail within one year of leaving the system?

How is your solution anything other than a catastrophe?

Are you talking about infants being adopted or older children?

 

[brandonb]

So to be clear, you would like to eliminate programs to feed children if their parents are unable to do so. Is that correct?

If so, can you explain why this is holding the parents responsible for their actions? It sounds an awful lot like you're holding the children responsible for their parents actions.

No, don't eliminate the programs.

But if someone can't take care of their brood there is a price to pay (holding someone accountable, like I said) Force the parents to work for those benefits. Make them do community service like picking up trash on the side of the highway, or painting over graffiti in the inner city.

It's not a job. Its the price for that program.

 

[nehalem256]

Second, and more importantly, there are already tons of kids of this socioeconomic background waiting to be adopted. Since there aren't enough adoptive parents out there that means foster care. Anyone familiar with the outcomes for children placed in foster care would realize that your solution would create a societal nightmare. Did you know that two out of three kids in foster care will be homeless, dead, or in jail within one year of leaving the system?

And you think that most children in the foster care system come from married middle class families?:hmm:

 

[Veliko]

No, don't eliminate the programs.

But if someone can't take care of their brood there is a price to pay (holding someone accountable, like I said) Force the parents to work for those benefits. Make them do community service like picking up trash on the side of the highway, or painting over graffiti in the inner city.

It's not a job. Its the price for that program.

It's not a job, no; it's slavery.

 

[fskimospy]

No, don't eliminate the programs.

But if someone can't take care of their brood there is a price to pay (holding someone accountable, like I said) Force the parents to work for those benefits. Make them do community service like picking up trash on the side of the highway, or painting over graffiti in the inner city.

It's not a job. Its the price for that program.

So while the parents are picking up trash, who is watching their kids?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Even a quick look into adoption would show you how absurd that "solution" is. First, outcomes for adopted children are usually worse than children of equivalent backgrounds who are raised by their natural parents.

Really? So middle class people adopting poor kids have worse outcomes than kids staying in poverty and likely resulting in generational poverty? That's interesting.

Second, and more importantly, there are already tons of kids of this socioeconomic background waiting to be adopted. Since there aren't enough adoptive parents out there that means foster care. Anyone familiar with the outcomes for children placed in foster care would realize that your solution would create a societal nightmare. Did you know that two out of three kids in foster care will be homeless, dead, or in jail within one year of leaving the system?

Taking your facts at face value, it seems that the foster care system needs work too. Great, let's kill two birds with one stone!

How is your solution anything other than a catastrophe?

You still haven't answered what your solution is.

 

[shira]

Parents would tend to care whether their children starve to death or not. So they will be more inclined to use birth control or get abortions.

Also, care to explain how you are not engaging in hostage taking?

But the right is opposed to providing public-funding (these are poor people, remember?) for birth control. And the right is totally opposed to abortions. So it sounds like you've got a totally consistent argument there, dumbass.

 

[soccerballtux]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/01/news/companies/fast-food-worker-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

Again, the sob story about a 27 year old woman with 2 kids (one being 8 years old, so she was preggers at 18)... With no father in the picture for her two kids... Who thinks she should be paid twice what she currently is just to survive... Who hasn't skipped a meal in 15 years and is obese... Is going on strike in the next few days to attempt to fix this injustice.



Why do I not have any sympathy? Is there something wrong with me? CBD?

they never pic the legitimate stories with the skinny hard working mom of two

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So while the parents are picking up trash, who is watching their kids?

How about by other people collecting aid, to be supervised and trained by specialists in the field? It's a win-win -- they get job skills and documented work history on their resume and may be able to break the cycle of poverty.

 

[nehalem256]

Really? So middle class people adopting poor kids have worse outcomes than kids staying in poverty and likely resulting in generational poverty? That's interesting.

I would suspect its because of a skewed comparison.

Consider. Middle class Child A has both parents die while young and is adopted by another family at age 10

Middle class Child B lives with both parents his entire life.

Is it a surprise that the adopted child has a worse outcome? Not really. But it isn't because they were adopted.

 

[nehalem256]

But the right is opposed to providing public-funding (these are poor people, remember?) for birth control. And the right is totally opposed to abortions. So it sounds like you've got a totally consistent argument there, dumbass.

And the left is totally for public-funding of abortions and birth control.

Seems like the left is being awfully inconsistent too doesn't it?:hmm:

I mean unless of course you believe that poor women have a right to pop out as many bastard children and extort money from society.

 

[fskimospy]

How about by other people collecting aid, to be supervised and trained by specialists in the field? It's a win-win -- they get job skills and documented work history on their resume and may be able to break the cycle of poverty.

So you want unlicensed day care workers taking care of children? This sounds like a legal nightmare. Alternatively, you want to hire large numbers of licensed day care specialists? On top of the administrative costs for the trash picking and enforcement arm of this new bureaucracy this sounds like a hugely expensive program.

It sounds like we're taking children away from their parents and putting them in industrialized day care so that their parents can perform menial tasks in order to satisfy some people's sense of moral justice.

This sounds like a great idea.

 

[brandonb]

It's not a job, no; it's slavery.

That's their choice.

What do you call it when I have to work 40 hours per week from age 18 to age 62 for the exact same quality of life that these people on assistance are getting?

Is that not slavery?

I'm confused. I thought it was the liberal socialist agenda that we all get our government check, and we all do our little job in the world? So some have the job to do and other's don't? Who determines who does what and who gets to do nothing?

 

[WackyDan]

How is it unrealistic? Everybody else on the planet can seem to figure it out. Why can't people in poverty? Are they just unable or unwilling?

I had posted a couple of articles upstream that specifically put numbers on the higher birth rate of the impoverished versus those of better means. He obviously chooses to ignore that.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So you want unlicensed day care workers taking care of children?

That isn't what I said.

This sounds like a legal nightmare. Alternatively, you want to hire large numbers of licensed day care specialists? On top of the administrative costs for the trash picking and enforcement arm of this new bureaucracy this sounds like a hugely expensive program.

Here we go with the hand wringing.

It sounds like we're taking children away from their parents and putting them in industrialized day care so that their parents can perform menial tasks in order to satisfy some people's sense of moral justice.

This sounds like a great idea.

As opposed to leaving them to rot in poverty on the government teat?

Again, what is YOUR solution?

 

[nehalem256]

That's their choice.

What do you call it when I have to work 40 hours per week from age 18 to age 62 for the exact same quality of life that these people on assistance are getting?

Is that not slavery?

I'm confused. I thought it was the liberal socialist agenda that we all get our government check, and we all do our little job in the world? So some have the job to do and other's don't? Who determines who does what and who gets to do nothing?

Socialism: From each according to his ability. To each according to his need.

Seems like liberals are forgetting half of socialism D:

 

[fskimospy]

Really? So middle class people adopting poor kids have worse outcomes than kids staying in poverty and likely resulting in generational poverty? That's interesting.

Do you realize how rare it is for middle class people to adopt a child out of poverty? What I meant was that all things being equal taking a child away from their parents leads to worse outcomes.

Taking your facts at face value, it seems that the foster care system needs work too. Great, let's kill two birds with one stone!

This wouldn't kill two birds with one stone, this would create a humanitarian catastrophe. You show me a fixed and thriving foster care system and then I'll entertain the idea of putting thousands and thousands more people in it.

It's very easy to complain about the system as it is. Not so easy to find a better one, is it?

You still haven't answered what your solution is.

You guys are the ones saying the system has to be changed, not me.

 

[shira]

Actually there is a simple solution that punishes the parents and not the children. Allow them to continue collecting welfare for additional children, but then take that money out of their social security/medicare in the future.

And when these retirement-age "punished" people cannot afford food or housing or medical care, we'll just let them die on the streets, right? I mean, absolutely no public funds will be used once these people reach retirement age?

You see, it's this refusal to understand/accept reality that distinguishes the right from the left. The right has a fantasy-view of how society actually works, and all of their opinions are based on the fantasy.

 

[WackyDan]

Everybody else does what? Refrains from having sex? Refrains from having children?

Whichever one you're going with here you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Or they fucking use some form of birth control greatly reducing the odds - as I already mentioned. Planned Parenthood and even the state gives away free birth control. It isn't hard math to figure out.

They can also choose partners carefully. So you know, the baby daddy actually sticks around.

 

[Veliko]

That's their choice.

What do you call it when I have to work 40 hours per week from age 18 to age 62 for the exact same quality of life that these people on assistance are getting?

Is that not slavery?

I'm confused. I thought it was the liberal socialist agenda that we all get our government check, and we all do our little job in the world? So some have the job to do and other's don't? Who determines who does what and who gets to do nothing?

Well we're talking about people who are living in poverty here - are you living in poverty?

 

[brandonb]

So while the parents are picking up trash, who is watching their kids?

All I hear is little excuses for everything. Much like these people on assistance. Just say you don't believe that anybody should be responsible for any of their actions and there should be no accountability.

So if there shouldn't be any accountability, why should anybody work and pay taxes? How is that society going to function? Please enlighten me.

 

[Veliko]

Or they fucking use some form of birth control greatly reducing the odds - as I already mentioned. Planned Parenthood and even the state gives away free birth control. It isn't hard math to figure out.

Yes and you already mentioned that you often haven't bothered to use birth control as well.

It isn't hard math to figure out that even poor people are going to have sex without it as well.

They can also choose partners carefully. So you know, the baby daddy actually sticks around.

So it's the woman's fault if the man buggers off?

 

[fskimospy]

All I hear is little excuses for everything. Much like these people on assistance. Just say you don't believe that anybody should be responsible for any of their actions and there should be no accountability.

So if there shouldn't be any accountability, why should anybody work and pay taxes? How is that society going to function? Please enlighten me.

How are these "little excuses"? They are glaring flaws in your plan. Considering that your position is based in large part on the idea that people should consider the consequences of their actions is it too much to ask for you to consider the consequences of what you're proposing?

Like I said, complaining about the system is easy. Finding something better is hard. People don't realize what they are saying until they sit down and think it through.