Yet another fast food worker strike

[fskimospy]

No actually you didn't even address my irrefutable claim.

I said, if has 100% choice over whether to have a child, then it is her fault if she chooses to have a child she cannot feed.

You didn't even address that. You merely argued that welfare is for the child. Which in no way addresses who is at fault for the child needing welfare in the first place.



Funny that they aren't mentioned. Why isn't it called PIC then?

That was so illogical it didn't seem to require an answer. You're choosing to ignore necessary preconditions to pregnancy when assigning proportions of "fault". There is no legal standard that exists that I am aware of that assigns responsibility in the way you described.

Also a two sentence refutation! This is like shooting fish in a barrel. Amazing, considering that the logic was supposedly "irrefutable". Don't bother flailing more by the way, I won't be responding.

 

[Knowing]

To be honest if you're genuinely struggling with this then you must be emotionally retarded.

I'll forgive you for your namecalling if you can walk me through the logic I must be missing. Hormonal birth control prevents pregnancy at a greater than 95% rate when used properly. Hormonal birth control is at worst heavily subsidized and is at best free. Condoms are available for sale over the counter and often times free at high schools, colleges, and clinics because "they're going to have sex anyway."

So with this bevy of resources can you tell me exactly how unplanned pregnancy persists in the year 2014? Do we need more sex education, do kids not understand that sex makes babies? What's the solution this time?

 

[brandonb]

This is pretty shockingly obtuse.

By the way, what is your solution to the problem?

Hold people accountable for their actions in life.

What did people do 150 years ago in the frontier days when we didn't have this safety net? They managed. They used their noggin before making poor choices and prevented the problem before it occurred. Not after.

Why does it have to be any different today?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

/gets popcorn for how bad liberals are getting schooled in this thread.

 

[Veliko]

Could it be related to their bad behavior choices? Much like the rest of their lives? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this puzzle. Which is why you keep dodging the question. To answer it honestly, you'd have to admit that the person is responsible for their lives, and you just won't give in. Cool. When you come around, we can fix the problem. Right now keep sweeping it under the rug and get nowhere.

Dodging what question?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the puzzle, no... and the answer is, as I've said several times now, that people are going to have sex whether you like it or not.

For the vast majority of human history people have lived in poverty and in conditions where they struggled to survive from one day to the next... and yet they had sex and they had kids en masse.

 

[fskimospy]

Such smugness and arrogance. Why is it unreasonable to expect people to use birth control if they're in poverty and it is free?

I do agree that your post is dripping with smugness and arrogance. Was this what you intended?

Lots and lots of poor people do use birth control. Due to poor education and other social circumstances they use it at somewhat lower rates than wealthier people. Plenty of wealthy people have pregnancies due to a failure to use birth control, as well. I mean what did you think all those "happy surprises" are?

People are people. Instead of wagging our finger at those we declare to be inferior how about you tell me a solution?

 

[fskimospy]

Hold people accountable for their actions in life.

What did people do 150 years ago in the frontier days when we didn't have this safety net? They managed. They used their noggin before making poor choices and prevented the problem before it occurred. Not after.

Why does it have to be any different today?

Be specific. What do you want to do?

 

[Veliko]

I'll forgive you for your namecalling if you can walk me through the logic I must be missing. Hormonal birth control prevents pregnancy at a greater than 95% rate when used properly. Hormonal birth control is at worst heavily subsidized and is at best free. Condoms are available for sale over the counter and often times free at high schools, colleges, and clinics because "they're going to have sex anyway."

So with this bevy of resources can you tell me exactly how unplanned pregnancy persists in the year 2014? Do we need more sex education, do kids not understand that sex makes babies? What's the solution this time?

Because people get horny.

 

[nehalem256]

That was so illogical it didn't seem to require an answer. You're choosing to ignore necessary preconditions to pregnancy when assigning proportions of "fault". There is no legal standard that exists that I am aware of that assigns responsibility in the way you described.

Is pregnancy a child?

Seems to me that liberals want to claim that pregnancy and a child are completely different.

And then when they are provided the logical conclusions based on this throw an enormous fit.

 

[brandonb]

Dodging what question?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the puzzle, no... and the answer is, as I've said several times now, that people are going to have sex whether you like it or not.

For the vast majority of human history people have lived in poverty and in conditions where they struggled to survive from one day to the next... and yet they had sex and they had kids en masse.

Most people who had sex in the past and had children had a worse quality of life than the chick in the OP who is making $8.25 an hour. Who has a roof over her head, tons of food in her belly, and all she has to do is say "Would you like fries with that?"

 

[nehalem256]

Because people get horny.

If only there was a 100% effective way of preventing children that could be applied after the "horniness" :hmm:

 

[Veliko]

Most people who had sex in the past and had children had a worse quality of life than the chick in the OP who is making $8.25 an hour. Who has a roof over her head, tons of food in her belly, and all she has to do is say "Would you like fries with that?"

Sorry, what is your point here?

 

[brandonb]

Be specific. What do you want to do?

If I was a dictator, I'd say "You are responsible for your own actions. Before popping out 2 kids, you might want make sure the father sticks around and build a family. Find a keeper. If you unable or unwilling, that's your choice, and good luck."

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I do agree that your post is dripping with smugness and arrogance. Was this what you intended?

Ah, I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Reread your smug and arrogant post and get back with me.

Lots and lots of poor people do use birth control. Due to poor education and other social circumstances they use it at somewhat lower rates than wealthier people. Plenty of wealthy people have pregnancies due to a failure to use birth control, as well. I mean what did you think all those "happy surprises" are?

The difference being, of course, is that wealthy people can support those "accidents" and aren't being supported by public assistance.

People are people. Instead of wagging our finger at those we declare to be inferior how about you tell me a solution?

I don't care if poor people on government assistance have 20 kids. I care when my tax dollars end up funding their activities and irresponsibility. Set a limit to the number of kids qualifying for assistance and after that, no more additional funds.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Be specific. What do you want to do?

And what is it *YOU* want to do? Be specific.

 

[fskimospy]

If I was a dictator, I'd say "You are responsible for your own actions. Before popping out 2 kids, you might want make sure the father sticks around and build a family. Find a keeper. If you unable or unwilling, that's your choice, and good luck."

So to be clear, you would like to eliminate programs to feed children if their parents are unable to do so. Is that correct?

If so, can you explain why this is holding the parents responsible for their actions? It sounds an awful lot like you're holding the children responsible for their parents actions.

 

[Knowing]

Because people get horny.

I was unaware that being horny reduced the effectiveness of birth control. This would be entirely new to me, can I read the study?

 

[Veliko]

If I was a dictator, I'd say "You are responsible for your own actions. Before popping out 2 kids, you might want make sure the father sticks around and build a family. Find a keeper. If you unable or unwilling, that's your choice, and good luck."

That's pretty much how it was in the 19th century yet people still had sex and still had kids.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't care if poor people on government assistance have 20 kids. I care when my tax dollars end up funding their activities and irresponsibility. Set a limit to the number of kids qualifying for assistance and after that, no more additional funds.

And what happens to these additional children? Are you ok with allowing them to starve to death?

 

[Veliko]

I was unaware that being horny reduced the effectiveness of birth control. This would be entirely new to me, can I read the study?

I was unaware of this as well. However, I was merely answering this question:

So with this bevy of resources can you tell me exactly how unplanned pregnancy persists in the year 2014?

 

[fskimospy]

That's pretty much how it was in the 19th century yet people still had sex and still had kids.

And in the 1800's while implementing this genius solution you had literally thousands and thousands of abandoned and starving children roaming the streets of NYC on any given day.

Wow, that sounds like a great plan. I wonder why we stopped doing it.

 

[Knowing]

No... No... You are doing it wrong. Please let my political action group whisper in your ear first to get the ball rolling. we'll show you how to lose your job... ERRR... strike for higher pay.

chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/09/04/fast-food-workers-arrested-at-minimum-wage-protest-rally/

CHICAGO (CBS) – Several protesters were arrested Thursday morning on the South Side, after blocking 87th Street in front of a McDonald’s and a Burger King, as part of a nationwide effort to get fast food restaurants and other businesses to pay workers at least $15 an hour.
Fast food workers dressed in red rain slickers shut down 87th Street between State and Wabash by staging a large sit-in, after walking off their jobs Thursday morning, as part of an organized protest to demand a $15-an-hour minimum wage.

"Sorry boss, I won't be coming in today because I'm striking. I won't be in tomorrow because I was arrested and I'm going to need a couple days off for dealing with it."

 

[IndyColtsFan]

And what happens to these additional children? Are you ok with allowing them to starve to death?

There are tens of thousands of people looking for kids to adopt. Put them up for adoption. I'd wager their lives would turn out much, much better.

Sitting here and wringing our hands and wrists while maintaining the status quo doesn't help these kids either.

 

[nehalem256]

So to be clear, you would like to eliminate programs to feed children if their parents are unable to do so. Is that correct?

If so, can you explain why this is holding the parents responsible for their actions? It sounds an awful lot like you're holding the children responsible for their parents actions.

Parents would tend to care whether their children starve to death or not. So they will be more inclined to use birth control or get abortions.

Also, care to explain how you are not engaging in hostage taking?

 

[nehalem256]

Actually there is a simple solution that punishes the parents and not the children. Allow them to continue collecting welfare for additional children, but then take that money out of their social security/medicare in the future.