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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
And when you lose the entire team (or this company loses the contract from ATTBI) because we can't POSSIBLY fulfill the outrageous requirements from the company and ATTBI, that's 100% the fault of the workers, right?


nope... you start over with new employees, probably at a lower pay rate, and you get them to perform to goals. If they cannot meet the goals, then the company needs to re-evaluate goals.

welcome to the wonderful world of call center operations.

So... you're telling me that in order for the company to re-evaluate goals, they have to completely hire a new crew?

what a crock of bullsh|t


Yea so the new Techs can be like " umm reinstalle windows thankyou good bye." The Time per call is the dumdest way to measure how well a tech is doing and is only getting ride of customers

I really feel like starting that. But I know it's not right. I can't bring myself to do it. :(
 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: Cyberian
Could you tell me/us what those measurements are?

sure..

AHT = Average Handle time (how long you handled a call, including hold time and wrap time)
AWT = Average Wrap time (how long you took after the call ended, to go back into available (or take the next call)
ASA = Average Speed of Answer (how long it took you to answer the calls sitting in queue
NCH = Number of Calls Handled

we also have an AHD = Average Hold time (how long you keep a customer on hold) our goal is 30

everything is in SECONDS.

Monitor scores are rated on a scale of 1-4 (one meaning handled it poorly, four meaning handled the call excellently)
You have about 15 items you are graded on, and your score is the average.




 

ScottyB

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
DOUBLES THEIR WORK LOAD AND CUTS THEIR CALL TIMES, do you still go "welp, you're not perfect, so you get the pink slip"??

<devils advocate mode> This is a business plain and simple. To expect the business to adapt to YOU is stupid. You MUST adapt to the business. If you dont, then you are not good for the business. </devils advocate mode>

And when you lose the entire team (or this company loses the contract from ATTBI) because we can't POSSIBLY fulfill the outrageous requirements from the company and ATTBI, that's 100% the fault of the workers, right?

That is why there are things called "unions" nik, but you are republican so you probably think they are bad.
 

Stallion

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It might be the best thing for ya to quit. In a way I hope I get laid off from my job. I know my attitude wil pick up and my home life will get alot better. I hate this place, and no one gives a rats a$$ any more. I'm already looking into a small buisness for myself so that when and if I get the boot I'll have another way to make a few bucks.

I have been here 15 years and have had enough. More then 30,000 poeple have got the boot so if I'm to be next, bring it on. :)

 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
The Time per call is the dumdest way to measure how well a tech is doing and is only getting ride of customers

nope.. time per call is how the budget is made. If your tech spends 2 hours on a call, he is costing you more per call, and handling less calls.

In a call center environment, it costs you approximately $1/second for each call.

A 20 minute call will cost you $1,200.

It's all about getting the most for your money.





 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
get a Manual laborers job,you know like a groundsworker, roofer,mason's helper,etc
then you can tell the boss kiss my backside,and,then at the end of the day buy him a beer.

I used to do that. I loved it. I also was paid $7/hr for it in HS. I cannot live on $7/hr without moving back home and cancelling every service that I use.

Damn man... go union.... Benefits, great pay, and it's almost impossible to get fired unless you injure someone...

And did I mention great pay... the only caveat is the hours... 10 hour days... 7-5:30

Do it for one year, and you'll be able to pull clear..
 
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I think it sucks that the Mod gave nik the boot for the holiday season.


Christ. Have a heart for gods sake.
 

Phuz

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Jul 15, 2000
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Wow, wow, wow.

Welcome to the world of call center politics.

You supervise a team? Oh, WOW! That makes you an EXPERT about what's going on over here! You know EVERYTHING, don't you! You must know what kind of restrictions have been set in place and how a job can be DOUBLED while the call time requirements cut. Yeah, do you mind explaining that to me, your majesty? Because that makes a LOT of sense. You're so cold and ruthless that who would want to work for you? Jesus Christ, if you put someone's nuts in a vice, do you expect them to go "thank ya massah! may ah please have some'moh?"

Nik, but the higher the call volume, the better the handle time. You have more of a chance to ballance it with the variety of calls you get.
I work a night shift

If you think your call volume is high, come work at NHD.
If you can't keep your handle time on stat, then it is YOUR fault.
Try working a day shift at NHD and being in que ALL day, for the WHOLE shift.


The only people higher then you are NOC? What about NHD/OTE?
 
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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I'm being a workaholic because I can't FIND another job that pays $10.20 around here to start without certifications - which I don't have - which I was going to go to school to get via the company's internal university. Now that it's gone, I have to save up for community college (and prove myself to my girlfriend's dad that I'm not just a worthless lump) which isn't happening because I have too many fscking bills now that I've moved out of the house away from my mother. It's a huge circle -the symbol used at the turn of the millenium: the snake eating it's own tail to survive.

If the US falls, this will be why.
 

Phuz

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I'm being a workaholic because I can't FIND another job that pays $10.20...

I've been here 3 months and I make $11/hr and just worked a 105hr pay period...

 

michaelh20

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Let me say as a person who has done customer service, a bit less techie than tech support that cutting call times is basically giving the customer the shaft, one way or another because there is just no way a person can cut call times to any significant degree and still do the call the right way. I can not for the life of me imagine of all things cutting Tech Support calls to 3 minutes (Was that for this company in question?).. that's basically outrageous.

The people that work these calls should know how long an average call should be and once they are forced to go significantly below it, someone is getting the shaft. And that person is the customer, and everyone else who waits in queue. So if you think this is perfectly fine for a company to do this in the name of business keep it in mind the next time you have in-experienced or rude people that hang up on you in a split second or put on hold for half an hour, because it is exactly this kind of policy that gets people like this employed.

Plus having a tremendous turn-over (because of poor working conditions or poor pay <-- often the case) also means that you get to deal with people who don't know what they're doing and make mistakes. Hence hacking away and firing your most experienced people is the worst thing you can do, because you'll just be left with all the green people.

I worked for a company that had pretty poor response times because of how poorly they paid their workers and this company is doing nationwide service calls for people business's and equipment. Imagine sitting on hold for 20 minutes - 1hr while your business is completely disabled and the people who are supposed to fix it don't know what they're doing because they're all paid $8/hr and leave the company as soon as they can.
 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: LordSegan
I think it sucks that the Mod gave nik the boot for the holiday season.


Christ. Have a heart for gods sake.

yeah that was kind of unfair.

unfair, maybe, but not unseen... every reply he didn't agree with was "fsck you, a$$hole" ... that's gonna get you kicked easily.

 

Phuz

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cutting call times is basically giving the customer the shaft, one way or another because there is just no way a person can cut call times to any significant degree and still do the call the right way.


That isn't true at all. If you punt people left and right you're going to get caught.
If you are good at your job, and know the symptoms and the fixes, you'll reach your handle time and do your job well.

 

michaelh20

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start looking around for tech jobs outside the call center environment. you will find plenty of relaxing tech jobs that pay $20 and up for people with little or no certifications.

Pray tell what kind of jobs are these? I'm just curious.
 

michaelh20

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That isn't true at all. If you punt people left and right you're going to get caught.

The problem in my mind is not the people that can solve people's problems faster, it's people that cut corners to make that extra 5 or 10% bonus the want. I suppose it's partly a matter of perception exactly where that line is between cutting corners and being good and fast. In Customer Service, esp. more so than Tech support, cutting corners will usually mean making more mistakes somewhere... usually by not informing people of things they should know and not going out of the way to make sure things are o.k. with the customer's account. For example if a customer calls you about some simple minor little thing and you notice the customer has a $500 bill :) You could (1) say nothing and wait till they get the bill or (2) prepare yourself for a long call.
 

michaelh20

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Is this the only company that does the service for ATTBI, or are there others? I might want to avoid them in my jobsearch.
 

CraigRT

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Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: Millennium
Originally posted by: gopunk
man i saw the hottest chick not 20 minutes ago....

full breasts.... like C cup... tight brown sweater... tight brown denim skirt... nice curvy hips..... oh MAN. and she had the cutest frown on her face. and the way her body moved.... oh god help me

Damn and you didn't get any pics? WTF is wrong with you? Eh?

even if i had a camera with me, pics would not do her justice... she demands to be seen in 3d! aieee.



sorry for hijacking your doublepost btw ffmcobalt. you should reduce your call times by hanging up on people prematurely :p

We get fired for hanging up on one customer even once.

There's a company that needs to be shutdown..
why are you working there? i'd leave if they told me that.. i'd tell them to stuff it huge as i walked out the door..
then i'd pull a milton and burn the building down.
 

Phuz

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Yield


Hanging up on people is serious. Why? Because its fraud.
This is contracted work. Outsourced tech support.
If we hang up on someone, the company gets payed, and the company that is PAYING for the service loses money on that call.
The company is payed PER call.
 

PeeluckyDuckee

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Depends on the reason for the hangup though. If there's a legitimate reason, then I don't see why not. If someone is being a real dick and swearing his head off at me, insulting me, and treating me like dirt do you think I will tolerate that? No. I'd kindly warn him and if it continues I'll simply say thankyou for calling but I'm not going to listen to any more of this and hang up.

But hanging up for the sake of lowering call times is of course a no no.
 

CraigRT

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Originally posted by: Phuz
Yield


Hanging up on people is serious. Why? Because its fraud.
This is contracted work. Outsourced tech support.
If we hang up on someone, the company gets payed, and the company that is PAYING for the service loses money on that call.
The company is payed PER call.

Well that's an F-ing gay job then isn't it.
"but somebody has to do it!!"
well that somebody that doesn't like it, won't do it!
that includes me.

screw that.
 

CrazyDe1

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That's a shame...ATTBI has some of the worst customer service ever and I'd hate to see them lose a good tech too....I swear it takes a year to get anything done w/ ATTBI

"I can't ping out"
"Did you power cycle?"
"Yes"
"POWER CYCLE AGAIN!"
"didn't work"
"alright we'll create a ticket"


"tier 2 whats your ticket #"
"o we don't know whats up we'll send out a line technician"
blah blah blah this happens once every few monthes
 

Phuz

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"I can't ping out"
"Did you power cycle?"
"Yes"
"POWER CYCLE AGAIN!"
"didn't work"
"alright we'll create a ticket"


"tier 2 whats your ticket #"
"o we don't know whats up we'll send out a line technician"
blah blah blah this happens once every few monthes


LOL.

We have to go through the same process.. in the sense that, if you have something more "serious" going on with your connection.. we have to get approval from mentors/mods/sr techs, and if we didn't do those REDUNDANT steps over again, they aren't going to approve you to go anywhere.