YART: welfare recipiant has a Scion TC???

[Eli]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli

Anyway, your first mistake is assuming that the 1 million dollar grant is for reasearch that will generate 2 million in revenue later on. It could be to install a new toilet system.

Usually grants are for research. They're called "research grants". I've never heard of the government giving a company money to install toilets.

It was an example, probably an obsurd one.. but yeah.

My point is that it is up to the issuer of the grant to decide the rules for who gets them. No different than Welfare.

If you are a grant issuer, and it comes to your attention that people are abusing your grants..

Aren't you going to want to make your rules more strict? That's why most grant programs are indeed very strict. I don't understand why the Welfare system isn't the same way.

What are we arguing about again?.....

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli
What the fsck is wrong with you?

A: I'm not a liberal that feels that it's society's responsibilty to feed a welfare queen's kids so she can buy a new car and install 22 inch chrome rims on it.

WTFFFFFFFFFFFF????????????????????

Show me where I said that's the way I feel.

Have you COMPLETELY IGNORED EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SAID?

If you were actually paying attention to what I was saying, you would know I'm COMPLETELY AGAINST what you just said.

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!! :|:|:|:|:| Fsck off and die.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli
What the fsck is wrong with you?

A: I'm not a liberal that feels that it's society's responsibilty to feed a welfare queen's kids so she can buy a new car and install 22 inch chrome rims on it.

WTFFFFFFFFFFFF????????????????????

Show me where I said that's the way I feel.

You're using the typical liberal mindset that it's never the person's fault for abusing the system... it's the systems fault for being abusable.

I guess it's also not the triggerman's fault for firing the gun- it's the gun's fault for doing the only thing it's designed to do. And the gun manufacturer for making it.

My beliefs:
1. Personal responsibility.
2. Self-sufficience.
3. no handouts
4. Support yourself or let natural selection do its job.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli
What the fsck is wrong with you?

A: I'm not a liberal that feels that it's society's responsibilty to feed a welfare queen's kids so she can buy a new car and install 22 inch chrome rims on it.

WTFFFFFFFFFFFF????????????????????

Show me where I said that's the way I feel.

You're using the typical liberal mindset that it's never the person's fault for abusing the system... it's the systems fault for being abusable.

I guess it's also not the triggerman's fault for firing the gun- it's the gun's fault for doing the only thing it's designed to do. And the gun manufacturer for making it.

Please, that's ridiculous.

Anybody who would say that it is the gun's fault for killing someone is a complete moron, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this.

My point is that it is up to the issuer of the grant to decide the rules for who gets them. No different than Welfare.

If you are a grant issuer, and it comes to your attention that people are abusing your grants..

Aren't you going to want to make your rules more strict? That's why most grant programs are indeed very strict. I don't understand why the Welfare system isn't the same way.

Christ.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Eli
What the fsck is wrong with you?

A: I'm not a liberal that feels that it's society's responsibilty to feed a welfare queen's kids so she can buy a new car and install 22 inch chrome rims on it.

WTFFFFFFFFFFFF????????????????????

Show me where I said that's the way I feel.

You're using the typical liberal mindset that it's never the person's fault for abusing the system... it's the systems fault for being abusable.

I guess it's also not the triggerman's fault for firing the gun- it's the gun's fault for doing the only thing it's designed to do. And the gun manufacturer for making it.

My beliefs:
1. Personal responsibility.
2. Self-sufficience.
3. no handouts
4. Support yourself or let natural selection do its job.

Ok, Ok.. I'll bite...

I'm using the typical liberal mindset that it's never the person's fault for abusing the system... it's the systems fault for being abusable.

So I ask this.. Where do you draw the line? When DOES it become the system's fault?

Isn't that what rules and regulations are for?!?! I really don't understand. If you don't want people to abuse a system, isn't that WHY you create rules and regulations to go along with it?

So I'm a liberal for believing that the welfare system needs to be overhauled, basically?

So you believe that the welfare system doesen't need to be overhauled, that .. what? People should just "play fair" when the rules have already been laid out?

LOL..... I wish we lived on your planet.

 

[Eli]

This is seriously irking me, because I know I'm not conveying my thoughts correctly.

OK, so.. going with this liberal thinking thing...

So what's the opposite of that? Believing that it's never the systems fault for being abused, it's always the persons?

There has to be a middleroad.

Let's use Hot Deals as an example. So you're saying when people first started to take advantage of Pricematching, to swing things in their favor...

Whos fault was that? Was it the peoples "fault" for taking advantage of the system, or the systems fault for allowing the people to take advantage of it?

What ended up happening? They made their pricematching rules more strict.


........................... I rest my case.

And I'm stepping out for a while, so I'll check back later.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the USDA which runs the food stamp program is currently running radio ads to try and get more people signed up. the radio ad said that only about half of those eligible are getting food stamps.

so basically, your tax dollar is being used to solicit more people to sign up for welfare

Wow just fvcking wow.......

Here it isn't that bad (no radio ads yet). Something similar though:

My wife runs several mobile home parks a couple of which have ~80% mexican residents. Someone called Family and Children's services about the little mexican kids playing in the road. Anyway they came out to check on the situation and the case worker came into the office to discuss it. She asked for a list of the hispanic residents so she could pass out government assistance materials. Why? Because she saw kids running around in diapers. :roll:

Now all of these people that pay cash for their 3 or 4 new cars, pay cash for their homes, completely remodel them, pay rent months in advance, and always have insane amounts of money on them are being solicited to receive food stamps/ welfare because their culture doesn't stress putting two year olds in brand new clothes.

Given the current rules most of them will qualify for help and I have since seen quite a few residents using EBT cards at the grocery store.

Can't really say I blame them for taking the money though..................

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
*stamp* Denied. *stamp*

And um, I've seen welfare recepients driving Beamers and Mercedes. (newer style) a tC is a drop in the bucket.

Yeah seriously. In Brooklyn the drug dealers claim welfare on the side and drive Jaguars and pimped-out Mercedes. Your tax dollars hard at work.

 

[whoisrube]

Maybe The Matrix had it right. Lets make our own. To collect welfare, you must go down to the local DPW and walk on a treadmill long enough to generate 1 kilowatt. You then get credits that you can trade in for: A. Food Stamps & diapers. B. a case of 40's or C. 1 x 20" wheel with spinners.

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: sonz70
My mother was on welfare for a year, with 2 kids, after my father left. She was trying to get a job that entirew year, and ended up getting a low paying job at 7-eleven. This job payed less than her welfare checks that she was getting. Yeah are there people who abuse the system? of course, does that mean that all of them are liars and thiefs? no. Maybe most of you should actually meet and talk to people who are on welfare before passing the judgement you all seem so inclined to do.

I don't think your opposition hurts my case, mr. Male Prostitute, lol

You're an idiot. I'm not on welfare. I never have been.

 

[Tiamat]

That is wrong. About as wrong as convicts demanding more cable TV channels, but not quite

 

[Amused]

People have asked for my opinion. (I know, I know... Why in the fsck would anyone do that???)

Here it is:

Welfare should be abolished. Charity should NEVER be an entitlement and the funds to support charities should never be taken at the point of a gun.

Before the advent of welfare and food stamps in the mid-late 60s, no one was starving in the streets. Private charities more than filled the bill for those down on their luck.

In fact, the "Great Society" plan by LBJ that gave us welfare was NOT billed as relief for the poor. Had it been, it would have never passed as there was plenty of relief for the poor. No, it was billed as an "end to poverty."

It failed, miserably.

 

[markgm]

That wasn't really a yes or no question...

Should I buy a car or a truck? Yes.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused
People have asked for my opinion. (I know, I know... Why in the fsck would anyone do that???)

Here it is:

Welfare should be abolished. Charity should NEVER be an entitlement and the funds to support charities should never be taken at the point of a gun.

Before the advent of welfare and food stamps in the mid-late 60s, no one was starving in the streets. Private charities more than filled the bill for those down on their luck.

In fact, the "Great Society" plan by LBJ that gave us welfare was NOT billed as relief for the poor. Had it been, it would have never passed as there was plenty of relief for the poor. No, it was billed as an "end to poverty."

It failed, miserably.

Now that I can agree with.

Curious, do you think its the system or the peoples fault that it can be taken advantage of?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused
People have asked for my opinion. (I know, I know... Why in the fsck would anyone do that???)

Here it is:

Welfare should be abolished. Charity should NEVER be an entitlement and the funds to support charities should never be taken at the point of a gun.

Before the advent of welfare and food stamps in the mid-late 60s, no one was starving in the streets. Private charities more than filled the bill for those down on their luck.

In fact, the "Great Society" plan by LBJ that gave us welfare was NOT billed as relief for the poor. Had it been, it would have never passed as there was plenty of relief for the poor. No, it was billed as an "end to poverty."

It failed, miserably.

Now that I can agree with.

Curious, do you think its the system or the peoples fault that it can be taken advantage of?

The system. Any socialist system is doomed to failure because of human nature.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused
People have asked for my opinion. (I know, I know... Why in the fsck would anyone do that???)

Here it is:

Welfare should be abolished. Charity should NEVER be an entitlement and the funds to support charities should never be taken at the point of a gun.

Before the advent of welfare and food stamps in the mid-late 60s, no one was starving in the streets. Private charities more than filled the bill for those down on their luck.

In fact, the "Great Society" plan by LBJ that gave us welfare was NOT billed as relief for the poor. Had it been, it would have never passed as there was plenty of relief for the poor. No, it was billed as an "end to poverty."

It failed, miserably.

Now that I can agree with.

Curious, do you think its the system or the peoples fault that it can be taken advantage of?

The system. Any socialist system is doomed to failure because of human nature.

THANK YOU.

lol

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the USDA which runs the food stamp program is currently running radio ads to try and get more people signed up. the radio ad said that only about half of those eligible are getting food stamps.

so basically, your tax dollar is being used to solicit more people to sign up for welfare

Wow just fvcking wow.......

Here it isn't that bad (no radio ads yet). Something similar though:

My wife runs several mobile home parks a couple of which have ~80% mexican residents. Someone called Family and Children's services about the little mexican kids playing in the road. Anyway they came out to check on the situation and the case worker came into the office to discuss it. She asked for a list of the hispanic residents so she could pass out government assistance materials. Why? Because she saw kids running around in diapers. :roll:

Now all of these people that pay cash for their 3 or 4 new cars, pay cash for their homes, completely remodel them, pay rent months in advance, and always have insane amounts of money on them are being solicited to receive food stamps/ welfare because their culture doesn't stress putting two year olds in brand new clothes.

Given the current rules most of them will qualify for help and I have since seen quite a few residents using EBT cards at the grocery store.

Can't really say I blame them for taking the money though..................

50% of the problem is that the social workers stupid enough to work in the field are utterly clueless. They end up screwing people who are legitimately trying to go about their lives and bailing out those who deserve to rot in a gutter.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused
People have asked for my opinion. (I know, I know... Why in the fsck would anyone do that???)

Here it is:

Welfare should be abolished. Charity should NEVER be an entitlement and the funds to support charities should never be taken at the point of a gun.

Before the advent of welfare and food stamps in the mid-late 60s, no one was starving in the streets. Private charities more than filled the bill for those down on their luck.

In fact, the "Great Society" plan by LBJ that gave us welfare was NOT billed as relief for the poor. Had it been, it would have never passed as there was plenty of relief for the poor. No, it was billed as an "end to poverty."

It failed, miserably.

Now that I can agree with.

Curious, do you think its the system or the peoples fault that it can be taken advantage of?

The system. Any socialist system is doomed to failure because of human nature.

THANK YOU.

lol

Now wait a minute. Just because the system is the root of the problem, that does not absolve the cheaters from their unethical actions. It merely facilitated their immorality. It did not create it.

 

[Baked]

Credit cards and "No credit, no problem" car dealers. Just file for chapter 11 like all the other american bums.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused
People have asked for my opinion. (I know, I know... Why in the fsck would anyone do that???)

Here it is:

Welfare should be abolished. Charity should NEVER be an entitlement and the funds to support charities should never be taken at the point of a gun.

Before the advent of welfare and food stamps in the mid-late 60s, no one was starving in the streets. Private charities more than filled the bill for those down on their luck.

In fact, the "Great Society" plan by LBJ that gave us welfare was NOT billed as relief for the poor. Had it been, it would have never passed as there was plenty of relief for the poor. No, it was billed as an "end to poverty."

It failed, miserably.

Now that I can agree with.

Curious, do you think its the system or the peoples fault that it can be taken advantage of?

The system. Any socialist system is doomed to failure because of human nature.

THANK YOU.

lol

Now wait a minute. Just because the system is the root of the problem, that does not absolve the cheaters from their unethical actions. It merely facilitated their immorality. It did not create it.

Yes, I completely agree.

I think some confusion has arrisen because everyone is using a different definition for "cheater".

If they are truely bucking the system and recieving benefits when they absolutely do not qualify, that is cheating.

However, if the rules clearly state that they are elligable, regardless of what you or I think, they are technically NOT "cheating". Would you agree with that?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused
People have asked for my opinion. (I know, I know... Why in the fsck would anyone do that???)

Here it is:

Welfare should be abolished. Charity should NEVER be an entitlement and the funds to support charities should never be taken at the point of a gun.

Before the advent of welfare and food stamps in the mid-late 60s, no one was starving in the streets. Private charities more than filled the bill for those down on their luck.

In fact, the "Great Society" plan by LBJ that gave us welfare was NOT billed as relief for the poor. Had it been, it would have never passed as there was plenty of relief for the poor. No, it was billed as an "end to poverty."

It failed, miserably.

Now that I can agree with.

Curious, do you think its the system or the peoples fault that it can be taken advantage of?

The system. Any socialist system is doomed to failure because of human nature.

THANK YOU.

lol

Now wait a minute. Just because the system is the root of the problem, that does not absolve the cheaters from their unethical actions. It merely facilitated their immorality. It did not create it.

Yes, I completely agree.

I think some confusion has arrised because everyone is using a different definition for "cheater".

If they are truely bucking the system and recieving benefits when they absolutely do not qualify, that is cheating.

However, if the rules clearly state that they are elligable, regardless of what you or I think, they are technically NOT "cheating". Would you agree with that?

OK, I'll rephrase that with "freeloaders."

Either way, it's unethical, and something that happens FAR less when charity is private and not an entitlement.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

OK, I'll rephrase that with "freeloaders."

Either way, it's unethical, and something that happens FAR less when charity is private and not an entitlement.

I'm not so sure about the unethical part. Why is it unethical to follow the rules? Simply because they do or do not have material posessions that you deem "expensive"?

Anyway, so you would agree that, IF Welfare is going to be kept around, it needs some serious rules and regulation reform.. to crack down on abuse, right?

 

[tyler811]

My ex-sister inlaw divorced my brother(2 Kids) had another 2 kids by 2 different guys. The whole time the kids are growing she is getting welfare, food stamps, rent assistant, heat assistance and the state is paying her to go to school. Not any community college either, but Michigan State University. Paid for her whole stinking education and she did not have to pay back a dime. Now she works for the state of Michigan as a civil engineer making well over $70,000 a year. :|:roll::thumbsdown::disgust:

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: tyler811
My ex-sister inlaw divorced my brother(2 Kids) had another 2 kids by 2 different guys. The whole time the kids are growing she is getting welfare, food stamps, rent assistant, heat assistance and the state is paying her to go to school. Not any community collegde either, but Michigan State University. Paid for her whole stinking education and she did not have to pay back a dime. Now she works for the state of Michigan as a civil engineer making well over $70,000 a year. :|:roll::thumbsdown::disgust:

Why in the flyng flip does that disgust you?

If anything, you should be PROUD of her for using the resources available to propel herself upwards in society instead of abusing it and becomming a welfare queen.

Hello?!?! What is wrong with you people? That's the theoretical purpose of these programs!

That's a success story! Christ.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

OK, I'll rephrase that with "freeloaders."

Either way, it's unethical, and something that happens FAR less when charity is private and not an entitlement.

I'm not so sure about the unethical part. Why is it unethical to follow the rules? Simply because they do or do not have material posessions that you deem "expensive"?

Anyway, so you would agree that, IF Welfare is going to be kept around, it needs some serious rules and regulation reform.. to crack down on abuse, right?

As long as charity is an entitlement, it will encourage freeloaders and a general sense of entitlement among the people.

It is always unethical to freeload when capable of working and supporting oneself. Especially when the money you receive is taken from others by force. Their freeloading is unethical because it violates the rights of taxpayers.