YART: welfare recipiant has a Scion TC???

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
*stamp* Denied. *stamp*

And um, I've seen welfare recepients driving Beamers and Mercedes. (newer style) a tC is a drop in the bucket.

Yeah. A Scion is actually a reasonable vehicle for a welfare recipient

Around here I've seen far nicer vehicles...

And yet college graduates are in used cars for a decade after they graduate.... fair to me. :roll:

No welfare receipient needs a new car. Ever.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

OK, I'll rephrase that with "freeloaders."

Either way, it's unethical, and something that happens FAR less when charity is private and not an entitlement.

I'm not so sure about the unethical part. Why is it unethical to follow the rules? Simply because they do or do not have material posessions that you deem "expensive"?

Anyway, so you would agree that, IF Welfare is going to be kept around, it needs some serious rules and regulation reform.. to crack down on abuse, right?

As long as charity is an entitlement, it will encourage freeloaders and a general sense of entitlement among the people.

It is always unethical to freeload when capable of working and supporting oneself. Especially when the money you receive is taken from others by force. Their freeloading is unethical because it violates the rights of taxpayers.

Hmmm...

So, again, are wealthy businesses and individuals that are "capable of working and supporting oneself" being unethical by applying for and recieving grants, when it is the granter that sets up the rules for who is elligable?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

OK, I'll rephrase that with "freeloaders."

Either way, it's unethical, and something that happens FAR less when charity is private and not an entitlement.

I'm not so sure about the unethical part. Why is it unethical to follow the rules? Simply because they do or do not have material posessions that you deem "expensive"?

Anyway, so you would agree that, IF Welfare is going to be kept around, it needs some serious rules and regulation reform.. to crack down on abuse, right?

As long as charity is an entitlement, it will encourage freeloaders and a general sense of entitlement among the people.

It is always unethical to freeload when capable of working and supporting oneself. Especially when the money you receive is taken from others by force. Their freeloading is unethical because it violates the rights of taxpayers.

Hmmm...

So, again, are wealthy businesses and individuals that are "capable of working and supporting oneself" being unethical by applying for and recieving grants, when it is the granter that sets up the rules?

You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a libertarian, remember?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a libertarian, remember?

I don't really even know what that is supposed to mean.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a libertarian, remember?

I don't really even know what that is supposed to mean.

I don't think the government has any business handing out money to anyone, be it charity or grants.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm a libertarian, remember?

I don't really even know what that is supposed to mean.

I don't think the government has any business handing out money to anyone, be it charity or grants.

I see!

Well, here's a :beer: for consistancy then.

In all fairness, the government grant system DOES show that it can work. But the rules have to be tight. The government gives out I don't even know how many billions of dollars in grants.. By putting money into peoples hands, they can become productive members of society.

Hmm heh.. so you don't believe in school grant programs, or programs that would be designed to help improve low-worth parts of town, etc?.....

Government and private grants are open to little/no abuse because of how strict the screening is. You don't think that at least a small portion of the money should go towards helping to better society as a whole?

I dunno. I think everyone in this thread needs to stop and look at it from their own point of view. If you were trying to start a business or go to school, you would use any legal means available to you. If you found out that you were elligable for a grant or other assistance you would be ecstatic.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: tyler811
My ex-sister inlaw divorced my brother(2 Kids) had another 2 kids by 2 different guys. The whole time the kids are growing she is getting welfare, food stamps, rent assistant, heat assistance and the state is paying her to go to school. Not any community collegde either, but Michigan State University. Paid for her whole stinking education and she did not have to pay back a dime. Now she works for the state of Michigan as a civil engineer making well over $70,000 a year. :|:roll::thumbsdown::disgust:

Why in the flyng flip does that disgust you?

If anything, you should be PROUD of her for using the resources available to propel herself upwards in society instead of abusing it and becomming a welfare queen.

Hello?!?! What is wrong with you people? That's the theoretical purpose of these programs!
That's a success story! Christ.

Hmmm she went and had 2 more kids with 2 different men yaaay.( welfare reasons more money) The oldest moved out at 18 to get away from from the house. Her current husband sexually molested my niece. I had to take time off from work to drive my niece down to Florida be live with her dad. ( Medicals reasons he could not come up) Actually the police locked the guy up and told my ex sis in law that the guy cannot come back into the house ever as long as my niece lived there. So that day my ex sis in law kicks my niece out the house so her pedophile hubby can get out of jail on bond and get back into the house.

 

[tami]

can they deny her welfare?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: tyler811
My ex-sister inlaw divorced my brother(2 Kids) had another 2 kids by 2 different guys. The whole time the kids are growing she is getting welfare, food stamps, rent assistant, heat assistance and the state is paying her to go to school. Not any community collegde either, but Michigan State University. Paid for her whole stinking education and she did not have to pay back a dime. Now she works for the state of Michigan as a civil engineer making well over $70,000 a year. :|:roll::thumbsdown::disgust:

Why in the flyng flip does that disgust you?

If anything, you should be PROUD of her for using the resources available to propel herself upwards in society instead of abusing it and becomming a welfare queen.

Hello?!?! What is wrong with you people? That's the theoretical purpose of these programs!
That's a success story! Christ.

Hmmm she went and had 2 more kids with 2 different men yaaay.( welfare reasons more money) The oldest moved out at 18 to get away from from the house. Her current husband sexually molested my niece. I had to take time off from work to drive my niece down to Florida be live with her dad. ( Medicals reasons he could not come up) Actually the police locked the guy up and told my ex sis in law that the guy cannot come back into the house ever as long as my niece lived there. So that day my ex sis in law kicks my niece out the house so her pedophile hubby can get out of jail on bond and get back into the house.

It is understandable that the people themselves may be trash, but my point still stands.

If she was able to use Welfare to support her kids until they were grown so she could then put herself through school and begin earning 70k a year, at the very least, whether you agree with the premise of Welfare or not... in that case at least, it served its intended purpose.

It would be interesting to do the math and see if they will or have paid more in taxes with the 70k income than they used during the years of support.

 

[Vic]

Welfare and drug prohibition go hand-in-hand. It's really no shocker that the "War on Drugs" didn't begin in earnest until just after the "Great Society" program was implemented. That's because the purpose of the welfare system is not to actually help poor people, but to keep them off the unemployment statistics and with a standard of living just high enough to survive but definitely low enough to push them into crime. It is to enslave poor people permanently into the system with no hope of ever getting out -- that is the entire purpose of welfare, and its corrollary, the drug prohibition. And who wins? Bureaucrats, social workers, the police, prison guards, corrections officials, prison developers, politicians, and lawyers. For the poor, it's prevent work and promote crime. For the cops and government employees and contractos, it's a make work program. Most importantly, welfare is a bribe to the poor to benefit the rich paid for by the middle class.

Welfare is not charity. Charity is a voluntary gift of love. Welfare is enslavement. You people need to open your eyes you can't see the difference.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Vic
Welfare and drug prohibition go hand-in-hand. It's really no shocker that the "War on Drugs" didn't begin in earnest until just after the "Great Society" program was implemented. That's because the purpose of the welfare system is not to actually help poor people, but to keep them off the unemployment statistics and with a standard of living just high enough to survive but definitely low enough to push them into crime. It is to enslave poor people permanently into the system with no hope of ever getting out -- that is the entire purpose of welfare, and its corrollary, the drug prohibition. And who wins? Bureaucrats, social workers, the police, prison guards, corrections officials, prison developers, politicians, and lawyers. For the poor, it's prevent work and promote crime. For the cops and government employees and contractos, it's a make work program. Most importantly, welfare is a bribe to the poor to benefit the rich paid for by the middle class.

Welfare is not charity. Charity is a voluntary gift of love. Welfare is enslavement. You people need to open your eyes you can't see the difference.

I'm gettin' ya.

I'm curious, though. What is the difference between Welfare and a grant? The only difference I can see are the rules for who qualifies.. For some reason Welfare is extremely relaxed.

As I'm sure you know, I'm completely against drug prohibition, so I completely understand what you're saying. However, I guess I'm compassionate or something, because at the same time I support the idea behind the programs.

If the idea isn't becomming a reality, there's abuse, etc.. it needs to be addressed.

Vic touches on a whole 'nother issue, though. Is the purpose of Welfare really to "keep them off unemployment statistics"? That seems a bit conspiracy-like to me. You don't believe the people who thought up and run the programs have good intentions?

Hmm.. I suppose it is entirely possible they don't. You know, I think I'm too positive. I seem to automatically think everybody is kind-hearted like me. Is that really a bad thing?

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Vic
Welfare and drug prohibition go hand-in-hand. It's really no shocker that the "War on Drugs" didn't begin in earnest until just after the "Great Society" program was implemented. That's because the purpose of the welfare system is not to actually help poor people, but to keep them off the unemployment statistics and with a standard of living just high enough to survive but definitely low enough to push them into crime. It is to enslave poor people permanently into the system with no hope of ever getting out -- that is the entire purpose of welfare, and its corrollary, the drug prohibition. And who wins? Bureaucrats, social workers, the police, prison guards, corrections officials, prison developers, politicians, and lawyers. For the poor, it's prevent work and promote crime. For the cops and government employees and contractos, it's a make work program. Most importantly, welfare is a bribe to the poor to benefit the rich paid for by the middle class.

Welfare is not charity. Charity is a voluntary gift of love. Welfare is enslavement. You people need to open your eyes you can't see the difference.

I'm gettin' ya.

I'm curious, though. What is the difference between Welfare and a grant? The only difference I can see are the rules for who qualifies.. For some reason Welfare is extremely relaxed.

As I'm sure you know, I'm completely against drug prohibition, so I completely understand what you're saying. However, I guess I'm compassionate or something, because at the same time I support the idea behind the programs.

If the idea isn't becomming a reality, there's abuse, etc.. it needs to be addressed.

Vic touches on a whole 'nother issue, though. Is the purpose of Welfare really to "keep them off unemployment statistics"? That seems a bit conspiracy-like to me. You don't believe the people who thought up and run the programs have good intentions?

Hmm.. I suppose it is entirely possible they don't. You know, I think I'm too positive. I seem to automatically think everybody is kind-hearted like me. Is that really a bad thing?

Good intentions? That's funny.

It's probably not a bad thing, it's just really naïve to assume that.

 

[Ornery]

• Gee, and who is it always fighting welfare reforms? :roll:

Better than half of you screwoffs have NOTHING to complain about here, since you elected the mofos who keep the system as it is.

 

[grjr]

I get money from the government, ~6k a year I think. I drive a bucket from the early 80's and don't have much worth of value. Sucks that people take when they don't really need it.

 

[jadinolf]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
yes, the poor people in america are fat and drive cars and have HDTV , this is true

And cell phones.

 

[alocurto]

Isn't a car a liability?

 

[bNeta86]

Fix welfare - easy...you want the free ride...you have to be sterilized. NO MORE REPRODUCTION FOR YOU!

Its a simple solution really...ohh its your god given right to have children...ok fine, good luck with that - but you dont get the free ride.

That would really help solve the problem. ;-)

 

[robphelan]

"I didn't earn it, I don't need it. But if they're 1 day late..." Grandpa Simpson

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: tyler811
My ex-sister inlaw divorced my brother(2 Kids) had another 2 kids by 2 different guys. The whole time the kids are growing she is getting welfare, food stamps, rent assistant, heat assistance and the state is paying her to go to school. Not any community collegde either, but Michigan State University. Paid for her whole stinking education and she did not have to pay back a dime. Now she works for the state of Michigan as a civil engineer making well over $70,000 a year. :|:roll::thumbsdown::disgust:

Why in the flyng flip does that disgust you?

If anything, you should be PROUD of her for using the resources available to propel herself upwards in society instead of abusing it and becomming a welfare queen.

Hello?!?! What is wrong with you people? That's the theoretical purpose of these programs!
That's a success story! Christ.

Hmmm she went and had 2 more kids with 2 different men yaaay.( welfare reasons more money) The oldest moved out at 18 to get away from from the house. Her current husband sexually molested my niece. I had to take time off from work to drive my niece down to Florida be live with her dad. ( Medicals reasons he could not come up) Actually the police locked the guy up and told my ex sis in law that the guy cannot come back into the house ever as long as my niece lived there. So that day my ex sis in law kicks my niece out the house so her pedophile hubby can get out of jail on bond and get back into the house.

It is understandable that the people themselves may be trash, but my point still stands.

If she was able to use Welfare to support her kids until they were grown so she could then put herself through school and begin earning 70k a year, at the very least, whether you agree with the premise of Welfare or not... in that case at least, it served its intended purpose.

It would be interesting to do the math and see if they will or have paid more in taxes with the 70k income than they used during the years of support.

I do believe in helping people thru unemployment welfare (Restrictions) and such. But she knew exactly what she was doing by having two more kids. More money. I have seen it hundreds of times in the cities I used to work in. Women have 4-6 kids and collect everything the goverment has to give and they also work. The thing is though they call in sick once a month or so, as not to make over the limit of the welfare or thier welfare checks would be cut in half that month. I busted my a$$ working overtime to provide for myself and these whores are making four times the amount I am.

But again I do agree with one the need to have such programs, I have just seen to much abuse thru the years.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: m2kewl
my friend is a lowly paid (his fault for majoring in Liberal Arts in college ) social worker who screens applicants for welfare (Public Assistance for you PC whores).

so anyway, he's got this applicant. woman in her late 30's attempting to renew for the FOURTH year, with HS GED aka 'Good enough diploma', no listed job history, four kids, teens. can't even hold one single job. she claims she and her husband are sick, provides medical excuses.

yet listed part of their assets is a new Scion TC?!?!?!? WTH WTF??? can our welfare system go any more wrong??? :|

Bothersome, but not all that bad since the TC is an economy car.

Come back when you have seen the ones in luxury cars.

Exactly. A tC costs $16k so it's hardly extravagant.

Two of my tenants receive welfare.

One drives a Cadillac with a $5k+ paintjob and however-expensive 20", chrome, spinning wheels and a GMC Sierra. The other just bought a new Acura MDX to complement their late model Isuzu Trooper.

Okay welfare just has to stop period. If they can't eat or they drop dead because of it, it's not my fault.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
*stamp* Denied. *stamp*

And um, I've seen welfare recepients driving Beamers and Mercedes. (newer style) a tC is a drop in the bucket.

Yeah. A Scion is actually a reasonable vehicle for a welfare recipient

Around here I've seen far nicer vehicles...

Bullsh1t! If you are on welfare you shouldn't be driving any NEW car.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Antisocial Virge
I saw a women with over $230 in groceries that never even touched the top rail of her shopping card ( therefore expensive stuff ) She had crab legs and a bunch of other seafood and such. She then paid with food stamps and loaded them all into her 2004 Toyota.

I think we need to look at it a different way.

Perhaps the people running the programs know a little more than we do?

Yes, it is easy to get food stamps. You can get food stamps even if you work a full time job in some cases.

Obviously the money is there. If there were a lack of funds, perhaps they would be more discriminant.

It *DOES* help these peoples lives, even if you don't agree with their lifestyles. Who cars if they have a nice car? You don't know how they got it. They very well could have saved very hard earned money to get what they own.

If recieving money from the government because the government said "You qualify!" allowed them to buy better things... what is so bad about that? Is that wrong? Can you honestly say that you wouldn't do it too?

Now, cheating is another story. IE: lying. I wouldn't agree with that. But these people weren't cheating.. they listed their asset.

That very hard earned money shouldn't be for luxury automobiles but to put food on the table so we don't have to pay for it.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Yeah...they need to cut those freeloaders off. Welfare should only last 6 months.

 

[magomago]

My friend's dad has all his kids go to college for free and it gets paid by the state....and he is the freaking millionaire (literally).

Not just poor people milk the system, rich people also do that

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the USDA which runs the food stamp program is currently running radio ads to try and get more people signed up. the radio ad said that only about half of those eligible are getting food stamps.

so basically, your tax dollar is being used to solicit more people to sign up for welfare

Disgusting. All this while they neglect education, and refuse to raise the cap on Stafford loans. Those caps were set years ago and the cost of education has been steadily rising. You can't go to school anymore without hitting up private lenders.