Leave it to ATOTer's to turn something completely not sexual, into something sexual. ANYWAYS, Dezign, you made a fatal error by not saying anything when they gave you a check for 600 bones. You should have said, "I thought we agreed on 650 from the start and WE agreed, don't you remember?". -Shove their own words into their face. Regarding the food, I suggest just buying less food, or eating out more. If it become a serious problem. Then speak up. You dont' want small issues to snowball into something catastrophic. Also, keep everything non-chalant and non-threatening.
Agreed 110%, along with what bleeb said above.
What would be the best way of approaching this in order to come across as cool and non-threatening? I don't want to seem accusatory, and I'd like to keep everything as calm as possible.
AgaBoogaBoo
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I don't think if this was said before, but you don't have to give them their utilities. I mean, you all signed a paper about the rent, nothing about the utilities. So, since nothing about the utilities was in writing, maybe that is what is needed now.
Edit: Also, whenever you make deals like this, make sure you get it all in writing and keep a copy in more than one place including outside of your apartment.
Edit 2: Getting another person to watch during the signing can help too
Edit: Also, whenever you make deals like this, make sure you get it all in writing and keep a copy in more than one place including outside of your apartment.
Edit 2: Getting another person to watch during the signing can help too
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
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Well, I think it's time to re-evalute the deal, regardless of the original deal.
Just start splitting everything 1/3 each.
Including rent and all utilities. No questions asked. If they don't agree to this, tell them they can either pay you the extra $50 that was agreed upon or they are no longer entitled to YOUR utilities. If they somehow forget that is was 50, not 30, then that's too bad for them. I'd be willing to bet they both have cleared checks for $650, not $630, and your bank account has a deposit of $1300.
As for the food thing, just get the guts and tell them to stop eating your stuff. You know, a glass of milk, a soda or something, I could understand, but a 5 dollar pizza? That's just rude. If something doesn't change here, you have two options: One, don't buy any other food and eat all of their's, or add some "special ingredients" to some food and leave it for them to eat. Then afterwords let them know you did it and they probably won't touch anything again.
Just start splitting everything 1/3 each.
Including rent and all utilities. No questions asked. If they don't agree to this, tell them they can either pay you the extra $50 that was agreed upon or they are no longer entitled to YOUR utilities. If they somehow forget that is was 50, not 30, then that's too bad for them. I'd be willing to bet they both have cleared checks for $650, not $630, and your bank account has a deposit of $1300.
As for the food thing, just get the guts and tell them to stop eating your stuff. You know, a glass of milk, a soda or something, I could understand, but a 5 dollar pizza? That's just rude. If something doesn't change here, you have two options: One, don't buy any other food and eat all of their's, or add some "special ingredients" to some food and leave it for them to eat. Then afterwords let them know you did it and they probably won't touch anything again.
I know.
I want to do that, actually. The fridge they're both using right now is MINE (I bought it from my previous roommate for $175, they didn't offer to help chip in for it), and there's barely enough room for my food. They also use all my appliances (microwave, toaster, toaster oven, electric can opener, etc.), which I bought. grrr.*still trying to think of ways to approach the situation nicely*
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
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Originally posted by: ness1469
Well, I think it's time to re-evalute the deal, regardless of the original deal.
Just start splitting everything 1/3 each.
Including rent and all utilities. No questions asked. If they don't agree to this, tell them they can either pay you the extra $50 that was agreed upon or they are no longer entitled to YOUR utilities. If they somehow forget that is was 50, not 30, then that's too bad for them. I'd be willing to bet they both have cleared checks for $650, not $630, and your bank account has a deposit of $1300.
As for the food thing, just get the guts and tell them to stop eating your stuff. You know, a glass of milk, a soda or something, I could understand, but a 5 dollar pizza? That's just rude. If something doesn't change here, you have two options: One, don't buy any other food and eat all of their's, or add some "special ingredients" to some food and leave it for them to eat. Then afterwords let them know you did it and they probably won't touch anything again.
:evil:
So she should fork out a hundred bucks to get a mini-fridge in her room then not be able to use the fridge she's already paying to use? That's not such a good idea. It's a matter of principle. If she lets them steal her food... will they start stealing other things that seem to have little value? What happens when she needs to print out something on her computer and finds that all her paper is gone? What happens when she goes to take a shower and her soap is missing? We don't want a stinky dezign.
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Dezign
I know.
*still trying to think of ways to approach the situation nicely*
Ouch. Then, I would say that just live it through this time unless you find another solution, and then next time make sure you have them pay like $10 or $20 extra a month for use of your appliances.
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
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impossible with females!! well, most anyway
maybe they feel like you were trying to extort them by placing the ad for 630, and then telling them its 650 if they want it. that would make me a little weary if i didnt even know the person, and they were jacking it up when i said i wanted it.
seems like a complete reworking of the situation is in order, with all expenses and expectation laid out up front. if you have the biggest room, then pay the slight difference in rent, and then post all bills on the fridge for all to see and break it down who owes what.
good luck
:beer:
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
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Oh yeah, whatever the solution this time, don't make the price fixed incase for some reason costs go up, you aren't the only one affected.
on a side note, it takes FOREVER to get people out of renting. i do a lot of the managerial paperwork in the apts i live in... it took us 4 months to get one guy out, and he didnt pay anything AT ALL for 4 months, I end up writing all the legal papers to get him out -_- In L.A., not sure about other cities, pretty much someone can stay in a place for at least 3 months without paying anything until you can finally get the court to kick them out.... so if you end up wanting to kick them out, goto court ASAP and get a judgement, the sooner the better..
same here in florida. 90 days until they can legally be removed from the premises. my wife and i rented a place that needed some repairs (blinds fixed, front door had no lock, AC leaking in the bedroom closet) that they agreed to fix and didnt, and we refused to pay for 3 months before we left. went on vacation with some of the money
:beer:
Big mistake here. By not saying anything at the time, you are saying it's ok for them to abuse you and take advantage. Dezign you are gonna have to grow some balls!! When you have new roommates you have to train them like puppies until they know what's acceptable and what isn't.
There is no reason to give someone a "utilities included" rate unless you own the whole building or something and have no way to easily figure out who owes what. When I had roommates I always made each of them put at least one of the utilities in their name in order to share the responsibility.
I wish you luck, this will have to be handled very delicately and diplomatically since it is "after the fact."
edit--I also wonder why it has taken so long to get to this point. Usually rent is paid on the 1st, has this really festered since then?
Geekbabe
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Well,whenever there's an extra,surprise bill at my house I end up pretty much just paying it to avoid dispute,I hate moving,good luck to you.
ed21x
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Ivy,
You wouldn't BELIEVE how similar your current situation is with me. The easiest way to approach this is simply to move out. Staying there can only make things worse.
Here in Berkeley, three guys moved in together, and two are moving out after me and my room mate started having problems with the third guy. Most apartment managers don't mind a tenant breaking the lease as long as he/she can find a replacement. In less than two days, around 25 people answered my ad on craigslist, and that was the end of that problem. I'll be moving into my own studio by the end of this month, and have made the final decision that people who live solely by their own rules should all die.
call me if you need someone to share in your pain,
best of luck,
Ed <~ still angry
You wouldn't BELIEVE how similar your current situation is with me. The easiest way to approach this is simply to move out. Staying there can only make things worse.
Here in Berkeley, three guys moved in together, and two are moving out after me and my room mate started having problems with the third guy. Most apartment managers don't mind a tenant breaking the lease as long as he/she can find a replacement. In less than two days, around 25 people answered my ad on craigslist, and that was the end of that problem. I'll be moving into my own studio by the end of this month, and have made the final decision that people who live solely by their own rules should all die.
call me if you need someone to share in your pain,
best of luck,
Ed <~ still angry
Yowza. That really sucks, Ed... I'm sorry... and BELIEVE ME, I empathize!
:| I REALLY don't want to move out, because I love this apartment... ideal space, ideal location (about 10 minute commute from work), ideal price (other than this utilities headache). I've been here for over a year now, and there's no way I'll be bullied out by two newbies. I'll stand my ground tonight and hope for the best... I may call you crying later though... But hopefully not. Grr.
alkemyst
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Apparently the ad said $630...and she asked for $20 to secure their spots.
The problem is she was not subletting....and everyone signed the original lease for $1800. What more than likely happened was they were both pissed they were sort of duped, you used them in order to get the apartment at all and at the same time took the best room. She is not giving anyone a deal, as a matter a fact with a 1/3 split they are sort of getting screwed with her having the best room. Also with them on the original lease you are not in a position to evict or make demands...the agreement is between them and the landlord.
The smart thing to do would have been to get the original lease in your name only....and providing the apartment allows it, then make a new lease for the two roommates at $650 per month having them move in with you after you were already moved in. I can guarantee they both feel tricked and cheated, esp. in light of that addition $20/month deal.
The utilities aspect of sharing an apartment is always difficult because even in marriages many times only one person's name is on an account. A good way to divide the bils is every takes a bill and gets it in their name (works good for one roommate though, three may be difficult if electric is high). Still you are at the whim of a roommate to cancel a service or get it cancelled from non-payment.
All in all I would not kill power (doubtful that each room is wired individually anyway)...that can get you in a legal mess since they are on the lease.
Small Claims or an attorney (probably cost more than the savings though) may be able to get you the 1/3 the utilities deal....maybe even the extra $30 in the ad...but it's hit or miss and sets you up on a year of hatred and also against 2 who will more than likely do everything to force you out over it.
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