YAMT: Dueling Demonstrations in Front of Mosque

[chuckywang]

No comment by the mosque supporters on this?

1) It's not a mosque.
2) It's not at Ground Zero.

 

[coreyb]

Ok where should that limit be decided? Should we start banning certain religions? I mean we allow more religions than anywhere else in the world then obviously we are entitled to ban a few we dont like. How about race?

Its very thin ice we are walking on when you talk about things like that.

there's a big difference between banning religions/race and not allowing a mosque/religious center to be built next to ground zero.

 

[JSt0rm]

there's a big difference between banning religions/race and not allowing a mosque/religious center to be built next to ground zero.

its a couple blocks away.

 

[sandorski]

So again that's your position despite no evidence to support it? Why don't you take moderate Muslims opinions at face value?

I "oppose" all mosques because Islam is a stupid superstition. But i think they have a right to be there. I think the ground zero mosque is also a tacky gesture. I am not sure what other mosques you are talking about. Sounds like you are trying to lump ground zero mosque opponents together.

Fine, just stop sugar coating it. You're a Bigot, embrace the Stupidity.

 

[sandorski]

Its a good thing Rosa Parks capitulated because she didnt want to offend anyone....oh wait...


I say we start a drinking game. Anytime someone brings in a strawman or cites the fact that there arent any mosques in mecca we all drink!!

I won't subject my liver to such torture.

 

[ayabe]

1) It's not a mosque.
2) It's not at Ground Zero.

We can thank the media for that bit of misinformation, it's already out there and it's too late to change it.

I'd like to see these people get half as angry that there is still nothing but a fucking hole in the ground where the towers were. That's more of an affront to American ideals and liberty than some fucking rec center two blocks away where the Burlington Coat Factory used to be.

 

[Rainsford]

We can thank the media for that bit of misinformation, it's already out there and it's too late to change it.
...

It wouldn't be too late if this debate was smarter. The information about what the building really is is also out there, it's just convenient to ignore it for the sake of getting "offended". Pretending a community center with a prayer room, a couple of blocks away from (and out of sight of) where the WTC stood is the same thing as a mega mosque built on ground zero by Osama bin Laden is what makes this debate an actual issue. Robbed of the comparison by always annoying facts, people would be forced to find something else to get outraged about.

In other words, you have to really WANT it to be going all Palin over this issue.

 

[Red Dawn]

Uhhh, how about you look at the Wikipedia article that has a whole section of Muslim opposition? Stupid people making strawmans and screaming bigot: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30336807&postcount=1010. I'm not doing any more work for you. Just go on believing whatever the hell you want. You sound like too big a man to change your mind about something.

I changed my mind. When I first heard of this Mosque I was under the impression that it was being built in the footprint of the WTC, not blocks away. When I realized that it wasn't and all this hub bub was about ideologues like Gingrich and Palin trying to whip their base into a frenzy over basically nothing I realized how ridiculous opposing this Mosque was. Though I don't oppose it I think it would be a good idea to move it elsewhere as not to give Wingnuts something to use as a wedge issue. The last thing rationale people should want to do is give the irrational a reason to mobilize, they tend to do regrettable things when they do.

 

[dahunan]

It is depressing to see Amerikkka is still alive and well..

 

[ElFenix]

its a couple blocks away.

well it was hit with a wheel from the airplane

all the leaders of the usa have been christians and the USA has been

A) Great Humanitarian and Peacekeeper in the region
B) Deposing Democratically elected leader in Iran so the brits could securely ripoff the people of Iran and bombing the hell out of Iraq and giving weapons to both side during a war...

ftfy




question: if everyone hadn't been standing around with their dicks in their mouths for the last 9 years and actually had a building up at the WTC site already, would anyone give a rat's ass?

 

[ayabe]

It wouldn't be too late if this debate was smarter. The information about what the building really is is also out there, it's just convenient to ignore it for the sake of getting "offended". Pretending a community center with a prayer room, a couple of blocks away from (and out of sight of) where the WTC stood is the same thing as a mega mosque built on ground zero by Osama bin Laden is what makes this debate an actual issue. Robbed of the comparison by always annoying facts, people would be forced to find something else to get outraged about.

In other words, you have to really WANT it to be going all Palin over this issue.

There have been very few journalists who've used the correct terminology consistently, that is disappointing. The word coming out of everyone's mouth is mosque and in this case that word is very powerful, especially to the low-information crowd.

Great issue to get the hooples whipped up about though can't wait till we see the 2010 version of the Wolves ad
W '2004

"XXX says they support the building of the mosque, how can he disrespect the dead and invite our enemies to dance on the graves of firefighters?"

-I'm John R Republican from a flyover state and I approve this message

 

[Rainsford]

There have been very few journalists who've used the correct terminology consistently, that is disappointing. The word coming out of everyone's mouth is mosque and in this case that word is very powerful, especially to the low-information crowd.

Great issue to get the hooples whipped up about though can't wait till we see the 2010 version of the Wolves ad
W '2004

"XXX says they support the building of the mosque, how can he disrespect the dead and invite our enemies to dance on the graves of firefighters?"

-I'm John R Republican from a flyover state and I approve this message

I don't know, I'm not convinced this is actually a good issue for the Republicans to be flogging as intensely as they are obviously planning on. While a disturbingly large majority of people disagree with the Park51 project, the polls don't say how MUCH they care about the issue, and whether that issue trumps a lot other issues important to them.

I have no doubt that this issue will be like red meat to some folks, but I think those people were already going to vote Republican anyways. On the other hand, Republicans risk alienating people who don't think it's a major issue, whatever their personal feelings on it, AND the people who disagree with their stance on it.

And the real problem for Republicans is that Democrats aren't giving them anything good to campaign against. Some Republican pundits are going apeshit over President Obama saying he supports the 1st amendment and that's the end of it for him, but that feels a lot like stretching to me, and are they honestly going to say they disagree with him on that point if push comes to shove? And most other Democrats are either saying they personally don't approve, or are staying out of it entirely. If the Republicans are having an issue all by themselves, is this really going to convince voters of anything?

 

[Cheesetogo]

1) It's not a mosque.
2) It's not at Ground Zero.

Get your logic out of here. Don't you understand? This is P&N!