YAGT: pr0n and relationships

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Bullshit, lettuce doesn't cause brain damage.

You make comments like that and accuse me of being brain damaged? Might want to rethink that.

You know, there's another perfectly healthy sexual practice that has also never caused any children out of wedlock, STDs, or other nasty side effects. It's called masturbation. You should try it.

No thanks, I'll pass.

A nymphomaniac.

Congratulations. Someone with no control over their sexual desires. And aren't they usually criticized? Slut, whore, prostitute. Funny. How critical of the man are you?

Or he can jerk off 3x7x365 with exceptions for sex, and all is well.

Or he could learn to control himself. You can keep making up other options, but that one will still be there.

Well, just in case you decided to give into the filthy temptation of natural predisposition, spank the monkey, end up blind, and have to use a text-to-speech convertor, I figured you could use a hand.

- M4H

I wouldn't worry too much about that, but I appreciate your concern. :thumbsup:

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I have never seen such a proclamation. I will look into it and check it's validity.

No, I won't tell you what happens during the Endowment ceremony. But I will tell you there is no 'blessing of the balls' in the Endowment. So like I said, wrong.

You don't need to tell me what happens during the Endowment ceremony. I already know.

However, it appears I was mistaken about the "ball" blessings no longer occur. "Touching" during the Endowment Ceremony was removed in late 2004/early 2005. My information is out of date.

Naturally, you're not allowed to confirm this (especially if you were endowed pre-1990 under fear of "penalty").

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
90% of serial killers eat cookies.
70% lacked control over their cookie urges.

People who eat cookies have a higher chance of becoming serial killers.

You'd better stop eating cookies.

If you can show the direct correlations as to how cookies cause such emotions, I'll stop today.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore


You make comments like that and accuse me of being brain damaged? Might want to rethink that.

I hear the wheels slowly beginning to turn over there. Lettuce causing brain damage is a straw man argument, the same kind (albiet more exaggerated) that you've been throwing up by the boatload.

No thanks, I'll pass.

Enjoy the swollen prostate.

Congratulations. Someone with no control over their sexual desires. And aren't they usually criticized? Slut, whore, prostitute. Funny. How critical of the man are you?

A nymphomanic has control over their desire - said desire just happens to be very high. God forbid someone have more of a sex drive than your expected standard.

Or he could learn to control himself. You can keep making up other options, but that one will still be there.

He is controlling himself if he's jerking off. He's not cheating on his wife. He's happy. She's happy. Who's losing here?

I wouldn't worry too much about that, but I appreciate your concern. :thumbsup:

Here's hoping.

- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I have never seen such a proclamation. I will look into it and check it's validity.

No, I won't tell you what happens during the Endowment ceremony. But I will tell you there is no 'blessing of the balls' in the Endowment. So like I said, wrong.

You don't need to tell me what happens during the Endowment ceremony. I already know.

However, it appears I was mistaken about the "ball" blessings no longer occur. "Touching" during the Endowment Ceremony was removed in late 2004/early 2005. My information is out of date.

Naturally, you're not allowed to confirm this (especially if you were endowed pre-1990 under fear of "penalty").

Wait a goddamn minute, they give each other hand jobs but have a beef against masturbation?

- M4H

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: sixone
At a comedy club, you're seeing a live show, having a few drinks and some laughs with other people. How you could be a Raptor pilot IRL would be a little more difficult. In other words, you're getting more than you would in front of your TV set.

Porn is a second-rate experience, compared to the real thing.

:thumbsup:

Well, no sh1t.

Watching a movie on TV is a second-rate experience compared to watching it on an Imax screen.

Listening to a music CD is a second-rate experience compared to being at a live concert.

Eating Hamburger Helper on your couch is a second-rate experience to eating a nice meal at a fine restaurant.

So are you saying nobody should every do any of those things, since they are obviously depriving themselves of the "real" experience? I'm failing to see anything resembling a point in your quips.

No, I never said that.

And your examples are completely unreasonable. Who do you know that has the budget to support seeing an Imax daily, or following your favorite band from venue to venue, or eating out every day? Those things are luxuries for almost all of us.

 

[novasatori]

sounds like ppl are jealous of you eeyore

I know I am...

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
You don't need to tell me what happens during the Endowment ceremony. I already know.

Apparently not. You don't even seem to know the difference between the Endowment and Inititories (sorry, no idea on the spelling there). Just for the record though, there's no "ball blessing" there either, though I assume that's what you were trying to say.

However, it appears I was mistaken about the "ball" blessings no longer occur. "Touching" during the Endowment Ceremony was removed in late 2004/early 2005. My information is out of date.

I went through long before that date and it didn't happen then either. But you are correct. You are mistaken.

Naturally, you're not allowed to confirm this (especially if you were endowed pre-1990 under fear of "penalty").

I wouldn't confirm it whether I was 'allowed' to or not. Being as you're not a member, I see no reason or point to discuss it with you.

 

[KingofCamelot]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
90% of serial killers eat cookies.
70% lacked control over their cookie urges.

People who eat cookies have a higher chance of becoming serial killers.

You'd better stop eating cookies.

If you can show the direct correlations as to how cookies cause such emotions, I'll stop today.

Perhaps I missed it, but where did you show direct correlations that masturbation causes molestation urges?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
I hear the wheels slowly beginning to turn over there. Lettuce causing brain damage is a straw man argument, the same kind (albiet more exaggerated) that you've been throwing up by the boatload.

As I've never made a straw man argument, thanks for the education. The massive understanding of straw man arguments you have doesn't speak very well of you though. Or is it only other people who make them because you're the one who's always right?

How are the wheels turning now?

Enjoy the swollen prostate.

Never had one. I'll let you know how it feels though if it ever happens.

A nymphomanic has control over their desire - said desire just happens to be very high. God forbid someone have more of a sex drive than your expected standard.

Nymphomaniac - abnormally excessive and uncontrollable sexual desire in women.

Definition

He is controlling himself if he's jerking off. He's not cheating on his wife. He's happy. She's happy. Who's losing here?

Who said she was happy? Or let me guess, she should be happy and she should just learn to deal with it because she's a woman and I'm the man. Said like a true gentleman.

And if he has to masturbate that often, you can't honestly say he's in control of his sexual desires. Even you couldn't say that.

 

[OOBradm]

engineereeyore,
I understand your argument thus far.

I have one question for you, however. Are you worried about becoming a child molester or a rapist? If so, then I can understand your desire to control your sexual urges.
I know that i have enough self control that I can indulge in masturbation and not have to worry about losing control as far as committing rape.

I think you worry about losing control of yourself, and that's why you don't masturbate. Let me ask you another question. Do you drink alcohol? Or have you ever used any recreational drugs?

I drink occasionally and it would be a lie to say that I haven't used other drugs. But I know that I don't have a problem with any of them, and I also believe i have the self control to stop when it becomes a problem. Maybe learn to trust your own self control more, and then masturbating wouldn't be such an issue for you.

 

[lyssword]

Holy crap, engineereeyore is a complete douchebag, he thinks that rapists/child molesters are same as masturbators. Complete lack of logic/morals. It's like he's saying punching a boxing bag is the same as punching unwilling person, or playing counterstrike is equal to murdering people in real life. Or drinking caffeinne is like taking heroine, I can keep saying more ridiculous comparisons, but I think you get the idea..
I have no doubt that engineereeyore is a retard..

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Perhaps I missed it, but where did you show direct correlations that masturbation causes molestation urges?

I stated that telling someone they should masturbate because such urges are only 'natural' can cause people to believe that other such urges are only 'natural' too. I did quote a paper on it and there are others available on google. And I will tell you right now and have no problems saying it, that there are people who agree with me and people who don't, just as there are on this board. You need to decide who you agree with. I won't condemn you for believing either. I personally see the logic in there being a connection there and have decided to take that stance. Feel free to take whichever you wish.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: ryan256

Originally posted by: sixone
At a comedy club, you're seeing a live show, having a few drinks and some laughs with other people. How you could be a Raptor pilot IRL would be a little more difficult. In other words, you're getting more than you would in front of your TV set.

Porn is a second-rate experience, compared to the real thing.

:thumbsup:

Well, no sh1t.

Watching a movie on TV is a second-rate experience compared to watching it on an Imax screen.

Listening to a music CD is a second-rate experience compared to being at a live concert.

Eating Hamburger Helper on your couch is a second-rate experience to eating a nice meal at a fine restaurant.

So are you saying nobody should every do any of those things, since they are obviously depriving themselves of the "real" experience? I'm failing to see anything resembling a point in your quips.

No, I never said that.

And your examples are completely unreasonable. Who do you know that has the budget to support seeing an Imax daily, or following your favorite band from venue to venue, or eating out every day? Those things are luxuries for almost all of us.

Newsflash: Having filthy, kinky, unfettered sex with a gaggle of attractive, freaky partners would be considered a "luxury" for a great many people as well.


Again, I ask what *is* your point? No one here is arguing that pornography is superior to good sex, yet that appears to be your sole argument.

If someone had a steak in freezer, as well as a microwaveable burrito, you are implying that would be a dumb idea to *ever* choose the burrito. What if the guy doesn't have the time or energy to thaw out the steak, fire up the grill, marinate his steak, etc? What if he just wants to eat something quick and head out?

You keep poo-pooing my analogies, but they are spot on, for the most part. Sure, we'd all choose great, safe, fulfilling sex with a hot partner over 20 minutes of pornography, but sometimes that's not always that easy. That choice isn't always available.

So I ask again, what's wrong with wolfing down a microwave burrito once in a while?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: OOBradm
engineereeyore,
I understand your argument thus far.

I have one question for you, however. Are you worried about becoming a child molester or a rapist? If so, then I can understand your desire to control your sexual urges.
I know that i have enough self control that I can indulge in masturbation and not have to worry about losing control as far as committing rape.

I don't know that I worry about committing rape, but I definitely worry about adultery. I was addicted to pornography as a child and would be hooked again in a second if I let myself. And yes, I feel that for me it is very important to have and maintain that control.

I think you worry about losing control of yourself, and that's why you don't masturbate. Let me ask you another question. Do you drink alcohol? Or have you ever used any recreational drugs?

You are correct. I do worry about losing control. As for alcohol, I have used it before but no longer do. As for drugs, no, never used.

I drink occasionally and it would be a lie to say that I haven't used other drugs. But I know that I don't have a problem with any of them, and I also believe i have the self control to stop when it becomes a problem. Maybe learn to trust your own self control more, and then masturbating wouldn't be such an issue for you.

That's very possible, and please don't take this wrong, but I've known many people who 'had control' over it. I'm not trying to insinuate that you don't, but I'd rather not take the chance. Again, personal preference.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: lyssword
Holy crap, engineereeyore is a complete douchebag, he thinks that rapists/child molesters are same as masturbators.

Well, that was as far as I need to read to see you haven't read anything. It's not very effective to make comments like that when you're only showing your own ignorance by doing so.

 

[engineereeyore]

Anyway, I'm going home to not masturbate. Feel free to continue the discussion. I've said all I care to.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: trmiv
It sure as hell doesn't start because they discovered beating off. Normal people that aren't F'd in the head can beat off and never think about molesting kids. If people are sick in the head and get turned on by children, they are going to molest a kid regardless.

I'm sure you don't think that had anything to do with. To admit is might would be to admit I have a valid point, and I don't expect you'll ever do that. Everything starts somewhere. I've never stated or claimed that people who masturbate are automatically going to become sexual predators or child molesters. Are all people who drink going to drive drunk or get liver cancer? All acts have repercussions, all of them. They're not the same for everyone and never will be. I tend to be one of those people who would rather not take the chance. If there is a possibility that what I am currently doing could directly lead me to do something much worse, I will avoid doing it. It's that simple. If you don't feel that way, fine. Whatever. It's your life. But tell me again why you're criticizing me for trying to control my bodily urges. If anything, it's only helping you. It dang sure isn't hurting you. And I'm not condemning you to hell or anything else for being involved in it. So what's your problem?

Are you afraid of something? I don't get it. You're the type of person who would rather not take the chance? Do you think if you give in and don't "control your bodily urges" and jerk it, you're somehow raising the chance of becoming a molester or rapist? What exactly are you afraid of?

You either know molesting a kid or raping someone is wrong or you don't. And if someone doesn't, they are f'd in the head, and were going to molest some kid regardless if they beat off or not. Giving in to your "urges" by beating your meat and giving into your "urges" by doing some kid aren't anywhere near the same thing. As Sam Jackson said, "it ain't the same f'n ballpark, it ain't the same league, hell it ain't even the same f'n sport."

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: OOBradm
engineereeyore,
I understand your argument thus far.

I have one question for you, however. Are you worried about becoming a child molester or a rapist? If so, then I can understand your desire to control your sexual urges.
I know that i have enough self control that I can indulge in masturbation and not have to worry about losing control as far as committing rape.

I don't know that I worry about committing rape, but I definitely worry about adultery. I was addicted to pornography as a child and would be hooked again in a second if I let myself. And yes, I feel that for me it is very important to have and maintain that control.

I think you worry about losing control of yourself, and that's why you don't masturbate. Let me ask you another question. Do you drink alcohol? Or have you ever used any recreational drugs?

You are correct. I do worry about losing control. As for alcohol, I have used it before but no longer do. As for drugs, no, never used.

I drink occasionally and it would be a lie to say that I haven't used other drugs. But I know that I don't have a problem with any of them, and I also believe i have the self control to stop when it becomes a problem. Maybe learn to trust your own self control more, and then masturbating wouldn't be such an issue for you.

That's very possible, and please don't take this wrong, but I've known many people who 'had control' over it. I'm not trying to insinuate that you don't, but I'd rather not take the chance. Again, personal preference.

I knew there was an underlying reason for him being so convinced about the connections between masturbation and sex crimes. Maybe he should lay off choking the chicken since it could turn him into a rapist.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Anyway, I'm going home to rape children. Feel free to continue the discussion. I've said all I care to.

Sicko.

- M4H

 

[cKGunslinger]

If I was in some bizarre life or death situation and had to leave my kids with one of two random strangers and I asked them "OK, have either of you ever masturbated?" and Guy 1 says, "Uh, well.. yeah. It's a pretty normal thing to do." and Guy 2 says "Never! Masturbation is a sin and leads to immoral thoughts and immoral acts! I would never dare risk the chance of becoming a pervert or pedophile by defiling my body in such a way! Urges must be controlled and purity must be maintained!"

I'd turn to Guy 1 and with my dying breath, say "Keep that weirdo away from my kids!"

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger


If I was in some bizarre life or death situation and had to leave my kids with one of two random strangers and I asked them "OK, have either of you ever masturbated?" and Guy 1 says, "Uh, well.. yeah. It's a pretty normal thing to do." and Guy 2 says "Never! Masturbation is a sin and leads to immoral thoughts and immoral acts! I would never dare risk the chance of becoming a pervert or pedophile by defiling my body in such a way! Urges must be controlled and purity must be maintained!"

I'd turn to Guy 1 and with my dying breath, say "Keep that weirdo away from my kids!"

:thumbsup: I'm literally LOLing at that.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I don't know that I worry about committing rape, but I definitely worry about adultery. I was addicted to pornography as a child and would be hooked again in a second if I let myself. And yes, I feel that for me it is very important to have and maintain that control.

How is it that one would be "addicted to pornography" yet only masturbated once in your life? I don't quite get that, something doesn't add up.

If you have such weak character that touching your penis might result in you cheating on your wife, you need to seek some professional help.

Another point you repeatedly make is about avoiding masturbation as a method of "controlling bodily urges" yet you claim to have an active sex life with your wife (not for the purpose of procreation). Don't you need to control your bodily urges? Isn't the sexual outlet you have with your wife a bodily urge that you're not controlling?

I'm not even going to address your absurd theory about masturbation and child molestation and rape. :roll: You have a sick imagination.

I don't honestly care whether you whack off, but some of your comments are pretty over the top.

 

[Luthien]

Monkey's masturbate therefore we are monkeys.

Onanistic frenzy!

Form of a Tampon unite!

lol

 

[Compudork]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I don't know that I worry about committing rape, but I definitely worry about adultery. I was addicted to pornography as a child and would be hooked again in a second if I let myself. And yes, I feel that for me it is very important to have and maintain that control.

How is it that one would be "addicted to pornography" yet only masturbated once in your life?

One word: Denial.

Judging the presentation of his arguments it seems he is is projecting his own insecurities/impulsive thoughts on others. Heck, I have no issue if the guy never masturbated, but the correlations he makes between self gratification and complete loss of sexual control to impulses are frightening.