Not that I can imagine. I don't see where that's anyone's business but theirs. As long as they're in agreement on it, I don't see any problems.
Not that I can imagine. I don't see where that's anyone's business but theirs. As long as they're in agreement on it, I don't see any problems.
I'm doing no such thing and never have. If a parent screams at their children and hits the wall and then that child grows up to be a wife beater, does that equate the two? No. Is there a correlation between the two? Very likely. It's the same thing. The child is taught that controlling oneself in such a way, or not controlling I should say, is okay. Such a person would likely grow up with a large amount of anger and be a very physical person.
Hey, I'll be the first to tell you sex is great. I wouldn't dream of making a claim that it isn't.
You're welcome to such an opinion if you wish. You can blame the wife all you wish for not letting daddy do anything he wanted. Heaven forbid he actually be held accountable for his actions. Sounds to me like the voice of a guilty party trying to justify their own actions. :Q
child of wonder
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That's not true.
http://www.lds-mormon.com/worthy_letter.shtml
Now, church leaders are not to specifically inquire about member's sex lives nor give direct counsel regarding oral sex, but the church's stance on the subject is quite clear.
I know much more than you think about the Endowment Ceremony. My in laws are Mormons and my wife is an ex-Mormon.
But, please, would you tell people a bit about what goes on during an Endowment Ceremony so they can see how stupid I am?
Playing Microsoft Flight Simulator is second rate compared to the real thing. So why should I play any video game? Because it's FUN.
People view pornography as bad because of jealousy/insecurity.
The claim that it is degrading/exploitive of women is horse poop. 1,000's of women wouldn't be willingly getting into porn because it was bad. Some do it for the money, others do it because they love sex. You can't say it demeans women, it demeans YOU personally.
edit: BTW, nice bias poll. Where's the option of I watch it because I can or I watch it because it's fun, or I watch it to piss off people that think it's degrading to women?
"Yes I would. Very easily. Both are examples of an inability to control sexual desires. So where do you draw the distinction upon which are 'right' and which are 'wrong'. When they hurt someone? Well guess what, that's already happened on both sides. "
where do you draw the line!?? If you can't see that obvious of a line, then there is something seriously wrong with you.
Reminder to self: plant lots of grain this year, engineereeyore is making arguments and needs lots of straw.
At least you have that part of your brain wired correctly.
Argument was anecdotal evidence in the first place, but again - maybe if they'd aired their sexual behaviours with each other first, Daddy could have gone off to be happy with his second wife as the first wife, and Mommy could have married some other sexually repressed excuse for a human skin.
http://www.widhh.com/
- M4H
I have never seen such a proclamation. I will look into it and check it's validity.
No, I won't tell you what happens during the Endowment ceremony. But I will tell you there is no 'blessing of the balls' in the Endowment. So like I said, wrong.
You've got to be kidding me. It's called being able to tell right from wrong. People who just jerk off are normal, but people molest kids are sickos. How do you even make the leap from someone being told jerking off is OK, to them assuming molesting a kid is OK?
Paralleling two things and claiming they have the same negative consequences is not even close to being the same. Both share a large number of similarities, thus their parallelism. Are they identical in severity? Obviously not.
As for where I draw the line, I believe any sexual act outside of marriage is wrong. As for in marriage relationships, I'll leave that between the couple. That's their business, not mine. Again, just my opinion.
So is that how you respond to all arguments you can't win?
Well thanks. I think it functions rather well. I don't have to worry about out-of-marriage children, STD's, getting caught, or any other side-effect. Seems to be working nicely to me.
Point conceded, and I agree. I feel people should be more open about their sexual wants and desires prior to marriage. However, tell me a woman that is going to marry a man who says "I demand sex 3 times a day, 7 days a week, every day of the year, and if you don't give it to me, I'll get it elsewhere". Or perhaps, as I said, he could have learned a little self control.
Oh, no worries. This is a message board. Only reading is required. Don't need to hear, but thanks for the link.
thecoolnessrune
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Shouldn't be too hard for you, I've certainly never seen you act any better on this forum :laugh:
Yes, being able to tell right from wrong. Now tell me how many 13 years you feel confident can accurately tell the difference between the two? I'd agree, molesters are sickos. But how many of them just wake up and say, "I think I'll molest someone today." Where do you think it starts for them?
Here a good read.
Convicted felons on sexual activities
zinfamous
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Is that where you walk into the temple, with the holy "box" or whatever it is, and must wear the holy underwear? It's been awhile, but this is one of the first things I remember.
Is the endowment before or after you are granted your own planet, inhabited by yourself and your many wives?
Also, that document doesn't mention anything specifically regarding oral sex. Only "Homosexual acts, including lesbian, or other unnatural, impure, or unholy practices."
I suppose he's assuming oral sex would be included within the last 3 categories.
Interesting, this gives each mormon priest, or whatever they're called, free reign to decide what is impure, I suppose....
It sure as hell doesn't start because they discovered beating off. Normal people that aren't F'd in the head can beat off and never think about molesting kids. If people are sick in the head and get turned on by children, they are going to molest a kid regardless.
AbAbber2k
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And how exactly do you maintain your stance that your qualms over masturbation are purely your own? Regardless of being "officially" indoctrinated, you were raised with HEAVY religious beliefs/values, at least half of which were Mormon influenced.
:roll:
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Is that where you walk into the temple, with the holy "box" or whatever it is, and must wear the holy underwear? It's been awhile, but this is one of the first things I remember.
Is the endowment before or after you are granted your own planet, inhabited by yourself and your many wives?
Don't remember a holy 'box', never got my own planet, and only have one wife. Hmm, I must be going to the wrong temple.
I thought the same thing, but here is a line.
Now I'll admit, I've never heard any such thing. I'm looking up this document to verify that it exist, but so far haven't found it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some reservations about the validity of it.
As I said, I don't expect everyone to accept it, agree with it, or in your case, even understand it. But that's your choice. The ideas presented make perfect sense. Perhaps try and read it again.
I'm sure you don't think that had anything to do with. To admit is might would be to admit I have a valid point, and I don't expect you'll ever do that. Everything starts somewhere. I've never stated or claimed that people who masturbate are automatically going to become sexual predators or child molesters. Are all people who drink going to drive drunk or get liver cancer? All acts have repercussions, all of them. They're not the same for everyone and never will be. I tend to be one of those people who would rather not take the chance. If there is a possibility that what I am currently doing could directly lead me to do something much worse, I will avoid doing it. It's that simple. If you don't feel that way, fine. Whatever. It's your life. But tell me again why you're criticizing me for trying to control my bodily urges. If anything, it's only helping you. It dang sure isn't hurting you. And I'm not condemning you to hell or anything else for being involved in it. So what's your problem?
Bullshit, lettuce doesn't cause brain damage.
You know, there's another perfectly healthy sexual practice that has also never caused any children out of wedlock, STDs, or other nasty side effects. It's called masturbation. You should try it.
A nymphomaniac.
Or he can jerk off 3x7x365 with exceptions for sex, and all is well.
Well, just in case you decided to give into the filthy temptation of natural predisposition, spank the monkey, end up blind, and have to use a text-to-speech convertor, I figured you could use a hand.
- M4H
90% of serial killers eat cookies.
70% lacked control over their cookie urges.
People who eat cookies have a higher chance of becoming serial killers.
You'd better stop eating cookies.
No, I was not raised with heavy beliefs, but yes with values. My father encouraged masturbation, so wheres your point now? The day I told my father I was planning to marry my wife, his advice to me was that I need to go out and get more sex first. Play the field more. Though you may share the same opinion, tell me. Why would I ruin what I had with my fiancee? Why would I want to introduce worries of pregnancy and STD's into my life? They sure sound fun, but you know, I think I'll pass.
As I stated before, my Mormon *indoctrination* didn't happen until I was 18. But you keep holding to that, seeing as it's all you've got.
cKGunslinger
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Well, no sh1t.
Watching a movie on TV is a second-rate experience compared to watching it on an Imax screen.
Listening to a music CD is a second-rate experience compared to being at a live concert.
Eating Hamburger Helper on your couch is a second-rate experience to eating a nice meal at a fine restaurant.
So are you saying nobody should every do any of those things, since they are obviously depriving themselves of the "real" experience? I'm failing to see anything resembling a point in your quips.
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