YAGT: OMG I love guns

[BladeVenom]

Dragon Skin is good shit.
Too bad about all the political nonsense surrounding it.

Dragon Skin fell apart in the heat test. Not a good sign for something that was being used in the desert.

It was also a lot heavier for the same level of protection. Those overlapping scales may have made it more flexible, but it also made it heavier.

If I'm not mistaken it also wasn't reliable from all angles. Straight on, or above it worked, side or low shot could slip between the scales.

 

[Zargon]

I always prefer the bullet the gun was built for. 9mm = 124 gr, .40 = 180 gr, .45 = 230 gr.

I don't see a point to 147 gr 9mm or 150 gr 40. If I want the slower/faster or bigger/smaller bullet I will move to the appropriate caliber instead of pretending my .40 is a 9mm or .45.

so you only shoot 55 gr 2.23 then right in an AR right???

hell technically 40s&w is a bastard caliber anyways, so you probably shouldn't shoot that either

 

[OCGuy]

I would never use hand loads for self-defense. DA would just use it against me.

I kind of laugh at people who bicker over nuances in high-grade commercial ammo for self-defense. If you can aim, and your gun likes it, badguy go down.

However, you are correct about re-loads. Keep them at the range.

 

[exdeath]

Someone mentioned higher-velocity rounds having more recoil...I'm pretty sure that's not really a thing. At all. .22 versus .45 anyone?

Silly comparison, but I think it illustrated what I've always assumed to be true...bullet weight goes up, velocity goes down. Seems kinda 'duh,' but it's not as simple as 'the heavier thing is harder to accelerate,' is it?

All anyone ever rates ammo with is bullet weight, various velocities (muzzle, 50ft, ect), and pressure. Pressure being in the form of +P. Or +P+. Or +P++PPP+++PP+P+ or some shit if you're one of those dudes that enjoys reloading your own ammo and Glocks exploding in your hand. :awe:

What does powder charge do? I think I've always assumed that the amount of powder goes down as bullet weight goes up...it's not just 'x' amount of powder accelerating a 114gr bullet more easily than a 147gr bullet...it's the heavier bullet being a greater opposition to the expanding gases, so the amount of powder must decrease to to allow cartridge pressure to remain in spec. Right? Maybe? I dunno.

Heavier bullets are longer and take up more case capacity. Usually you want a different powder to compensate for loss of powder volume to generate the same pressure up to the max pressure spec regardless of the bullet being used.

 

[dabuddha]

9mm is the way to go.

My money was spent on the S&W M&P 9.

absolutely love my m&p shield 9!

 

[Bird222]

Can someone recommend a good car safe? Also a good home safe for a pistol?

 

[rudeguy]

Can someone recommend a good car safe? Also a good home safe for a pistol?

GunVault.

I use the nano in my car. Its perfect for one pistol and magazine and has a steel cable to tie down with. For home I use the GunVault WITHOUT the biometrics. The bio safes have issues that allow them to be broken into pretty easily.

 

[rudeguy]

absolutely love my m&p shield 9!

I'm about to go finger some guns on my lunch break. I really hope I don't walk out with a Shield.....


:sneaky:

 

[IGemini]

GunVault.

I use the nano in my car. Its perfect for one pistol and magazine and has a steel cable to tie down with. For home I use the GunVault WITHOUT the biometrics. The bio safes have issues that allow them to be broken into pretty easily.

Seconded, I use a MultiVault at home. They're pretty much the best balance of value and capacity. Winchester used to make a good safe that was bigger but was discontinued. Their new all-biometric pistol safes are smaller and far more expensive.

 

[OCGuy]

I'm about to go finger some guns on my lunch break.


:sneaky:

Finger some guns, eh? Going to get into an argument about aliens as well?

 

[dabuddha]

I'm about to go finger some guns on my lunch break. I really hope I don't walk out with a Shield.....


:sneaky:

At least buy them dinner first

 

[rudeguy]

At least buy them dinner first

I stayed out of the gun store. Until I can figure out if I'm getting a Glock 19 or a P229 I don't need more confusion.

 

[HumblePie]

GunVault.

I use the nano in my car. Its perfect for one pistol and magazine and has a steel cable to tie down with. For home I use the GunVault WITHOUT the biometrics. The bio safes have issues that allow them to be broken into pretty easily.

Any small safe has issues that allow them to be broken into easy. Here is the thing, a "safe" is a relative term. Anything can be broken into given enough time and determination. Yes some take longer than others. As a whole though small safes are pretty easy to break into regardless of the locking mechanism. Besides a small safe is just easy enough to take by itself to be opened later.

The point of the safe in a house isn't really to prevent "bad guys" from gaining access to your gun. Especially not a small gun safe. It is to prevent curious kids from having ready access to something they shouldn't. That's why federal law on requires a container that can be locked when it comes to anyone gaining unauthorized access to a firearm. I can put a gun in a wood or plastic jewelry box with a tiny lock on it. If a criminal steals the gun by breaking into it, as long as the box was locked I have satisfied the law on not being criminally responsible. Of course I think a crappy little box is just a bit "too" easy in discouraging unauthorized people from gaining access to one of my firearms.

But when it comes to the the pros and cons of locking mechanisms on small safes it really is a moot point. It's like arguing about which type of apple is better. Granny, gold, fuji, gala, or red delicious. It's just personal flavor preference.

Big safes are a different matter. They can be built in such a way to provide heavy discouragement to a thief attempting to steal or break into. Or they can provide very little of the safe is a crap safe.

 

[OCGuy]

Any small safe has issues that allow them to be broken into easy. Here is the thing, a "safe" is a relative term. Anything can be broken into given enough time and determination. Yes some take longer than others. As a whole though small safes are pretty easy to break into regardless of the locking mechanism. Besides a small safe is just easy enough to take by itself to be opened later.

The point of the safe in a house isn't really to prevent "bad guys" from gaining access to your gun. Especially not a small gun safe. It is to prevent curious kids from having ready access to something they shouldn't. That's why federal law on requires a container that can be locked when it comes to anyone gaining unauthorized access to a firearm. I can put a gun in a wood or plastic jewelry box with a tiny lock on it. If a criminal steals the gun by breaking into it, as long as the box was locked I have satisfied the law on not being criminally responsible. Of course I think a crappy little box is just a bit "too" easy in discouraging unauthorized people from gaining access to one of my firearms.

But when it comes to the the pros and cons of locking mechanisms on small safes it really is a moot point. It's like arguing about which type of apple is better. Granny, gold, fuji, gala, or red delicious. It's just personal flavor preference.

Big safes are a different matter. They can be built in such a way to provide heavy discouragement to a thief attempting to steal or break into. Or they can provide very little of the safe is a crap safe.

I <3 the big rifle safe, thing seems fairly hard to break into.

Also, are you sure there is a federal law on criminal responsibility for storage? I know certain practices can keep you immune from civil liability, but the states have been tackling the criminal side of it.

There are multiple loaded firearms in the bedroom (no kids and they get locked away when company is over), and even in California, someone breaking in a stealing one would not make me criminally liable.

 

[Phanuel]

I stayed out of the gun store. Until I can figure out if I'm getting a Glock 19 or a P229 I don't need more confusion.

How will you know until you physically hold either one though? :awe:

I just can't stop adjusting things. Ordered the G17 trigger to drop into my 19, the minus disconnector, and the 30274 ejector (to try and solve a brass to face issue with my Gen 3). Also got that grip adapter because I was giving myself some awesome slide bite while shooting it (big help).

 

[rudeguy]

Any small safe has issues that allow them to be broken into easy. Here is the thing, a "safe" is a relative term. Anything can be broken into given enough time and determination. Yes some take longer than others. As a whole though small safes are pretty easy to break into regardless of the locking mechanism. Besides a small safe is just easy enough to take by itself to be opened later.

The point of the safe in a house isn't really to prevent "bad guys" from gaining access to your gun. Especially not a small gun safe. It is to prevent curious kids from having ready access to something they shouldn't. That's why federal law on requires a container that can be locked when it comes to anyone gaining unauthorized access to a firearm. I can put a gun in a wood or plastic jewelry box with a tiny lock on it. If a criminal steals the gun by breaking into it, as long as the box was locked I have satisfied the law on not being criminally responsible. Of course I think a crappy little box is just a bit "too" easy in discouraging unauthorized people from gaining access to one of my firearms.

But when it comes to the the pros and cons of locking mechanisms on small safes it really is a moot point. It's like arguing about which type of apple is better. Granny, gold, fuji, gala, or red delicious. It's just personal flavor preference.

Big safes are a different matter. They can be built in such a way to provide heavy discouragement to a thief attempting to steal or break into. Or they can provide very little of the safe is a crap safe.

You like to read yourself talking entirely too much.

Bio GunVaults had a problem where if electricity was hooked up a certain way, they would open. I don't want my son or a burglar getting into my guns. That is why I said to avoid the bio safes.

 

[rudeguy]

How will you know until you physically hold either one though? :awe:

I just can't stop adjusting things. Ordered the G17 trigger to drop into my 19, the minus disconnector, and the 30274 ejector (to try and solve a brass to face issue with my Gen 3). Also got that grip adapter because I was giving myself some awesome slide bite while shooting it (big help).

I've held both and that's the problem.

I love Glocks...LOVE THEM.
I love the P229.

My current plan is G4 G29 > G42 > P229. That should keep me busy for a while.

 

[Phanuel]

I think a P228 is probably the only Sig I'd ever want, so my mind is pretty set on the issue. I'm not big DA/SA or collecting multiple different calibers. Comfortable with owning just 9mm and 1 or 2 .45acp.

Which brings me to the problem with the 1911... buy a pistol, then spend equal or greater its value in customizing it (already falling into that trap).

 

[rudeguy]

I think a P228 is probably the only Sig I'd ever want, so my mind is pretty set on the issue. I'm not big DA/SA or collecting multiple different calibers. Comfortable with owning just 9mm and 1 or 2 .45acp.

Which brings me to the problem with the 1911... buy a pistol, then spend equal or greater its value in customizing it (already falling into that trap).

Exactly why I stayed away from them and rifles....

But now I'm thinking a 223 wouldn't be bad to have and I could start with a cheap one. But I know I wouldn't stop there and I don't want to spend $5k on a rifle I will only use once in a great while.

 

[Zargon]

How will you know until you physically hold either one though? :awe:

I just can't stop adjusting things. Ordered the G17 trigger to drop into my 19, the minus disconnector, and the 30274 ejector (to try and solve a brass to face issue with my Gen 3). Also got that grip adapter because I was giving myself some awesome slide bite while shooting it (big help).

you are putting a stiffer trigger in the glock? I assume you mean trigger bar

you can just buy the NY spring for that too

 

[Zargon]

Exactly why I stayed away from them and rifles....

But now I'm thinking a 223 wouldn't be bad to have and I could start with a cheap one. But I know I wouldn't stop there and I don't want to spend $5k on a rifle I will only use once in a great while.

5k? even the Larue OBR and LWRC REPR don't cost THAT much

 

[corwin]

But now I'm thinking a 223 wouldn't be bad to have and I could start with a cheap one. But I know I wouldn't stop there and I don't want to spend $5k on a rifle I will only use once in a great while.

I was hesitant to buy an AR myself, but once I did I find I shoot it all the time

And I got my new Sig and my Spike's lower:awe:

Awesome transfer deal from a local guy too, $15 for both of them on his kitchen table

Had a great talk with him on several things too, don't think I've heard anyone mention it here yet but I just learned about the Tactical Fire Control 3MR...might have just found a way to blow $500 :awe:
http://tacfirecon.com/

 

[phucheneh]

I find Sig's pricing a little hard to stomach, and I'm not a huge fan of their control setup.

But god I love those little ones. Such a classy little pistol.

 

[Phanuel]

you are putting a stiffer trigger in the glock? I assume you mean trigger bar

you can just buy the NY spring for that too

No, the 17's trigger is a smooth face instead of the ridges on the 19's. And the minus disconnector will reduce the pull weight a couple of pounds. The 19 is essentially the NY trigger weight if I recall, it's a bit much.

G357 GLOCK OEM Trigger w/Trigger Bar For G17
G721 4.5 Pound Stock Connector

 

[corwin]

I find Sig's pricing a little hard to stomach, and I'm not a huge fan of their control setup.

But god I love those little ones. Such a classy little pistol.

Pricing is definitely a little steep, but for just over $600 this one wasn't bad...and besides, it's perdy for sure

Now that damn trigger is calling me...would be fun to use that "undead" option on my new lower:awe: