YAGT: OMG I love guns

[jpeyton]

Stopped by the gun counter at Walmat while doing some grocery shopping and the ammo case was pretty much bare. No a single round of pistol ammo and only some odd ball file stuff other than 30-06.

Out of the three Walmarts in my area, two were bare, only one had ammo in today.

 

[velillen]

I did the opposite and instead of buying ammo went to the range and shot ~550 rounds, half of that .22 and the other half mixed .380, .45, and 7.62x39. It was my first time getting out the Sig 522 and man that is a fun gun. I put a hundred rounds of CCI minimags to "break it in" then switched to 'junk'. I shot Federal bulk, Remington Golden Bullet, and Winchester bulk and it shot all with not one problem. I even put 10 CCI "quiet .22" rounds through it and it cycled all but the last one! Thats pretty freaking cool!

Haha thats pretty much what i did yesterday too. Shot 100 rounds of 9mm, 120 of 10mm, 100 of 45acp, 125 through my 522, and ~100 through the mosquito. Pretty typical ammo usage for me per a range trip which i do on average every other weekend. Also had the whole bay giving me their brass too. In the hour i was there i ended up with close to 1k of 9mm and 1k of 45 brass. Not bad!

And yeah the 522 shoots everything pretty much. Only problems ive had with it were literally ammo wise. Ammo that wasnt firing in either the 522 or 10/22 for example.

For as much as people claim so many people dont want guns and blah blah every single time i go ot the range i go right when it opens. By the time i leave (an hour to hour and a half later) there is almost always a waiting line to get in (12 lane range). Seems like plenty of people like guns ot me!

 

[Zebo]

Why are you guys buying at high points? Time to buy is when hysteria has ebbed. Usually from ppl who overbought and liquidate to pay rent. Thats how i got my circa 1984 m16 and pretty much everything else.

 

[Icepick]

Why are you guys buying at high points? Time to buy is when hysteria has ebbed. Usually from ppl who overbought and liquidate to pay rent. Thats how i got my circa 1984 m16 and pretty much everything else.

The problem is that nobody knows exactly what is going to happen. Feinstein's proposed assault weapons ban is very restrictive and lists a lot of rifles and there's a probability that this will be the last chance to own some of the more capable semi-automatic rifles. If that passes then those who currently own them will get to keep them while nobody will have another chance to obtain them.

Here, in New York there's a lot of hope that the highly restrictive weapons ban will be overturned. If it isn't then we've got until April of 2014 to get hold of one of the banned rifles and register it.

 

[Icepick]

You plan on ordering from the CMP? That's what I'd like to do except I'd have to sign up for a participating club as well. I'm already a member of the NRA and a local gun club but I don't think that's enough.

You're right - that's not going to cut it. You need to become a member of a club or organization that has an affiliation with the CMP.

I mailed my membership application to the M1 Collectors Club yesterday. Now it will be around a two week wait to receive my membership card in the mail then I'll order my Garand. I really hope CMP doesn't run out. 🙂

By the way, it's only a $14 fee to become a member with the M1 Collectors Club and it will satisfy the "affiliated organization" requirement.

 

[OCGuy]

The problem is that nobody knows exactly what is going to happen. Feinstein's proposed assault weapons ban is very restrictive and lists a lot of rifles and there's a probability that this will be the last chance to own some of the more capable semi-automatic rifles. If that passes then those who currently own them will get to keep them while nobody will have another chance to obtain them.

Here, in New York there's a lot of hope that the highly restrictive weapons ban will be overturned. If it isn't then we've got until April of 2014 to get hold of one of the banned rifles and register it.

Read the news, and you will know what is going to happen. Basically nothing.

There are 6-8 (D) senators that have expressed in one way or another that they are not going to vote for a AWB, let alone Feinstien's abomination of a bill. Some of them are in rural areas, where they would swiftly be voted out in 2014.

It would be political suicide, and why would they do it? It wouldn't even make it to the floor in the (R) controlled house, so it would be all for nothing.

Now if you are in a state like NY which is even more ludicrous than CA is, then you have a reason to "panic" buy scary black rifles.

I know this is a little political, but people who don't understand how our government works feed the stereotype that gun-grabbers try to paint onto all responsible gun owners.

 

[spidey07]

Ocguy - it is not wise to hope for the best without preparing for the worst.

Many major firearm manufacturers have said they are 6+ months behind current back orders. We've never seen anything like the current buying "panic" going on. Never. It makes 1994 and 2008 look like childs play. People who never thought they'd buy a firearm are going out and buying based on current events/climate.

Basic supply/demand and production capacity.

 

[Icepick]

Ocguy - it is not wise to hope for the best without preparing for the worst.

Many major firearm manufacturers have said they are 6+ months behind current back orders. We've never seen anything like the current buying "panic" going on. Never. It makes 1994 and 2008 look like childs play. People who never thought they'd buy a firearm are going out and buying based on current events/climate.

Basic supply/demand and production capacity.

That's exactly what's happening here. Anyone who ever had the slightest idea that they "might" want to own an AR or military style semi-automatic rifle is scrambling to get one. This is bringing in a lot of noobs who have never owned any firearm before. I drove past the local gun store yesterday and the parking lot was jammed. There were many disappointed people coming out empty handed too.

 

[TheVrolok]

Ocguy - it is not wise to hope for the best without preparing for the worst.

Many major firearm manufacturers have said they are 6+ months behind current back orders. We've never seen anything like the current buying "panic" going on. Never. It makes 1994 and 2008 look like childs play. People who never thought they'd buy a firearm are going out and buying based on current events/climate.

Basic supply/demand and production capacity.

And Obama continues to be a boon to the firearms industry.

 

[roguerower]

Went to the local gun store yesterday and picked up 2x20rd mags for my M1A and 250rds of 147gr 7.62x51 for about $1/rd. It was all expensive, but the possible mag capacity issue worries me a bit since I only have a single 10rd mag. The ammo I bought because I don't have any. This should last me until the price *hopefully* starts returning to normal.

The store was almost picked clean of firearms. No semi-autos available, just bolt-action rifles. There was a garand for $1300, but that was about it. The pistol shelves were empty save for some .45s.

 

[madoka]

So these are some of the politicians who are making decisions on gun law . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oHsX7STHqNg

 

[Icepick]

Went to the local gun store yesterday and picked up 2x20rd mags for my M1A and 250rds of 147gr 7.62x51 for about $1/rd. It was all expensive, but the possible mag capacity issue worries me a bit since I only have a single 10rd mag. The ammo I bought because I don't have any. This should last me until the price *hopefully* starts returning to normal.

The store was almost picked clean of firearms. No semi-autos available, just bolt-action rifles. There was a garand for $1300, but that was about it. The pistol shelves were empty save for some .45s.

So what's the consensus in when the panic will die down and prices/supply will return to reasonable levels?

 

[irishScott]

So what's the consensus in when the panic will die down and prices/supply will return to reasonable levels?

After 2008 it took about a year. This is worse.

 

[pontifex]

got several goodies today.

2 Colt AR-15 30 rd. mags - $15 each
3 Colt AR-15 20 rd. mags - $12 each
4 1911 7 rd mags - $7.50 each
1 1911 14 rd. mag - $15
1 M1 Carbine 30 rd. mag - $10
1 US GI mag pouch (holds 2 mags)

2 boxes of 5.56x45 - $4 each
1 box of .45 ACP HP - $12
12 boxes of Winchester Silver tip 30-06 - $10 each

Last week I got a Winchester Model 70 30-06 with 4-12x Leupold scope from him.

It's good to have an uncle who has a gunsmithing/gunshop business and has stored a bunch of stuff for a long time and now wants to start unloading stuff, usually at prices he originally paid for said stuff, or if not his original purchase price, still less than current going prices.

Wish he had more 5.56/.223 but he mostly deals with hunting rifles so guess I am lucky he even had that stuff.

 

[OCGuy]

Spidey, I am like you (I assume) and was prepared before all of this. Supply and demand is what I am shaking my head at. A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT is saying that owning firearms is a personal, not a collective (militia) right, as some of the loonie lefters want you to think.

They are laughing all the way to the bank charging $19 a box for crappy 9MM ammo due to people not being educated. And it pains me to say that, because it just feeds into the stereotype of gun owners being inbred kunckle-dragging simpletons.

For rifles, just to be safe, I would have all .223 and 308 stocked up. But even then, there is no logical reason to over-stock at this exact moment, unless you are in an outlier nutcase state. The prices will come back down. There is no threat on a national level.

There is plenty of supply that is usually bought by .gov at this time of year, and the demand is fake and temporary. I am all for a responsibly armed populace, but panic buying is an emotional reaction, and as we both know, that when it comes time to use a gun for defense of self, property, or family......you cannot have emotion.

Now back to gun porn, people need to start posting pics of their new purchases.

 

[clamum]

I don't get the ammo panic buying. Do people think ammo is going to be outlawed or something?

 

[irishScott]

I don't get the ammo panic buying. Do people think ammo is going to be outlawed or something?

It's been talked about. New York's new law includes a ton of new regulations on ammunition (can't even buy it off the internet anymore, not even with an FFL transfer and check).

 

[velillen]

I don't get the ammo panic buying. Do people think ammo is going to be outlawed or something?

Theres been talk about it.

But i see it more as there are four categories that are causing ammo problems

1) The hoarders - Some people are trying to buy as much as they can just to have it in fear that they wont be able to get it as easy. Pretty much these people have plenty of ammo already but keep buying more at inflated prices making it worse.

2) Gun owners who just need ammo - The people who own guns but have never really bought in bulk. Pick up the 2-3 boxes at wal mart when they need it sort of deal. Well now they are seeing its hard to find so they are picking up more and more of it as they find it.

3) Brand new gun owners - People who hadnt owned guns till the threat of a ban. Well they get their new gun so they need ammo and just buy whatever they can find. Not a bad thing just more people trying to find ammo.

4) Those who just plain need ammo - Gun instructors and the such. Those who shoot 1000's of rounds a month in classes or whatever. They need the ammo but on a stressed market already it just adds to the problem.

Combine all four of those and you have an ammo shortage. Before all this hoarders were far fewer, group 2 of people were still doing what they were doing, group 3 was much smaller, group 4 they still bought tons but they are probably buying whatever they can find at this point.

As for when itll settle down....who knows. 2008 it took between 1-2 years to get back to normal. This time it is still going strong so the relief portion hasnt even come into play as of yet.


Even reloading has been hit in the same way. Same four categories and everything as you can see just by trying to find components and new presses

 

[basslover1]

Now, take this with a grain of salt, but over on reddit in r/guns there are a few dealers who are still in contact with their suppliers. One of them is saying that Federal will be able to fill all of their orders by early February. Which means that shelves should be stocked again by mid February.

I'm just hoping that there isn't a single Gov't ban on anything, and all those morons who hoarded guns starting last month, have to have a fire sale at cheaper than normal retail prices and I can finally pick up an AR-15.

 

[jpeyton]

Now, take this with a grain of salt, but over on reddit in r/guns there are a few dealers who are still in contact with their suppliers. One of them is saying that Federal will be able to fill all of their orders by early February. Which means that shelves should be stocked again by mid February.

I'm just hoping that there isn't a single Gov't ban on anything, and all those morons who hoarded guns starting last month, have to have a fire sale at cheaper than normal retail prices and I can finally pick up an AR-15.

This simply means it will be slightly easier to buy ammo at retail prices. It doesn't mean the market will return to normal.

Normal back in October was $6/box Federal XM193 every other week on sale, with normal retail prices being about $7/box.

When shelves get restocked later this month, the new normal will be $8/box XM193 with no need for sales (because the ammo will fly off the shelves at full price).

Be wary of stores that raised their prices during the panic, and don't give your business to gougers. One chain in my area, Fisherman's Marine, raised the price of XM193 to $14/box, while Walmart raised it to $8/box. Even if Fisherman's drops their prices back down in a month or two, I'll stick with Walmart. Similarly, Bi-Mart, another chain in my area, didn't raise prices at all, and I'll be giving them a lot of business in the future.

Kudos to MidwayUSA, AimSurplus, Ammoman, and Cabelas for not taking advantage of their customers during the shortage.

 

[velillen]

Now, take this with a grain of salt, but over on reddit in r/guns there are a few dealers who are still in contact with their suppliers. One of them is saying that Federal will be able to fill all of their orders by early February. Which means that shelves should be stocked again by mid February.

I'm just hoping that there isn't a single Gov't ban on anything, and all those morons who hoarded guns starting last month, have to have a fire sale at cheaper than normal retail prices and I can finally pick up an AR-15.

yeah right. Federal has been stock piling all their ammo for the last few months to release it all at once? No way they will just magically be fulfilling their supply demands in a matter of weeks. No way in hell, especially when EVERY store is out of ammo pretty much. That guys supplier is probably just the one getting a shipment from federal in early Feb meaning they get ammo. Doesnt mean crap for everyone else

AimSurplus.

They just get you on the shipping 🙂 I rarely order from them just cause fater shipping its cheaper to pay the higher prices locally. but still good on them for not jacking prices up.

Another is sgammo. They have been great and havent really raised prices, a bit but not to much. Freedom munitions is good too

Even with no ban there wont be a sudden fire sale on AR's, mags, or anything. Demand is still incredibly high. Itll take a few months at least for prices to come back down and that will mostly be once manufacturers are catching up with the demand and AR's/lowers/mags stay on the shelves for more than a day, then we might start seeing some of those hoarders selling off items.

 

[Jeeebus]

Kudos to MidwayUSA, AimSurplus, Ammoman, and Cabelas for not taking advantage of their customers during the shortage.

You had me until Cabelas. At least online, they raised the prices on most of their popular ammo by at least a few $$. I saw their crappy Herter's ammo go from $13/box to > $16/box overnight earlier in January, and that wasn't from a sale expiring.

 

[pontifex]

I don't get the ammo panic buying. Do people think ammo is going to be outlawed or something?

there was talk about it being heavily taxed too.

 

[pontifex]

You had me until Cabelas. At least online, they raised the prices on most of their popular ammo by at least a few $$. I saw their crappy Herter's ammo go from $13/box to > $16/box overnight earlier in January, and that wasn't from a sale expiring.

Cabela's is usually overpriced as it anyway.

 

[jpeyton]

You had me until Cabelas. At least online, they raised the prices on most of their popular ammo by at least a few $$. I saw their crappy Herter's ammo go from $13/box to > $16/box overnight earlier in January, and that wasn't from a sale expiring.

Which Herters caliber was that? I only buy their 7.62x39 Herters, and they shipped 3 cases to my door for $250 each, which was lower than SGAmmo, Ammoman and AIMSurplus.