YAEWWT - Yet another existing while white thread. AL pastor wants whites out

[Amused]

Are white people going to be okay? Should we start a GoFundMe or something?

And a GoFuckMe for the incels.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

People who were very literate started using "Spade" as code for black nearly 100 years ago. This isn't a word that is misunderstood and mistaken as something racist. This is something that was deliberately turned into something racist. To compare this to "niggardly" is false equivalency. The two have no comparison.

Geebus, chill. There are two things going on. Someone using code word but not everyone who uses the term "spade" is a racist. They might be and there's a good basis for not using it.

Then there are people who jump on words without considering meaning or intent and suddenly niggardly a racist word.

The comparison is in ignorance and literacy.

 

[realibrad]

That's a nice cherry you've picked there. Too bad the rest of the story is how "Spade" and "Call a spade a spade" was deliberately turned into racist code for black people nearly 100 years ago. You missed those cherries while you were picking. I've already posted the link many times that explains this from an unbiased source.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade

Fail.

You fully misunderstood what happened. The phrase uses a word that some might use as a racist term, but, that does not make the phrase racist. Space is the word that is racist, but the term is not.

From your NPR article...

So what does all of this mean for people who want to, well, "call a spade a spade"? I urge caution. Mieder concludes his case study with the argument that "to call a spade a spade" should be retired from modern usage: "Rather than taking the chance of unintentionally offending someone or of being misunderstood, it is best to relinquish the old innocuous proverbial expression all together."

The author fully understands that its an "old innocuous proverbial expression" but that idiots cannot tell the difference. What the author gets wrong is that we should relinquish it because someone might unintentionally get offended.

What is happening is dummies like you cant tell the difference and thus if it is associated in any way, no matter how convoluted, it becomes racist. Its idiots like you that turn everything racist.

 

[dank69]

You fully misunderstood what happened. The phrase uses a word that some might use as a racist term, but, that does not make the phrase racist. Space is the word that is racist, but the term is not.

From your NPR article...



The author fully understands that its an "old innocuous proverbial expression" but that idiots cannot tell the difference. What the author gets wrong is that we should relinquish it because someone might unintentionally get offended.

What is happening is dummies like you cant tell the difference and thus if it is associated in any way, no matter how convoluted, it becomes racist. Its idiots like you that turn everything racist.

I'd posit that it is probably impossible for anyone to tell the difference between someone using it in a non-racist manner or in a racist manner and thus the intelligent thing to do is just not use the phrase at all.

 

[realibrad]

I'd posit that it is probably impossible for anyone to tell the difference between someone using it in a non-racist manner or in a racist manner and thus the intelligent thing to do is just not use the phrase at all.

100%, no, but you could never know if someone was trying to say something coded.

If I called you an shoe washer, am I saying you make little money, or is it a veiled way of saying something racist?

How about... we accept that its a term used for over 400 years of not racist and not assume its racist? We have brains and we can use them to judge context.

 

[Amused]

You fully misunderstood what happened. The phrase uses a word that some might use as a racist term, but, that does not make the phrase racist. Space is the word that is racist, but the term is not.

From your NPR article...



The author fully understands that its an "old innocuous proverbial expression" but that idiots cannot tell the difference. What the author gets wrong is that we should relinquish it because someone might unintentionally get offended.

What is happening is dummies like you cant tell the difference and thus if it is associated in any way, no matter how convoluted, it becomes racist. Its idiots like you that turn everything racist.

What part of him actually using a racist term about blacks in the context of talking about blacks do you not understand??? He literally used it in precisely the way the term is used when racist.

Dude, you're trying to hard.

 

[dank69]

100%, no, but you could never know if someone was trying to say something coded.

If I called you an shoe washer, am I saying you make little money, or is it a veiled way of saying something racist?

How about, we accept that its a term used for over 400 years of not racist and not assume its racist. We have brains and we can use them to judge context.

The problem is that racists have conscripted these phrases and as such it becomes increasingly difficult to determine how someone is using each phrase. Many times the context is not even available. This opens the user up to accusations of racism even if none was intended. This is not the fault of elitist liberals or whatever. The blame lies solely with the racist community that corrupts the phrases.

 

[realibrad]

What part of him actually using a racist term about blacks in the context of talking about blacks do you not understand??? He literally used it in precisely the way the term is used when racist.

Dude, you're trying to hard.

Where was that done? I'm sure as shit not going to believe you considering how unhinged you often are. In this thread, the first person I see using the racist word is you. In fact, I see you using it over and over.

So feel free to point me to the thread so I can see how and where it was used.

 

[realibrad]

The problem is that racists have conscripted these phrases and as such it becomes increasingly difficult to determine how someone is using each phrase. Many times the context is not even available. This opens the user up to accusations of racism even if none was intended. This is not the fault of elitist liberals or whatever. The blame lies solely with the racist community that corrupts the phrases.

So, your idea is that we should stop using any word or phrase, or phrase that has a word that might be a code used by racists? Do you realize the absurd rabbi hole that would be?

 

[Amused]

Where was that done? I'm sure as shit not going to believe you considering how unhinged you often are. In this thread, the first person I see using the racist word is you. In fact, I see you using it over and over.

So feel free to point me to the thread so I can see how and where it was used.

The god damn quote with link was in the original post you replied to.

Can you really be this fucking stupid?

Furthermore, if you have no clue as to the context or situation at all for that matter, on what fucking basis are you even forming an opinion?

 

[Ventanni]

So, your idea is that we should stop using any word or phrase, or phrase that has a word that might be a code used by racists? Do you realize the absurd rabbi hole that would be?

Both of you and dank69 are both correct, actually, because that's how all language works. You are absolutely correct in pointing out the difference between a proverbial expression and the definition of a single word. However, he's also correct in the fact that the definition of a "spade" has changed over time. Idiots, like you said, won't know the difference, but that's part of what contributes to word changes in language, and why linguists will tell you that it's impossible for a word to survive for more than 10,000 years.

It also works both ways. The phrase, "To call a spade a spade," precedes the early 20th century corruption of associating a "spade" with a black person in a negative manner, and that corruption can just as easily be removed as it was added. To ask a fair and fascinating question, how might the definition of the n-word change if black culture stopped using it in everyday vernacular? Who knows, and we know that'll never happen, but that's part of how language evolves over time.

Now, back to the main article, I'm going to use the phrase the way it was meant 400 years ago and call a spade a spade. This isn't about racism. This is about a pastor using racism as a tool to prevent "competition" from entering his neighborhood. Nothing more, nothing less. He knows full well that a new church with big budget resources (and one that may actually bring results in his community) is going to draw parishioners away from his own, and that's a threat to his lifestyle.

The real fruit of any Christian church should be reflected in the surrounding community. If churches are doing their job correctly, you should see a higher level of ownership, personal accountability, and individual value.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Both of you and dank69 are both correct, actually, because that's how all language works. You are absolutely correct in pointing out the difference between a proverbial expression and the definition of a single word. However, he's also correct in the fact that the definition of a "spade" has changed over time. Idiots, like you said, won't know the difference, but that's part of what contributes to word changes in language, and why linguists will tell you that it's impossible for a word to survive for more than 10,000 years.

It also works both ways. The phrase, "To call a spade a spade," precedes the early 20th century corruption of associating a "spade" with a black person in a negative manner, and that corruption can just as easily be removed as it was added. To ask a fair and fascinating question, how might the definition of the n-word change if black culture stopped using it in everyday vernacular? Who knows, and we know that'll never happen, but that's part of how language evolves over time.

Now, back to the main article, I'm going to use the phrase the way it was meant 400 years ago and call a spade a spade. This isn't about racism. This is about a pastor using racism as a tool to prevent "competition" from entering his neighborhood. Nothing more, nothing less. He knows full well that a new church with big budget resources (and one that may actually bring results in his community) is going to draw parishioners away from his own, and that's a threat to his lifestyle.

The real fruit of any Christian church should be reflected in the surrounding community. If churches are doing their job correctly, you should see a higher level of ownership, personal accountability, and individual value.

Wait, you just made sense in a race thread. Is that allowed?

 

[realibrad]

The god damn quote with link was in the original post you replied to.

Can you really be this fucking stupid?

Furthermore, if you have no clue as to the context or situation at all for that matter, on what fucking basis are you even forming an opinion?

Here is the unhinged part. The only think that I see is a link to the NPR article. So, what thread are you talking about, as I do not see anything in this thread that you responded to me with, or a post with a thread that I responded to. If its there, just show me.

 

[Amused]

Here is the unhinged part. The only think that I see is a link to the NPR article. So, what thread are you talking about, as I do not see anything in this thread that you responded to me with, or a post with a thread that I responded to. If its there, just show me.

You being too fucking stupid to figure this out doesn't make me unhinged. It just makes you stupid.

OK, let me get some crayons.

In my original post with Ugly's quote is a little blue arrow that is a link to the original post.

At any rate, the quote is enough. Ugly is using "Spade" while talking about black people. Full stop.

 

[realibrad]

Both of you and dank69 are both correct, actually, because that's how all language works. You are absolutely correct in pointing out the difference between a proverbial expression and the definition of a single word. However, he's also correct in the fact that the definition of a "spade" has changed over time. Idiots, like you said, won't know the difference, but that's part of what contributes to word changes in language, and why linguists will tell you that it's impossible for a word to survive for more than 10,000 years.

I did not say that the user of Spade has not changed. I fully understand the shift in meanings over time. What Dank and others are trying to say is that the phrase becomes racist because a component can be used in a racist way. He also believes we should stop using the phrase because people cannot understand nuance, so better play it safe.

It also works both ways. The phrase, "To call a spade a spade," precedes the early 20th century corruption of associating a "spade" with a black person in a negative manner, and that corruption can just as easily be removed as it was added. To ask a fair and fascinating question, how might the definition of the n-word change if black culture stopped using it in everyday vernacular? Who knows, and we know that'll never happen, but that's part of how language evolves over time.

It is almost if literally limitless depending on the time you are looking at.

Now, back to the main article, I'm going to use the phrase the way it was meant 400 years ago and call a spade a spade. This isn't about racism. This is about a pastor using racism as a tool to prevent "competition" from entering his neighborhood. Nothing more, nothing less. He knows full well that a new church with big budget resources (and one that may actually bring results in his community) is going to draw parishioners away from his own, and that's a threat to his lifestyle.

Yep.

The real fruit of any Christian church should be reflected in the surrounding community. If churches are doing their job correctly, you should see a higher level of ownership, personal accountability, and individual value.

Only if you assume that is the Goal of Christianity, but that is a much longer and different discussion.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I know just how to visually tag this thread.

 

[realibrad]

You being too fucking stupid to figure this out doesn't make me unhinged. It just makes you stupid.

OK, let me get some crayons.

In my original post with Ugly's quote is a little blue arrow that is a link to the original post.

At any rate, the quote is enough. Ugly is using "Spade" while talking about black people. Full stop.

Wait, this is your proof that he used it in a racist way?

I’d disagree with that. The people on the right I talk to aren’t afraid of calling a racist white person a racist. They also aren’t afraid of calling a racist black persons one. Granted some don’t really give a shit that they are racist, but they aren’t afraid to call a spade a spade.

I just assumed it must have been a different quote because that one is not him using it in a racist way. That is him using it the way it was originally used.

So yeah, unhinged.

 

[Amused]

Wait, this is your proof that he used it in a racist way?



I just assumed it must have been a different quote because that one is not him using it in a racist way. That is him using it the way it was originally used.

So yeah, unhinged.

"Calling a spade a spade" when referring to black people is either intentionally racist, or woefully tone deaf and insensitive.

Either way, it's inexcusable.

But yeah, keep denying any and all racism exists and calling people who disagree with you crazy.

 

[brycejones]

I'm going to guess based on the tone of the replies that realibrad is at it again, gish galloping his way through a thread.

 

[realibrad]

"Calling a spade a spade" when referring to black people is either intentionally racist, or woefully tone deaf and insensitive.

Either way, it's inexcusable.

But yeah, keep denying any and all racism exists and calling people who disagree with you crazy.

Bullshit. It can clearly be used when talking about anyone, black or otherwise, and it not be racist. The post you linked to did not show any indication he was using it in a racist way, but, there is clearly context that he was using it in a non racist way. He literally says it in the context of using it black or white.

So no, not inexcusable.

As for calling you unhinged, it has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with you and my experiences with you.

 

[Amused]

Bullshit. It can clearly be used when talking about anyone, black or otherwise, and it not be racist. The post you linked to did not show any indication he was using it in a racist way, but, there is clearly context that he was using it in a non racist way. He literally says it in the context of using it black or white.

So no, not inexcusable.

As for calling you unhinged, it has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with you and my experiences with you.

So your argument is "nuh uh!"

Got it.

 

[WHAMPOM]

https://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2018/05/pastor_denounces_highlands_urb.html

A Birmingham pastor known for posting controversial church signs has targeted Alabama's largest church with a sign that says, "Black Folks Need to Stay Out of White Churches."

The Rev. Michael R. Jordan, pastor of New Era Baptist Church in Birmingham's West End, said the sign expresses his opposition to the Church of the Highlands starting a church in his neighborhood.

..
"It's a slavemaster church," Jordan said in an interview with AL.com. "I call it plantation religion, slavemaster religion. The white rich folks start a church and put a black pastor in charge of it."

#racialhealing 🙄

No doubt you think your hang nail should be considered as equal to a burst appendix. Do you feel shit upon when a bloody car accident victim gets priority care at the Emergency Room and your ingrown toe nail has to wait?

 

[realibrad]

So your argument is "nuh uh!"

Got it.

No, my argument is laid out. He did not use the phrase in a racist way. The phrase is not inherently racist. You trying to say it was used in a racist way is wrong. I gave the details for those, even if you cannot understand them.

So no, not got it.

 

[realibrad]

No doubt you think your hang nail should be considered as equal to a burst appendix. Do you feel shit upon when a bloody car accident victim gets priority care at the Emergency Room and your ingrown toe nail has to wait?

I think his point was that racism should be seen for the action, and not for the color of the person affected. Had the color of the people involved been flipped, it would have been all over the news (opinion), but, is not because the pastor is Black. He is not saying white people face as much racism as Black people.

 

[MrSquished]

Is this pastor a racist? I'm not sure. He is a bad example because he could just be being controversial to drum up attention and a hooplah. Obviously he is a douchebag.

If a regular black person says something like this though, are they racist? It depends.

Do they think the white race is inherently inferior, or has characteristics that make it inferior? Then that is racist.

Or is that person basically saying 'fuck the power'? In that case it is not racist.