- Jan 16, 2003
True, but the 2.6Ghz AMD was kicking the P4's butt during that time. It all does come down to architecture. I was a bit off on the transistor count, but yes, you got the gist.Originally posted by: Ares202
i dont think he was suggesting anything, he said that "They ARE lower quality" by saying this hes suggesting that he knows, therfore IMO he has to backup the statementOriginally posted by: keysplayr2003How is he supposed to prove an opinion? Because that's all it really is based on his own speculation
I may be wrong but Doesnt the rv770 have 900 million transistors and the G200 has 1.4b so its not double but i understand what you are saying id personally say its probably the architecture that it was designed greatly affects clock speed like when Intel was pushing 3.6ghz on there p4 chips @ 110nm and AMD could only manage 2.6ghz @ 90nmOriginally posted by: keysplayr2003I think that it is just that ATI releases it's GPU's at near it's max clocks right from the start, which could be why they run hot, and do not have much headroom without voltmods or water.Could "possibly" be the transistor design. I mean, a 55nm RV770 is pushing it's limits with stock voltage at around 800 to 825MHz. Meanwhile, with almost twice the transistors and on one manufacturing process higher (65nm), G200 can sit at 700MHz quite comfortably with stock voltages. So, perhaps something can be said for design. It's all speculation though.
Maybe that is why AMD won't offer lifetime warranties. Unsure of how long the cards will last at near top clock speeds at release. Visiontek does offer lifetime warranty AFAIK, so maybe they're the only ones willing to chance it, or they make their own boards? I don't know.