Xbox One and Forza's Shameless Micro transactions

[Wingznut]

If you don't have any issues that the most famous track in the world isn't in the game, then I just don't know what to say.

Sure, it is disappointing. But does it render the entire rest of the game completely unenjoyable? Nope.

 

[Wingznut]

This looks infinitely better anyway, and if they don't nickel and dime you to death, this will be where I go :

http://www.wmdportal.com/projects/cars/

"infinitely better"??? The game is at least a year away... There's no way to tell how it will be.

Well, you can dream about that vaporware for a while... I'll have a great time playing Forza tonight.

 

[SniperWulf]

If you don't have any issues that the most famous track in the world isn't in the game, then I just don't know what to say.

This, along with the $50 'season pass' BS, is enough to put the last nail in the coffin for my interest in Forza.

This looks infinitely better anyway, and if they don't nickel and dime you to death, this will be where I go :

http://www.wmdportal.com/projects/cars/

As a Forza diehard, I have to agree. This along with the things I've read about the microtransactions within the game have even killed any interest I had in even buying the system itself.

 

[cmdrdredd]

As a Forza diehard, I have to agree. This along with the things I've read about the microtransactions within the game have even killed any interest I had in even buying the system itself.

You don't have to buy the tokens! You can just earn credits like normal. I see absolutely nothing that makes me want to spend money on tokens either.

So complaining about microtransactions is pretty stupid here. It's not like DIablo 3 where they made it so that you never get drops and HAVE to buy them.

Forza 4 had a season pass for car packs as well. Where was everyone then? They were playing the game not going on forums to complain about DLC content.

If 200 cars isn't enough for you I don't know what to say. I highly doubt anyone uses them all.



Anytime someone comes on a forum and says "this is the last straw, now I refuse to buy this system" I have to call into question their desire to buy it in the first place. It comes off as someone looking for reassurance.

 

[exdeath]

Well, you can dream about that vaporware for a while... I'll have a great time playing Forza tonight.

You could say the same thing about people who have fun driving a real car and don't need to make pretend drive slower cars in a video game :awe:

 

[cmdrdredd]

You could say the same thing about people who have fun driving a real car and don't need to make pretend drive slower cars in a video game :awe:

Uh...yeah cause you drive a Formula One car and a McLaren F1 every day right?

 

[exdeath]

Uh...yeah cause you drive a Formula One car and a McLaren F1 every day right?

Hmm drive a realistic affordable car in my budget in real life that is just as fast or faster than a McLaren F1... (McLaren F1 is an 11 second car, not out of reach for MANY lesser cars)

or I can drive a beater mini van while pretending to drive a McLaren F1 in a video game and be like "my virtual car is better than your virtual car!" ...

Let me think about that...

:awe:

If racing games are your thing, fine, I just saw irony in someone chastising someone else over "getting to drive X car while you drool over vaporware" that's all heh.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Yeah well, try getting the chance to drive a Classic Ferrari around Indy and we'll start comparing games to real life.

Cause every game needs to be compared to real life and if someone likes a game they obviously have no real life.

 

[exdeath]

Yeah well, try getting the chance to drive a Classic Ferrari around Indy and we'll start comparing games to real life.

Cause every game needs to be compared to real life and if someone likes a game they obviously have no real life.

I just saw irony in someone chastising someone else over "getting to drive X car while you drool over vaporware" that's all heh.

^^^

 

[EightySix Four]

Hmm drive a realistic affordable car in my budget in real life that is just as fast or faster than a McLaren F1... (McLaren F1 is an 11 second car, not out of reach for MANY lesser cars)

or I can drive a beater mini van while pretending to drive a McLaren F1 in a video game and be like "my virtual car is better than your virtual car!" ...

Let me think about that...

:awe:

If racing games are your thing, fine, I just saw irony in someone chastising someone else over "getting to drive X car while you drool over vaporware" that's all heh.

Good thing we're not talking about a drag racing simulator and on a real track (with comparable tires) an F1 would crush your lipstick-on-a-Mustang toy . We're talking about playing video games (that's why this is the console gaming forum) and your car has nothing to do with any of that.

Back on topic, Turn10 has cut some of the "grind" this weekend and made cars half off. If you want something specific, now is the time to get it.

 

[Wingznut]

Hmm drive a realistic affordable car in my budget in real life that is just as fast or faster than a McLaren F1... (McLaren F1 is an 11 second car, not out of reach for MANY lesser cars)

or I can drive a beater mini van while pretending to drive a McLaren F1 in a video game and be like "my virtual car is better than your virtual car!" ...

Let me think about that...

:awe:

If racing games are your thing, fine, I just saw irony in someone chastising someone else over "getting to drive X car while you drool over vaporware" that's all heh.

Might want to re-read the post... I was comparing an actual game to a game that won't be available for at least a year.

And comparing a real car to a racing video game is a ridiculous analogy. It's like saying I own a football, so why would I buy Madden.

And yes, I've owned an 11 second drag race car before, and I currently own a very capable road track car now. Even still, I will never race in the same conditions that Forza (or any other racing game) emulates. Neither will you.

 

[smackababy]

Hmm drive a realistic affordable car in my budget in real life that is just as fast or faster than a McLaren F1... (McLaren F1 is an 11 second car, not out of reach for MANY lesser cars)

or I can drive a beater mini van while pretending to drive a McLaren F1 in a video game and be like "my virtual car is better than your virtual car!" ...

Let me think about that...

:awe:

If racing games are your thing, fine, I just saw irony in someone chastising someone else over "getting to drive X car while you drool over vaporware" that's all heh.

Best argument I've ever heard. "My affordable car is just as fast as a McLaren F1 in a very specific metric, therefore I can say it is as fast or faster! This Mustang is really extending my penis; can't you tell?"

Is your car also faster than an Enzo Ferrari? It only has a 1/4 mile time of just over 11s.

Put your car on a real track against a McLaren, you could even go against the cheap one (MP4-12C), and it will be laughably beaten.

 

[smackababy]

Even still, I will never race in the same conditions that Forza (or any other racing game) emulates. Neither will you.

This isn't exactly true. You can do track days and join leagues. There are some cheaper leagues that do club racing. BMW E30s is a really popular, "cheaper" club. Sadly, they are driving the prices of the E30 M3 to the point it isn't worth it.

 

[Wingznut]

This isn't exactly true. You can do track days and join leagues. There are some cheaper leagues that do club racing. BMW E30s is a really popular, "cheaper" club. Sadly, they are driving the prices of the E30 M3 to the point it isn't worth it.

Yeah, but track days and club racing is nowhere near the same thing as racing with 15 other supercars at 200mph. And yes, playing a video game is nowhere near the same thing as actually driving a car... Which is my point, all very different experiences.

 

[smackababy]

Considering I can open wheel race in Forza and the chance of that happening are about the same chances as winning the lottery, because that is basically the only way a normal person is going to have enough money to do it.

 

[Dumac]

Except, the game is designed like EVERY OTHER RACING GAME IN HISTORY.

The base concept are the same, but the values are tweaked to incentivize paid content more.

Which Forza doesn't do. The only thing they made "harder" was they removed the extremely cheap upgrades that were far too easy to get in Forza 4. It made upgrades completely trivial.

This article is nothing but FUD trying to drum up hits.

That isn't what a large number of venues are reporting. The same defense was made of PvZ2, yet it wasn't true in the slightest.

so don't buy the game period.

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if you don't like the trend, simply don't support it.

I don't, obviously. But I supplement not buying the games with complaints against this new anti-consumer business model online. You can't shut down discussion about the state of the industry with a simple "if you don't like it, don't buy it".

 

[KaOTiK]

I don't, obviously. But I supplement not buying the games with complaints against this new anti-consumer business model online. You can't shut down discussion about the state of the industry with a simple "if you don't like it, don't buy it".

Complaints are good and needed. If people didn't complain and just took the if you don't like it, don't buy it approach, the Xbone would have released in its original total FU to the consumer form.

Same argument with the original Xbone reveal as now with this micro transaction bs, if you don't nip it in the bud, it will just spread like crazy.

 

[smackababy]

The base concept are the same, but the values are tweaked to incentivize paid content more.



That isn't what a large number of venues are reporting. The same defense was made of PvZ2, yet it wasn't true in the slightest.

The cost of the cars is almost identical to Forza 4, which nobody cried about. Also, you don't even have to place first to get the max money from races. Simply getting 3rd will do in most of them.

 

[cmdrdredd]

The cost of the cars is almost identical to Forza 4, which nobody cried about. Also, you don't even have to place first to get the max money from races. Simply getting 3rd will do in most of them.

I noticed this too, you get gold status for getting 3rd and placing 6th sometimes gives you bronze.

The game really gives you money left and right but you do have to continue playing through it. What's even better is your drivatar will earn you money at the same time so when I come back to the game I have a couple thousand credits or more that I got for free.

 

[EightySix Four]

Also, you don't even have to place first to get the max money from races. Simply getting 3rd will do in most of them.

Yeah, they talked about this in their blog. They really want people to turn the drivatar level up to a point it is actually challenging instead of people just blowing through with it on easy. I like the idea.

 

[Staples]

It totally ruins the MP aspect of the game. I'd like to be on a level playing field as everyone else but if that means I need to fork out another $50 in addition to buying the game, then I'd rather just not buy the game.

This was the only launch game I was looking forward to but now after seeing how they decided to make this game really cost $100+ (guaranteeing that the game will NEVER fall below $50)., I am glad I didn't buy it nor an Xbone.

If this is the future of gaming, then I think I should pick up another hobby and drop gaming all together.

 

[EightySix Four]

It totally ruins the MP aspect of the game. I'd like to be on a level playing field as everyone else but if that means I need to fork out another $50 in addition to buying the game, then I'd rather just not buy the game.

This was the only launch game I was looking forward to but now after seeing how they decided to make this game really cost $100+ (guaranteeing that the game will NEVER fall below $50)., I am glad I didn't buy it nor an Xbone.

If this is the future of gaming, then I think I should pick up another hobby and drop gaming all together.

Out of curiosity, why does it ruin MP?

 

[cmdrdredd]

It totally ruins the MP aspect of the game. I'd like to be on a level playing field as everyone else but if that means I need to fork out another $50 in addition to buying the game, then I'd rather just not buy the game.

This was the only launch game I was looking forward to but now after seeing how they decided to make this game really cost $100+ (guaranteeing that the game will NEVER fall below $50)., I am glad I didn't buy it nor an Xbone.

If this is the future of gaming, then I think I should pick up another hobby and drop gaming all together.

All you have to do is limit the performance of the vehicle. If you race A class nobody can run with the Lotus F1 car. The game is as even if you want. If it's open class and you try racing with a Ford Fiesta that's your fault.

Again this is an example of someone coming into a thread or forum and saying "I'm glad I didn't buy one." and I begin to doubt whether this person even wanted or had intentions of buying the console or the game. The game doesn't cost anything more than $60. None of the DLC cars are vastly superior to anything you get in the base game.

 

[smackababy]

It totally ruins the MP aspect of the game. I'd like to be on a level playing field as everyone else but if that means I need to fork out another $50 in addition to buying the game, then I'd rather just not buy the game.

This was the only launch game I was looking forward to but now after seeing how they decided to make this game really cost $100+ (guaranteeing that the game will NEVER fall below $50)., I am glad I didn't buy it nor an Xbone.

If this is the future of gaming, then I think I should pick up another hobby and drop gaming all together.

What are you talking about? DLC has nothing to do with the balance. A DLC B class car isn't going to be significantly faster than any other B class car.

It sounds to me like you're trying to justify not buying it.

 

[Staples]

What are you talking about? DLC has nothing to do with the balance. A DLC B class car isn't going to be significantly faster than any other B class car.

It sounds to me like you're trying to justify not buying it.

I have not played the game but all the fuss I have read makes it sound like it is something that breaks the game. So I am assuming that is the case. I am sure you have heard of the pay to win model and from a lot of the arguments, I was under the impression that this game weighed heavily on that model when playing online with someone who payed for all the cars.

If what you say is true, then I think a lot of people are making a mountain out of an ant hill.