[Xbit] Nvidia: GeForce "Kepler" Graphics Processors Will Be Unbeatable.

[smoka]

March 6th for Pitcairn, so next week.

Last I heard the 7800 series was supposed to launch this month, on March 6th. It'll be launched very soon.

Are you sure this will be the actual RTW date or is that when AMD is unveiling the specs?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I care

Hold on, I need to go refuel the generator, these 470s consume gigawatts.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Lol, what a worthless statement... AMD could have said the exact same for the 7970, since it leaves the competition in the dust

All this hype seems really fishy...

 

[AnandThenMan]

All this hype seems really fishy...

Why be surprised? Remember the FX promising to usher in "The Dawn of Cinematic Computing" with Toy Story like graphics? Nvidia knows how to hype a product.

 

[smoka]

Lol, what a worthless statement... AMD could have said the exact same for the 7970, since it leaves the competition in the dust

All this hype seems really fishy...

Really?? Not according to Passmark But then again, that puts the GTX580 ahead of the GTX590!!

Also, Anandtech Benchmarks show the 590 well ahead of the 7970 in most game benchmarks (although also higher in temperature and noise levels).

 

[MrK6]

Why be surprised? Remember the FX promising to usher in "The Dawn of Cinematic Computing" with Toy Story like graphics? Nvidia knows how to hype a product.

Since all NVIDIA regularly has is hype, it's no wonder they got good at it.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Ohhhhh he did that!

 

[Grooveriding]

Ohhhhh he did that!

Nice edit, good to know how way out there you are.


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[Absolute0]

Why be surprised? Remember the FX promising to usher in "The Dawn of Cinematic Computing" with Toy Story like graphics? Nvidia knows how to hype a product.

Reminder of Geforce FX days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Nice edit, good to know how way out there you are.

Yeah I'm in left field over here, I can barely see you standing outside the park. :thumbsup:


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[Grooveriding]

Swing and a miss. :sneaky:


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[BallaTheFeared]

You don't bat from left field silly.


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[Dark Shroud]

Title: Nvidia might be faster than AMD, like they were last gen, and the gen before that, and the gen before that, and the gen before that.

Response: Rage!!!!!!!!

Yes as long as you ignore the HD 5970 and the HD 6990 while counting the GTX 295 it seems.

AMD has plenty of head room for a super over clocked 7970/7990 and they still haven't released a 7990/7970 x2.

 

[toyota]

Yes as long as you ignore the HD 5970 and the HD 6990 while counting the GTX 295 it seems.

AMD has plenty of head room for a super over clocked 7970/7990 and they still haven't released a 7990/7970 x2.

even if AMD released a 20% faster card than the 7970 that would still only mean 40-45% faster than a gtx580. do you actually think Nvidia is going to be less than 40% faster than the gtx580 for their fastest single gpu card? I am guessing even the gtx670 could be 40% faster than the gtx580. well at least what was originally planned to be the gtx670 certainly was.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I never really accounted for the dual cards admittedly, they so niche it's almost like a marketing ploy within itself allowing two lesser gpus to take a "single gpu" performance crown for a generation.

6990 vs 590 was more of a tie, AMD had the advantage of lower AF quality and of course who can forget AMD "optimized" tessellation.

AMD left the headroom because wattage increases at a very fast rate when overclocked with voltage. [H] reviewed one at 1300MHz and it was drawing over 400 watts in actual gaming, and that isn't total system draw.

As much flack as Fermi got it's clear why AMD decided not to push the clocks as the stock wattage is already close 220, an increase of around 50% core clocks + ram oc results an a near 100% increase in power draw.

All that said this is all really OT. This thread isn't about AMD vs Nvidia, or anything AMD. I'd really appreciate it if you guys took this flame war to one of the other countless threads where the very same war is simultaneously occurring as we speak.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

even if AMD released a 20% faster card than the 7970 that would still only mean 40-45% faster than a gtx580. do you actually think Nvidia is going to be less than 40% faster than the gtx580 for their fastest single gpu card? I am guessing even the gtx670 could be 40% faster than the gtx580. well at least what was originally planned to be the gtx670 certainly was.

Except you 'conveniently' forgot that what NVIDIA will be bringing to this fight is GK104, not GK110. That means the 50-60% speedup we see each generation + new process will not be in play here. So no, them launching a card in April that will be 50-60% faster on average than the GTX 580 will almost certainly prove impossible. The GTX 680, at the very most, will be 15% faster than the HD 7970, a card 20% faster than the GTX 580.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Except you 'conveniently' forgot that what NVIDIA will be bringing to this fight is GK104, not GK110. That means the 50-60% speedup we see each generation + new process will not be in play here. So no, them launching a card in April that will be 50-60% faster on average than the GTX 580 will almost certainly prove impossible. The GTX 680, at the very most, will be 15% faster than the HD 7970, a card 20% faster than the GTX 580.

Honestly LOL your predictions have zero merit, in fact after your constant bulldozer pandering on OCN I'm sure you'll understand why nobody else would take anything you say seriously.

I'm saying Bulldozer, since it'll obviously have higher IPC than Phenom II and since you said it won't match Sandy Bridge in gaming.

Even if Bulldozer matches Nehalem in IPC, we're looking at a difference of 5 FPS or so in games. Hardly what you'd call "world-changing".

http://www.overclock.net/t/1023310/bulldozer-questions-from-an-intel-user/0_100#post_13637445


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[toyota]

Except you 'conveniently' forgot that what NVIDIA will be bringing to this fight is GK104, not GK110. That means the 50-60% speedup we see each generation + new process will not be in play here. So no, them launching a card in April that will be 50-60% faster on average than the GTX 580 will almost certainly prove impossible. The GTX 680, at the very most, will be 15% faster than the HD 7970, a card 20% faster than the GTX 580.

I did not forget at all. in fact I thought I made it clear by saying their "fastest single gpu card" and "well at least what was originally planned to be the gtx670 certainly was."

in case you still have trouble comprehending that, it means the GK104 will not be their fastest single gpu card and was likely originally slated to be a gtx660 not a gtx670 or gtx680.

 

[Keysplayr]

I think what really needs to be said, but nobody is saying it (til now) is that many really just "hope" that it's all just hype. Many don't, and some just don't care. And I think we can all see what the other thinks by now.
I for one hope Kepler (GK104) absolutely slaughters 7970 for less money. Will that happen? I certainly hope so but I doubt it.

 

[sandorski]

Truth is, no one knows anything either way. Outside of some internal guys at Nvidia though, possibly.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Honestly LOL your predictions have zero merit, in fact after your constant bulldozer pandering on OCN I'm sure you'll understand why nobody else would take anything you say seriously.



http://www.overclock.net/t/1023310/bulldozer-questions-from-an-intel-user/0_100#post_13637445

Only because this wise guy lied to everyone and said "IPC will be higher" and because of the rumored initial pricing (putting it at $320). When I saw the prices that were quoted nearing the launch (under $250), the overclocking record from AMD, etc., I said it was because it would only be good at MT and if it did have higher IPC than Stars it would be extremely minimal.

Also, bringing up old things doesn't help your cause much. By that time I still had some hope for AMD's CPU engineering department, but some time later I realized they're probably lazy and incompetent fools--hence why I have no AMD systems now. The only reason why I expected Bulldozer to be better was because JF-AMD fooled us all by saying "IPC will increase".

And I have been pretty good regarding knowing how a new product will do (see Sandy Bridge-E).

If you actually think GK104 will be 50-60% faster than GF110 you're being completely foolish. GK110 is the one that's supposed to bring a speedup of that magnitude.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I did not forget at all. in fact I thought I made it clear by saying their "fastest single gpu card" and "well at least what was originally planned to be the gtx670 certainly was."

in case you still have trouble comprehending that, it means the GK104 will not be their fastest single gpu card and was likely originally slated to be a gtx660 not a gtx670 or gtx680.

And your point is? GK110 products won't launch until Q3 or Q4 2012. The HD 6970 was replaced as AMD's flagship video card in only one year or a year and a month, depending on if you're looking at the paper or hard launch. What makes you think that AMD can't do the same thing again and in Q4 2012 release the HD 8970 as their new flagship graphics card along with the rest of the series?

 

[AnandThenMan]

I think what really needs to be said, but nobody is saying it (til now) is that many really just "hope" that it's all just hype. Many don't, and some just don't care. And I think we can all see what the other thinks by now.
I for one hope Kepler (GK104) absolutely slaughters 7970 for less money. Will that happen? I certainly hope so but I doubt it.

Are you hoping that whatever AMD releases as a refresh to Tahiti absolutely slaughters Nvidia's flagship?

 

[toyota]

And your point is? GK110 products won't launch until Q3 or Q4 2012. The HD 6970 was replaced as AMD's flagship video card in only one year or a year and a month, depending on if you're looking at the paper or hard launch. What makes you think that AMD can't do the same thing again and in Q4 2012 release the HD 8970 as their new flagship graphics card along with the rest of the series?

my point was already made. I was saying that Nvidias top single gpu would easily be faster than just 40-45% over the gtx580 so just a faster clocked 7970 card would not do. heck maybe even the gk104 is that fast as we do not know. of course both companies can go back forth and come out with new cards but that does not change my point.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

my point was already made. I was saying that Nvidias top single gpu would easily be faster than just 40% over the gtx580. heck maybe even the gk104 is that fast as we do not know. of course both companies can go back forth but that does not change my point.

Not if you're talking the 600 series. 700 series and GK110, sure.

Yes, we do. No, GK104 will not be 50% (or more) faster than GF110 on average.

Now, obviously it WILL be faster than GF110, just not by a huge amount. That also means that IF it is faster than Tahiti, by extension it will not be by a very significant amount (as in 25%+) faster.