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CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: Drayvn
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
its gateway screwing you, not ati

no, it ati. they've not only screwed their customers, but they've screwed their dists and oem's as well. that places such as gateway and cdw were supposed to receive cards and didn't is the full responsibility of ati.

Yea but those companies u stated were selling the XTs to low in price and so they werent gonna get anything from them when they sold em and so thats why they cancelled it, i thought that was widely known and was reported and thats why the statement from CDW said the XTs were cancelled also which everyone found out was a lie...

but that's irrelevant.. ati makes a commitment to fill orders to company X for XXXXXX.XX dollars. ati needs to honor that commitment, regardless of what company X sells them for. to think that this was over what the price was is ludicrous, there simply were not enough cards (for whatever reason) to fill the orders, and that's not the distributer's fault; the responsibility rests solely with ati.

there's also talk of many partners/oem's being upset as ati filled some orders while not filling others (and even that they hoarded some for themselves), and the general inability to provide them with enough product.

while monetarily the high end market is insignificant, it's disproportionately signficant in terms of image. from a pr/marketing/image standpoint ati did indeed get caught with their pants down. it's not a good situation at all, and the fact ati has remained silent on this matter does nothing to improve their already degrading image.
 

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
Actually, the X800XT is available for purcahse....from ZipZoomFly

If of course you're willing to shell out $800 clams for it.

Man...SLI 6800GTs are looking better all the time :)

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=324503

NewEgg had the same card in stock yesterday for $600. The in-stock notice went out at 1:48PM and they were gone by 2:12PM. They probably only had 4.
 

CaiNaM

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you know.. i like my PRO, and i had an xt on order for some time, but why on earth anyone would be willing to be gouged just for the priveldige of having one is beyond me. it' certianly isn't $250-450 "faster" than my PRO or GT....
 

sharkeeper

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NewEgg had the same card in stock yesterday for $600. The in-stock notice went out at 1:48PM and they were gone by 2:12PM. They probably only had 4.

That's ludicrous when you can walk into Best Buy and buy it now for $499 plus tax.

Cheers!
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: sharkeeper
NewEgg had the same card in stock yesterday for $600. The in-stock notice went out at 1:48PM and they were gone by 2:12PM. They probably only had 4.

That's ludicrous when you can walk into Best Buy and buy it now for $499 plus tax.

Cheers!

except you can't....
 

Drayvn

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In fact, the GT and Pro over in the UK are in abundance, u can get them left right and center, the Ultras are now starting to fill the stocks, but u still can get XTs, just not that much, and earlier today, one company had 100 Powercolours in, and they all sold within the first 15 minutes. And that 100 should be added ontop of about 200 backorders.

So the XT's seem to be rolling in now more than before, i dont know how it is for other ppl, but we are seeing XT's being in stock now...
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: sharkeeper
except you can't....

Looks like I'll have to take a picture of the box and receipt. LOL reminds me of the guy that bought D3 early and nobody believed him!

Cheers!

nope, i could care less if you have a reciept or not.. as it's not a matter of whether i believe you or not. but hey, since you can, would you go pick me up one right now? i'll pay shipping & kick in $50 for your trouble! what? you can't? what a surprise... ;roll;

while there are certainly exceptions to everything, the sad fact is the chances of you walking into a store and picking one up is about as likely as winning the lotto.. regardless of whether you were lucky or not, as a rule, people can't just walk in and get one at this time.
 

sharkeeper

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nope, i could care less if you have a reciept or not.. as it's not a matter of whether i believe you or not. so while there are certainly exceptions to everything, the sad fact is the chances of you walking into a store and picking one up is about as likely as winning the lotto..

can you go in and pick up another? i certainly would, you could make a couple hundred on ebay with it... regardless of whether you were lucky or not, as a rule, people can't just walk in and get one at this time.

Yes the store had three on the shelf, and two after I left. I could have bought three and sold the other two for profit however the days of these cards bringing in $300 over MSRP on ebay is ending faster than you can say seven day auction. Prices are going to tank on ebay soon as supplies come up.

I was planning to ebay the card *if* I didn't like it or it didn't work, however.



If it wasn't for this thread I would have never known about this as I don't keep tabs on store inventories.

Cheers!
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: sharkeeper
nope, i could care less if you have a reciept or not.. as it's not a matter of whether i believe you or not. so while there are certainly exceptions to everything, the sad fact is the chances of you walking into a store and picking one up is about as likely as winning the lotto..

can you go in and pick up another? i certainly would, you could make a couple hundred on ebay with it... regardless of whether you were lucky or not, as a rule, people can't just walk in and get one at this time.

Yes the store had three on the shelf, and two after I left. I could have bought three and sold the other two for profit however the days of these cards bringing in $300 over MSRP on ebay is ending faster than you can say seven day auction. Prices are going to tank on ebay soon as supplies come up.

I was planning to ebay the card *if* I didn't like it or it didn't work, however.



If it wasn't for this thread I would have never known about this as I don't keep tabs on store inventories.

Cheers!

yea, i've followed that thread.. my favorite was the the BB employee didn't even know what an x800 was ;p. again, if you followed the thread. you'd see most everyone there has visited multiple stores all over the east coast, many of which haven't even had the PRO.

i'd certainly hope this is a sign of something (and may explain why partners are pissed off about ati keeping the cards for themselves), but until i see this in more than a couple places across the country, i still consider it a fluke.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: Drayvn
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
its gateway screwing you, not ati

no, it ati. they've not only screwed their customers, but they've screwed their dists and oem's as well. that places such as gateway and cdw were supposed to receive cards and didn't is the full responsibility of ati.

Yea but those companies u stated were selling the XTs to low in price and so they werent gonna get anything from them when they sold em and so thats why they cancelled it, i thought that was widely known and was reported and thats why the statement from CDW said the XTs were cancelled also which everyone found out was a lie...

but that's irrelevant.. ati makes a commitment to fill orders to company X for XXXXXX.XX dollars. ati needs to honor that commitment, regardless of what company X sells them for. to think that this was over what the price was is ludicrous, there simply were not enough cards (for whatever reason) to fill the orders, and that's not the distributer's fault; the responsibility rests solely with ati.


lol, if ati made such a commitment they would be legaly obligated to fill it, so obviously there is more to the story than that.
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: Drayvn
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
its gateway screwing you, not ati

no, it ati. they've not only screwed their customers, but they've screwed their dists and oem's as well. that places such as gateway and cdw were supposed to receive cards and didn't is the full responsibility of ati.

Yea but those companies u stated were selling the XTs to low in price and so they werent gonna get anything from them when they sold em and so thats why they cancelled it, i thought that was widely known and was reported and thats why the statement from CDW said the XTs were cancelled also which everyone found out was a lie...

but that's irrelevant.. ati makes a commitment to fill orders to company X for XXXXXX.XX dollars. ati needs to honor that commitment, regardless of what company X sells them for. to think that this was over what the price was is ludicrous, there simply were not enough cards (for whatever reason) to fill the orders, and that's not the distributer's fault; the responsibility rests solely with ati.

lol, if ati made such a commitment they would be legaly obligated to fill it, so obviously there is more to the story than that.

has nothing to do with 'legal'. i could make all kinds of promises, and break them all. while not illegal, it doesn't change the fact it's wrong, nor does it lessen responsbility...

if i tell so and so i can deliver 100 crumpets on sat, and he places and add for a crumpet sale, and i don't deliver.. well, i didn't do anything illegal, and the crumpet store owner is certainly the one who looks bad trying to explain to a long line of customers expecting crumpets that someone didn't deliver, but it was still ultimately my fault for not fulfilling what i promised, isn't it?

if you're gonna take the time to jump me, at least have a point.
 

Keysplayr

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Well, there is a difference between a contract, and clauses therein, and a promise. I don't know how many large businesses do there business based on promises (not counting marketing mutants). If I was purchasing 100,000 video chips/GPU's from nv/ati/intel/matrox, I would most likely want a commitment from them in writing to make sure they follow through with it. I would not accept a "promise" when dealing with such large quantities. I really don't accept any type of promises no matter how small the business transaction is. And, we really don't know the specifics or arrangements the likes of Gateway, CompUSA, BB has with these chipmakers. So, it's unsafe to assume what they do.

The only thing we do know is: THERE IS A HUGE A$$ SHORTAGE OF CURRENT GEN VIDEO CARDS. :)
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, there is a difference between a contract, and clauses therein, and a promise. I don't know how many large businesses do there business based on promises (not counting marketing mutants). If I was purchasing 100,000 video chips/GPU's from nv/ati/intel/matrox, I would most likely want a commitment from them in writing to make sure they follow through with it. I would not accept a "promise" when dealing with such large quantities. I really don't accept any type of promises no matter how small the business transaction is. And, we really don't know the specifics or arrangements the likes of Gateway, CompUSA, BB has with these chipmakers. So, it's unsafe to assume what they do.

The only thing we do know is: THERE IS A HUGE A$$ SHORTAGE OF CURRENT GEN VIDEO CARDS. :)




Actually, the NV4Xs are pretty easy to find now, even the Ultras. Now, the Ultra's are having the crap gouged out of them, but at least they're out there...

6800GT and 6800NU are available wide. X800Pro is available wide. X800XTPE and the supposed X800SE (6800NU's competition) are almost nonexistant.

Hopefully this will change soon, and shelves will be rich with everything from everyone...
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM

has nothing to do with 'legal'. i could make all kinds of promises, and break them all. while not illegal, it doesn't change the fact it's wrong, nor does it lessen responsbility...

if i tell so and so i can deliver 100 crumpets on sat, and he places and add for a crumpet sale, and i don't deliver.. well, i didn't do anything illegal, and the crumpet store owner is certainly the one who looks bad trying to explain to a long line of customers expecting crumpets that someone didn't deliver, but it was still ultimately my fault for not fulfilling what i promised, isn't it?

if you're gonna take the time to jump me, at least have a point.

i wasn't trying to jump at you, just pointing out an error in your logic. as keysplayr pointed out, commitments between large companies involving large sums of money are done by contract; and contracts have everything to do with 'legal'.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Insomniak




Actually, the NV4Xs are pretty easy to find now, even the Ultras. Now, the Ultra's are having the crap gouged out of them, but at least they're out there...

6800GT and 6800NU are available wide. X800Pro is available wide. X800XTPE and the supposed X800SE (6800NU's competition) are almost nonexistant.

Hopefully this will change soon, and shelves will be rich with everything from everyone...

well you can get an xt-pe today too if you don't mind haveing getting gouged for it. as for the x800se, those have been avalable for quite some time though system builders, and it will likely contenue to be that way as they were never intended to be a retail product.
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well, there is a difference between a contract, and clauses therein, and a promise. I don't know how many large businesses do there business based on promises (not counting marketing mutants). If I was purchasing 100,000 video chips/GPU's from nv/ati/intel/matrox, I would most likely want a commitment from them in writing to make sure they follow through with it. I would not accept a "promise" when dealing with such large quantities. I really don't accept any type of promises no matter how small the business transaction is. And, we really don't know the specifics or arrangements the likes of Gateway, CompUSA, BB has with these chipmakers. So, it's unsafe to assume what they do.

The only thing we do know is: THERE IS A HUGE A$$ SHORTAGE OF CURRENT GEN VIDEO CARDS. :)

typically the only reason there would be anything contractual is if the product was prepaid.

look at it this way, you talk to a sales rep, and he says if you order you can have such and such deliverd at such and such a date... but then he doesn't fulfill the order. are you at fault or the guy you ordered from?

it's not as if all the press releases didn't say the xt would be avail in may....

there's been rumors (unsubstantiated) that a shortage of DDR is a reason for the lack of product, in which case you couldn't really blame ati, but if that's the case, why hasn't there been any comments thru official channels?

and what's the ati pr guy mean by, "we cannot confirm at this time the xtpe has not been cancelled?" this certainly flies in the face of another statement by ati which denies this allegation. i tell ya, i'm not sure how you would think ati doesn't look bad here...
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: CaiNaM

has nothing to do with 'legal'. i could make all kinds of promises, and break them all. while not illegal, it doesn't change the fact it's wrong, nor does it lessen responsbility...

if i tell so and so i can deliver 100 crumpets on sat, and he places and add for a crumpet sale, and i don't deliver.. well, i didn't do anything illegal, and the crumpet store owner is certainly the one who looks bad trying to explain to a long line of customers expecting crumpets that someone didn't deliver, but it was still ultimately my fault for not fulfilling what i promised, isn't it?

if you're gonna take the time to jump me, at least have a point.

i wasn't trying to jump at you, just pointing out an error in your logic. as keysplayr pointed out, commitments between large companies involving large sums of money are done by contract; and contracts have everything to do with 'legal'.

see my above reply.

again, the presence (or lack of) a contract does not automatically make something 'right'... and rarely is there anything but a verbal agreement unless products are pre-paid in advance.
 

Insomniak

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Insomniak




Actually, the NV4Xs are pretty easy to find now, even the Ultras. Now, the Ultra's are having the crap gouged out of them, but at least they're out there...

6800GT and 6800NU are available wide. X800Pro is available wide. X800XTPE and the supposed X800SE (6800NU's competition) are almost nonexistant.

Hopefully this will change soon, and shelves will be rich with everything from everyone...

well you can get an xt-pe today too if you don't mind haveing getting gouged for it. as for the x800se, those have been avalable for quite some time though system builders, and it will likely contenue to be that way as they were never intended to be a retail product.


Yeah, you can find 6800Us ungouged (or rather, minorly gouged). But regardless of gouging, more 6800Us can be found (or found more easily, anyway) than X800XTPE's.

Frankly though, neither manufacturer would have what I called a good launch. The cards have only become what I would call "obtainable" in the past month or so...

Launched in April so...12 weeks after the paper, we're finally getting the silicon. Not impressive. I think the best launch in history was probably the 9700Pro, which was on shelves the day it was announced.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: CaiNaM
see my above reply.

again, the presence (or lack of) a contract does not automatically make something 'right'... and rarely is there anything but a verbal agreement unless products are pre-paid in advance.

lol, see my post where i point out that it is completely absurd to assume that large companies dealing with large sums of money do so by verbal argeement.
 

CaiNaM

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
see my above reply.

again, the presence (or lack of) a contract does not automatically make something 'right'... and rarely is there anything but a verbal agreement unless products are pre-paid in advance.

lol, see my post where i point out that it is completely absurd to assume that large companies dealing with large sums of money do so by verbal argeement.

and?

we buy volume stuff all the time (doubtful on the level of gateway), and place orders based on nothing other than the sales reps promise to deliver.

it's your logic which is lacking, not mine.
 

kylebisme

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seriously, do you buy "volume stuff all the time" at anywhere near level of what transpires between between graphics card manufactures and major oems; or are you just talking out your ass? do you realize when ati brags in their press releases about wining contracts with major oems like dell and gateway; they are talking about acutual, physical, legaly-binding, contracts? or are you a moron?